Which happens first: WWIII or Civil War 2.0?

[Silver Cat]

I am really disappointed that you have not sought help for your obvious drug addiction. Ukraine provoked Russia into attacking after months of Russia staging troops on the border to invade them. Right!

Actually, Ukraine had been provoking Russia since 2014, when they started terror against Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine.

 

[Silver Cat]

I am really disappointed that you have not sought help for your obvious drug addiction. Ukraine provoked Russia into attacking after months of Russia staging troops on the border to invade them. Right!

And yes, talking about provocative behavior.

As far as I know, at May 15, three boomers from the 20th submarine squadron of the US Navy were on combat patrol: the USS Rhode Island /since February 13/, the USS Alaska /since April 30/ and the USS Maryland /since May 11/.
Over the next 10 days, the USS West Virginia (May /19 ) and the USS Wyoming (May/23 ) left the Kings Bay base.
At June 2, the USS Tennessee left the base.
The USS Rhode Island (after changing missiles) was the last to leave the Kings Bay naval base and enter the Western Atlantic at June 10.

Formally, Ukrainian counter-offensive started at June 5, and only at June 20, it became clear (even for CIA fools), that it had failed, and some boomers returned home.

Don't you think, that successful Ukrainian counter-offensive could force the Russians attack the USA (first of all - our nuclear forces)?

 

[BackAgain]

The inclusion of “pineapple” makes this poll scientifically valid. We have achieved consensus.

Also, the OP has been fully vetted and peer reviewed and gets the universal “thumbs up!” Way up.

 

[BackAgain]

Actually, Ukraine had been provoking Russia since 2014, when they started terror against Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine.

Bullshit.

 

[Resnic]

Ww3.

Americans, especially younger Americans, are too soft and weak for a civil war. They are apathetic. And the current administration has too much control over us.

Most people just bitch online but don't have the minerals to actually do something. If civil war broke out most Americans would fold faster than Superman on laundry day.

 

[Silver Cat]

Bullshit.

Turchynov signs decree ordering special operation in east of Ukraine

Acting Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy is tasked with monitoring the implementation of the order

tass.com

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KIEV, April 14. /ITAR-TASS/. Parliament-appointed Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has signed a decree ordering a special operation in the east of Ukraine, the presidential press service said on Monday, April 14.

“To enable the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine from April 13, 2014 “On urgent measures to counter the terrorist threat and preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine”,” Turchynov ordered. Acting Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy is tasked with monitoring the implementation of the order.

The decree comes into effect from the day of its publication.
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[BackAgain]

Turchynov signs decree ordering special operation in east of Ukraine

Acting Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy is tasked with monitoring the implementation of the order

tass.com

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KIEV, April 14. /ITAR-TASS/. Parliament-appointed Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov has signed a decree ordering a special operation in the east of Ukraine, the presidential press service said on Monday, April 14.

“To enable the decision of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine from April 13, 2014 “On urgent measures to counter the terrorist threat and preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine”,” Turchynov ordered. Acting Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy is tasked with monitoring the implementation of the order.

The decree comes into effect from the day of its publication.
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Again. Bullshit.

Ukraine, alone, has the right to determine when they need to act within their own borders.

The reference was never anything about terrorist behavior by Ukraine or provocations. Even the UN’s own press release reflected the following:

— the Assembly demanded that the Russian Federation immediately reverse its decisions of 21 February and 29 September related to the status of the four abovementioned regions.

These acts are a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and inconsistent with the principles of the United Nations Charter, the Assembly declared. It called on all States, international organizations and United Nations agencies not to recognize any alteration by the Russian Federation of the status of the four regions of Ukraine.

With 143 Votes in Favour, 5 Against, General Assembly Adopts Resolution Condemning Russian Federation’s Annexation of Four Eastern Ukraine Regions | UN Press

Continuing its emergency special session, the General Assembly today condemned the Russian Federation’s attempted illegal annexation of the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine, and demanded it immediately withdraw all its military forces from Ukraine territory.

press.un.org

 

[Silver Cat]

Again. Bullshit.

Ukraine, alone, has the right to determine when they need to act within their own borders.

Yes, of course. As well as the Serbs has the right to determine when and how they need to act withing their own borders, and the Cubans has the right to determine if they want to deploy Russian nuclear missiles, and the Peking communists has the right to fight against Taiwanese separatist.
And, undoubtedly, the Russians (living both in Ukraine and Russian Federation) has the right to defend themselves.

 

[BackAgain]

Yes, of course. As well as the Serbs has the right to determine when and how they need to act withing their own borders, and the Cubans has the right to determine if they want to deploy Russian nuclear missiles, and the Peking communists has the right to fight against Taiwanese separatist.
And, undoubtedly, the Russians (living both in Ukraine and Russian Federation) has the right to defend themselves.

Those have nothing to do with Russia’s ongoing efforts to seize Ukrainian territory.

And if some Russian citizen happens to be living within the borders of Ukraine, it is not the province of Russia to invade Ukraine to help that citizen in any dispute with the Ukrainian government.

 

[Silver Cat]

Those have nothing to do with Russia’s ongoing efforts to seize Ukrainian territory.

It is not about territory at all. It is about elimination of Kievan Neo-Nazi regime and NATO military threat.

And if some Russian citizen happens to be living within the borders of Ukraine, it is not the province of Russia to invade Ukraine to help that citizen in any dispute with the Ukrainian government.

But Russia recognized independence of Donetsk and Lugansk People Republics, and, therefore, got the right to defend her allies.

 

[BackAgain]

It is not about territory at all. It is about elimination of Kievan Neo-Nazi regime and NATO military threat.

But Russia recognized independence of Donetsk and Lugansk People Republics, and, therefore, got the right to defend her allies.

False.

 

[Silver Cat]

False.

Are you banned in Google?

Putin recognizes independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian troops enter Eastern Ukraine

UN Security Council - a formality? Here's a brief summary of events that unfolded after President Putin recognized the independence of the LPR / DPR last night

jam-news.net

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22.02.2022

Putin recognizes independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian troops enter Eastern Ukraine​

Putin recognized independence of LNR/DNR​

Today, on February 22, a meeting of the UN Security Council is held in New York amid the extraordinary development of the Ukrainian crisis. Late on the evening of February 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced Russia’s recognition of the independence of the self-proclaimed LPR and DPR in Eastern Ukraine.

By two o’clock in the morning, Russian troops have already entered the territories of both regions

Meeting of the UN Security Council is a formality, since Russia, as a permanent member of the security council, has the veto right.​

Experts warn that the meeting of the UN Security Council is unlikely to have any practical consequences. Most likely, the Security Council will not even be able to adopt a resolution, since Russia has the right to veto it.

In February 2022, Russia acts as the chairman of the Security Council, and its representative will lead this emergency meeting.

Here are the main statements of the UN representatives:

• The UN Deputy Secretary-General warned of the risk of a large-scale conflict in Ukraine.
• The US permanent representative to the UN said that “Putin tore the Minsk agreements to shreds, and there is speculation that he will stop there”.
• The British Permanent Representative to the UN warned of serious economic consequences for Russia. She called to condemn the aggression against a sovereign state and protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
• The Permanent Representative of China called for continued dialogue to resolve the crisis peacefully.
• The Permanent Representative of Ukraine called on Russia to withdraw the recognition of the DPR and LPR and return to the negotiating table,
• “We are still open to diplomacy, to a diplomatic solution, but we no longer intend to allow a new bloody massacre in the Donbas,” said Vasily Nebenzya, Russia’s permanent representative to the UN.

West will not provide military support for Ukraine, but there will be sanctions against Russia​

The White House has reiterated that the US has no plans to send troops to Ukraine.

By the time this article was published, Washington had released a list of sanctions against the DNR and LNR. Among them, is a prohibition on any financial and other relations with these republics, as well as a ban on flights, issuance of visas to residents, etc.

The first comments in Ukrainian and international media and social media about this are ironic – there have never been any significant American investments or contacts with these territories.

The White House said in a statement that these sanctions were adopted separately from the general reponse sanctions’ package of the Western countries. What else will be included in it is still unknown.

Sanctions against Russia have been announced by several Western countries, including the UK, Canada and Japan.

[... ]

• to our throat. They expect to realize these plans. We will never allow this.

• Kyiv wants a blitzkrieg, genocide in the Donbas.
• Russia has every right to take retaliatory measures to ensure its own security.
• [I order to] immediately recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR.

By two o’clock in the morning, Russian military formations had already entered the DPR and LPR “to maintain peace”.
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[LordBrownTrout]

I don't know. I think I'll just retreat into mountains.

 

[Failzero]

That's an understatement

And The BLM / Marxist Islamist Street Rabble think the MIL/NG LEOs will side with them

 

[BackAgain]

Are you banned in Google?

Putin recognizes independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian troops enter Eastern Ukraine

UN Security Council - a formality? Here's a brief summary of events that unfolded after President Putin recognized the independence of the LPR / DPR last night

jam-news.net

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22.02.2022

Putin recognizes independence of Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian troops enter Eastern Ukraine​

Putin recognized independence of LNR/DNR​

Today, on February 22, a meeting of the UN Security Council is held in New York amid the extraordinary development of the Ukrainian crisis. Late on the evening of February 21, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced Russia’s recognition of the independence of the self-proclaimed LPR and DPR in Eastern Ukraine.

By two o’clock in the morning, Russian troops have already entered the territories of both regions

Meeting of the UN Security Council is a formality, since Russia, as a permanent member of the security council, has the veto right.​

Experts warn that the meeting of the UN Security Council is unlikely to have any practical consequences. Most likely, the Security Council will not even be able to adopt a resolution, since Russia has the right to veto it.

In February 2022, Russia acts as the chairman of the Security Council, and its representative will lead this emergency meeting.

Here are the main statements of the UN representatives:

• The UN Deputy Secretary-General warned of the risk of a large-scale conflict in Ukraine.
• The US permanent representative to the UN said that “Putin tore the Minsk agreements to shreds, and there is speculation that he will stop there”.
• The British Permanent Representative to the UN warned of serious economic consequences for Russia. She called to condemn the aggression against a sovereign state and protect the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
• The Permanent Representative of China called for continued dialogue to resolve the crisis peacefully.
• The Permanent Representative of Ukraine called on Russia to withdraw the recognition of the DPR and LPR and return to the negotiating table,
• “We are still open to diplomacy, to a diplomatic solution, but we no longer intend to allow a new bloody massacre in the Donbas,” said Vasily Nebenzya, Russia’s permanent representative to the UN.

West will not provide military support for Ukraine, but there will be sanctions against Russia​

The White House has reiterated that the US has no plans to send troops to Ukraine.

By the time this article was published, Washington had released a list of sanctions against the DNR and LNR. Among them, is a prohibition on any financial and other relations with these republics, as well as a ban on flights, issuance of visas to residents, etc.

The first comments in Ukrainian and international media and social media about this are ironic – there have never been any significant American investments or contacts with these territories.

The White House said in a statement that these sanctions were adopted separately from the general reponse sanctions’ package of the Western countries. What else will be included in it is still unknown.

Sanctions against Russia have been announced by several Western countries, including the UK, Canada and Japan.

[... ]

• to our throat. They expect to realize these plans. We will never allow this.
• Kyiv wants a blitzkrieg, genocide in the Donbas.
• Russia has every right to take retaliatory measures to ensure its own security.
• [I order to] immediately recognize the independence of the DNR and LNR.

By two o’clock in the morning, Russian military formations had already entered the DPR and LPR “to maintain peace”.
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The question is not whether Putz “recognized” a fable. The question remains whether he had any “right” as you falsely claimed to invade.

He did not.

You’re an idiot.

 

[Silver Cat]

The question is not whether Putz “recognized” a fable. The question remains whether he had any “right” as you falsely claimed to invade.

Might is right, you know. Especially after Clinton's unprovoked agression against Serbia.
De jure situation is simple.
Russia had right to recognize independence of DPR and LPR (as well as the USA had right to recognize independence of Kosovo). Russia has right to sign a mutual defense agreement with them. And, definitely, the Russians, as all human beings, have the right for self-defense.

 

[BackAgain]

Might is right, you know. Especially after Clinton's unprovoked agression against Serbia.
De jure situation is simple.
Russia had right to recognize independence of DPR and LPR (as well as the USA had right to recognize independence of Kosovo). Russia has right to sign a mutual defense agreement with them. And, definitely, the Russians, as all human beings, have the right for self-defense.

You’re not making any coherent or honestly premised argument.

But go forth and fail some more.

 

[Silver Cat]

You’re not making any coherent or honestly premised argument.

But go forth and fail some more.

So, you just said, that you haven't any reasonable arguments "contra". Ok, then.

 

[BackAgain]

So, you just said, that you haven't any reasonable arguments "contra". Ok, then.

I noted that you have no arguments.

That’s obvious. And it’s different than the dishonest spin you attempted to put on it.

You suck at this.

 

[Silver Cat]

I noted that you have no arguments.

That’s obvious. And it’s different than the dishonest spin you attempted to put on it.

You suck at this.

I have the argument:
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- Russia had right to recognize independence of DPR and LPR, as well as the USA had right to recognize independence of Kosovo.
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You disagree, but can't explain why. That's what we call "the lack of countra arguments".