Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

[jc456]

If a state has strict control and is right next to a state with lax gun control, then it is no problem for someone in the strict state to smuggle in guns across state lines if they have the desire to do so.

That's why I also provided the figures for nations. If we had a nationwide gun ban, our homicide rate would plummet.

This a simple, undeniable fact. And yet the tards have been dishonestly lied to about this, and they blindly parrot total nonsense that conflicts with reality.


The gun control question ultimately comes down to two realities from which we must choose.

Do we want to have a homicide rate much higher than other developed nations and greater liberty than other developed nations, or do we want less liberty and less homicides?

but that doesn't work because of NY and it's surrounding states. blows up your argument. try again.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder was higher in 2001 than it was in 1996

 

[g5000]

UK. You see a spike, and then a plunge.

 

[Chuz Life]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Oh look, a proabort leftard trying to convince others to care more about, Life.

 

[jc456]

The Left's ultimate aim, which not even their rubes have yet realized, is a total gun ban. A repeal of the Second Amendment.

The NRA knows this, and that is why they resist even the most common sense actions to keep guns out of the hands of whackjobs. They have forced themselves into a corner from which they emit ridiculous and dishonest claims, all in the name of preventing the ultimate goal of the Left.

They say shootings like the one in Texas are a "mental health issue", and yet when a law is proposed to keep guns out of the hands of mentally diminished or deranged people, they balk!

And they deny the reality that guns kill more people every day than ISIS-inspired whackjobs kill all year.

They deny the reality that a total gun ban would reduce all homicides in America.

The great thing about America is that the truth always ultimately wins out. But first, a lot of innocents have to die.

and they will always balk. you are correct. I can join you on that one. On that however, they know the slippery slope rule of law, and will fight tooth and nail against that rule.

 

[Skull Pilot]

UK. You see a spike, and then a plunge.

Gee how come the rate doubled between 1999 and 2003?

I thought gun laws lowered murder rates

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

My Constitutional rights.

 

[g5000]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

 

[g5000]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

 

[Skull Pilot]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

In fact our murder rate is as low as it was 60 years ago without passing gun laws that include confiscation.

SO explain that because it's obvious to anyone with a brain that something other than simply gun laws has resulted in the dropping murder rates.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

What about the murder rate?

Oh yeah that went up between 1996 and 2001 didn't it?

I thought guns laws lowered the murder rate.

 

[g5000]

The Lefties love to point to Australia, where they point to a graph that shows how firearm homicides have been reduced since 1997, but they sorta leave out one important distinction: there was a 2016 American Medical Association (AMA) study, which examined trends in firearm homicides and suicides before and after the adoption of gun control in Australia in 1996. The authors found no evidence of a statistically significant effect of gun control on the pre-existing downward trend of the firearm homicide rate.

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The authors of the AMA study did find that the decline in firearm suicide rates accelerated in the wake of gun control, but concluded that “it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms” because the “decline in total non-firearm suicide and homicide deaths were of greater magnitude.”

In other words, since non-firearm suicide rates were reduced to an even greater extent than firearm suicide rates in the wake of gun control, one cannot firmly conclude that gun control is the reason firearm suicide rates fell.

 

[jc456]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

your chart shows both countries declining in the same periods and a little growth in the same period. I'm just reading what you just posted.

 

[g5000]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

What about the murder rate?

Oh yeah that went up between 1996 and 2001 didn't it?

I thought guns laws lowered the murder rate.

Why do you think the people lying to you don't mention what happend after the 2001 spike?

It should have been a GIANT clue they don't tell you what's been happening FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS.

 

[g5000]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

your chart shows both countries declining in the same periods and a little growth in the same period. I'm just reading what you just posted.

It shows the gap widening, retard.

So one country's firearm homicide rate dropped FASTER than the other.

Jesus, you tards can't even understand a simple chart!

 

[Skull Pilot]

The Lefties love to point to Australia, where they point to a graph that shows how firearm homicides have been reduced since 1997, but they sorta leave out one important distinction: there was a 2016 American Medical Association (AMA) study, which examined trends in firearm homicides and suicides before and after the adoption of gun control in Australia in 1996. The authors found no evidence of a statistically significant effect of gun control on the pre-existing downward trend of the firearm homicide rate.

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The authors of the AMA study did find that the decline in firearm suicide rates accelerated in the wake of gun control, but concluded that “it is not possible to determine whether the change in firearm deaths can be attributed to the gun law reforms” because the “decline in total non-firearm suicide and homicide deaths were of greater magnitude.”

In other words, since non-firearm suicide rates were reduced to an even greater extent than firearm suicide rates in the wake of gun control, one cannot firmly conclude that gun control is the reason firearm suicide rates fell.

Our murder rate has followed a similar decline over the same time period.

Explain that.

Our murder rate is as low as it was 60 years ago how can that happen if we haven't confiscated guns?

 

[jc456]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

What about the murder rate?

Oh yeah that went up between 1996 and 2001 didn't it?

I thought guns laws lowered the murder rate.

Why do you think the people lying to you don't mention what happend after the 2001 spike?

It should have been a GIANT clue they don't tell you what's been happening FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS.

again, what is it you're showing here exactly?

 

[jc456]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

your chart shows both countries declining in the same periods and a little growth in the same period. I'm just reading what you just posted.

It shows the gap widening, retard.

So one country's firearm homicide rate dropped FASTER than the other.

Jesus, you tards can't even understand a simple chart!

by how much? statistically speaking you're reaching.

 

[g5000]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

your chart shows both countries declining in the same periods and a little growth in the same period. I'm just reading what you just posted.

It shows the gap widening, retard.

So one country's firearm homicide rate dropped FASTER than the other.

Jesus, you tards can't even understand a simple chart!

But the total murder rate went up.

Our murder rate had gone down since the 1990's just like Austrlia's

We did not pass gun confiscation laws

explain that