Which is more important to you, human life or your guns?

[jc456]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

statistically insignificant again. again you're arguing a losing point.

 

[g5000]

Our murder rate is right about where it was in 2000.

 

[jc456]

Our murder rate is right about where it was in 2000.

1970 was the beginning of the conceal and carry laws, and the murder rate went down, thanks for showing us we were correct.

 

[g5000]

Lying only works for so long, folks.

You are being lied to.

The truth will out, and then we will lose our liberties because you could not be honest.

 

[jc456]

Lying only works for so long, folks.

You are being lied to.

The truth will out, and then we will lose our liberties because you could not be honest.

stop preaching at us. you're no good at it.

 

[g5000]

Our murder rate is right about where it was in 2000.

1970 was the beginning of the conceal and carry laws, and the murder rate went down, thanks for showing us we were correct.

No, the 1970s is when the percentage of Americans who own guns began to drop significantly.

 

[g5000]

Lying only works for so long, folks.

You are being lied to.

The truth will out, and then we will lose our liberties because you could not be honest.

stop preaching at us. you're no good at it.

I'm just burying you with facts.

Sorry about that!

 

[jc456]

Our murder rate is right about where it was in 2000.

1970 was the beginning of the conceal and carry laws, and the murder rate went down, thanks for showing us we were correct.

No, the 1970s is when the percentage of Americans who own guns began to drop significantly.

it's also the start of conceal and carry fool. look it up again. wow, don't you know how to do anything correctly?

 

[jc456]

Lying only works for so long, folks.

You are being lied to.

The truth will out, and then we will lose our liberties because you could not be honest.

stop preaching at us. you're no good at it.

I'm just burying you with facts.

Sorry about that!

facts that point to my argument being correct, thanks.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Tell us one incident where a gun has killed anyone.

 

[jc456]

Our murder rate is right about where it was in 2000.

1970 was the beginning of the conceal and carry laws, and the murder rate went down, thanks for showing us we were correct.

No, the 1970s is when the percentage of Americans who own guns began to drop significantly.

here more education for ya:
Concealed carry in the United States - Wikipedia

"This is also in line with a much cited research study published in 1997[8]researching county level data from 1977 to 1992 concluding that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths."

It follows your chart to the tea as I explained.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

There is no real statistcal difference

2000 Australia 1.8 per 100000 2009 1.3 per 100000

2000 US 5.5 per 100000 2009 5per 100000

BOTH countries murder rate dropped by .5 per 100000 over the same time period

Explain that

 

[Skull Pilot]

The gap between US and Australian gun deaths has widened significantly since the Australian gun grab:

What about the murder rate?

Oh yeah that went up between 1996 and 2001 didn't it?

I thought guns laws lowered the murder rate.

Why do you think the people lying to you don't mention what happend after the 2001 spike?

It should have been a GIANT clue they don't tell you what's been happening FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS.

Our murder rate also went down after the high in the 90's

How can that be if we didn't confiscate guns?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Please tell me how having me give up or forcing me to give up my firearms will prevent anyone from being killed

Those advanced nations which have banned guns have a much lower homicide rate than we do.

As a general rule, those states with laxer gun laws have higher homicide rates.

We have to be honest and admit that banning guns would result in a lower homicide rate. But that would require the repeal of the Second Amendment.

So it really is a choice between a higher homicide rate and liberty. It is completely dishonest to deny this.

and you know that is factually incorrect. been debunked in here again and again. but that is who you are, posting lies.

Nope. It has never been debunked.

It is a fact that advanced countries which give up their guns see a drop in the homicide rate in the long term.

It is also a fact that the states which have the loosest gun laws have the highest homicide rates.

No they don't in fact Britain is seeing an INCREASE and has been for several years. And they are an ISLAND with complete control over what enters
As for France it is totally illegal to own possess or use a weapon yet terrorists get fully automatic rifles and hand guns with NO problem and commit murder there. And when they dont feel like getting a rifle? They just rent a truck.

I have provided the homicide rate figures for Great Britain, France, and other advanced nations.

They don't even come close the US homicide rate.

Stop ASSUMING. Stop stating emotionally laden ANECDOTES, and look at the FACTS.

It is a FACT our homicide rate is 530% higher than Great Britain.

It is a FACT our homicide rate is 300% higher than France.

It is ALSO a fact that since Great Britain banned firearms their murder rate with firearms went UP and that their crime with firearms went UP. Further it is a fact that Great Britain has a MUCH higher incident of violent attacks with out firearms then any other European and USA place. Further it is a FACT that terrorists get firearms in Europe when ever they want to include fully automatic weapons even though they are completely banned.

 

[jc456]

Our homicide rate is three times higher than Canada, and nearly five times higher than Australia.

Australia had a mandatory gun confiscation back in the 90s.

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

There is no real statistcal difference

2000 Australia 1.8 per 100000 2009 1.3 per 100000

2000 US 5.5 per 100000 2009 5per 100000

BOTH countries murder rate dropped by .5 per 100000 over the same time period

Explain that

as I said, statistically insignificant.

 

[g5000]

and it didn't lower their murder rate.

In fact their murder rate went up every year between 1996 and 2001

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

There is no real statistcal difference

2000 Australia 1.8 per 100000 2009 1.3 per 100000

2000 US 5.5 per 100000 2009 5per 100000

BOTH countries murder rate dropped by .5 per 100000 over the same time period

Explain that

as I said, statistically insignificant.

My god. I'm dealing with complete innumerates.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

There is no real statistcal difference

2000 Australia 1.8 per 100000 2009 1.3 per 100000

2000 US 5.5 per 100000 2009 5per 100000

BOTH countries murder rate dropped by .5 per 100000 over the same time period

Explain that

as I said, statistically insignificant.

My god. I'm dealing with complete innumerates.

You are the idiot your 'facts" do not support your claims.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And then it plunged.

2001! You see? Your propagandists very carefully framed the picture.

2001. Why do you think the people lying to you don't tell you what's happened to Australia's homicide rate since then?

Hmmmm?

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

There is no real statistcal difference

2000 Australia 1.8 per 100000 2009 1.3 per 100000

2000 US 5.5 per 100000 2009 5per 100000

BOTH countries murder rate dropped by .5 per 100000 over the same time period

Explain that

as I said, statistically insignificant.

My god. I'm dealing with complete innumerates.

You cannot with any certainty say that Australia's gun laws are the single variable responsible for their declining murder rate.

Many other countries that have enacted similar laws have seen their murder rates rise AFTER passing of their gun laws just as Australia's did

Our murder rate declined similarly over the same period without confiscation of guns

It is simplistic to the point of mental retardation to deny that there are more variables than the one you say there is

 

[OKTexas]

A simple question.

Yesterday 26 people were shot and killed, some of them kids.

Life is going down the drain for lots of people in the US due to guns.

Which would you prefer, to keep your guns or to keep your life?

Protecting my and my wife’s life. That’s why guns are a tool for just that

-Geaux

But you're MORE LIKELY to get killed with a gun.

That's a lie and has been disproved over and over, guns are used defensively nearly 2 million times a year. A lot of those folks could be dead or maimed if they hadn't had a gun.


.

 

[jc456]

So did our murder rate

Not nearly as dramatically.

Not even close.

In fact our murder rate has been nearly flat for the past 15 years.

Try again.

There is no real statistcal difference

2000 Australia 1.8 per 100000 2009 1.3 per 100000

2000 US 5.5 per 100000 2009 5per 100000

BOTH countries murder rate dropped by .5 per 100000 over the same time period

Explain that

as I said, statistically insignificant.

My god. I'm dealing with complete innumerates.

You cannot with any certainty say that Australia's gun laws are the single variable responsible for their declining murder rate.

Many other countries that have enacted similar laws have seen their murder rates rise AFTER passing of their gun laws just as Australia's did

Our murder rate declined similarly over the same period without confiscation of guns

It is simplistic to the point of mental retardation to deny that there are more variables than the one you say there is