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A favorite challenge/throwdown by atheists is "Which God?", giggle, giggle.

I compiled the first answer I have ever seen. Please offer your suggestions
to add.


Which God?


“In God We Trust” – The Motto of the United States, found on every coin and every bill of currency


“God and My Right” – The Motto of Great Britain

Nature’s God, cited in America’s Declaration of Independence:


“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. “


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”


“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, . . . .And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”


The U.S. Constitution was signed as follows:

“Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth.”


Named in the Supreme Court Opening Prayer: “God bless this honorable court”.


“No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom…apart from the moral precepts of the Christian religion applied and accepted by all the classes.” – John Jay, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and Founding Father

“The Christian religion, in its purity is the basis and the source of all genuine freedom in government.” – Noah Webster

“The general principles on which the Fathers achieved independence were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young gentlemen could unite …the general principles of Christianity.” – John Adams

“If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” – Daniel Webster

“Our Constitution was made only for a religious people. It is wholly inappropriate for the government of any other.” - John Adams


The consensus of humanity, as Christians constitute the largest group in the world. Consensus is relentlessly cited as “proof” of Darwinian evolution, as “proof” of climate change, but strangely it is pooh-poohed by those consensus folks when it comes to Christianity.

The Holy Bible is the best-selling book of all time.

"I say unequivocally that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt!" - Sir Lionel Luckhoo, listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the most successful attorney in history


“If you were to take the sum total of all authoritative articles ever written by the most qualified of psychologists and psychiatrists on the subject of mental hygiene--if you were to combine them and refine them and cleave out the excess verbiage if you were to take the whole of the meat and none of the parsley, and if you were to have these unadulterated bits of pure scientific knowledge concisely expressed by the most capable of living poets, you would have an awkward and incomplete summation of the Sermon on the Mount. And it would suffer immeasurably through comparison. For nearly two thousand years the Christian world has been holding in its hands the complete answer to its restless and fruitless yearnings. Here . . . rests the blueprint for successful human life with optimum mental health and contentment.” - A Few Buttons Missing: The Case Book of a Psychiatrist, by James T Fisher


Oxford University 1096 :

“The Lord is my light”

Harvard 1650:

Whereas
through the good hand of God…

Brown University 1764:

Motto: In Deo Speramus, Latin for “In God We Trust”

Princeton University

Motto: “Dei sub numine viget”, Latin for “Under God’s Power She Flourishes”

University of Pennsylvania

“…hoping through the favour of Almighty God,”


"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." ~Dr. Robert Jastrow


“In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1, validated by science only in the 20th Century
 
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An Atheist won't ask "Which God?" for the simple fact that the Atheist does not allow for the existence of a "God"...
 

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Just one God, the God of the Bible.

Of course, history is littered with other gods, pagan gods, that have long since died off.

Exceptions to the rule here is Hinduism and the continued pagan cults of such things as mother earth, etc..

That is about it.
 

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Pretty simple answer.

The God you believe in.

Anything else I can help out with?
 
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Pretty simple answer.

The God you believe in.

Anything else I can help out with?

Your flip answer is mere wordplay, rather like the antics of Richard Dawkins, who is hateful, socialist, atheist, writes and thinks poorly, and has bad teeth.
"Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is either ignorant, stupid, wicked or insane." - Richard Dawkins
 

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Your flip answer is mere wordplay, rather like the antics of Richard Dawkins, who is hateful, socialist, atheist, writes and thinks poorly, and has bad teeth.
"Anyone who doesn't believe in evolution is either ignorant, stupid, wicked or insane." - Richard Dawkins
A belief requires faith. Faith is those things that are not seen but are true and exist. So, does this mean Dawkins believed that evolution has no empirical proof? And, that everyone has to accept evolution or they are insane, wicked, stupid and need to be burned at the stake or put into an insane asylum? I think Dawkins was the insane and wicked stupid person.
 

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A favorite challenge/throwdown by atheists is "Which God?", giggle, giggle.
More precisely, the question is, what is the nature of God?
  • Is He the God who says love your enemies or the God who commanded Joshua to slay every living thing in a capture city?
  • Is He the God of individuals or of nations?
  • Is He the God of love and mercy or the God that punishes the innocent for the crimes of the guilty?
  • Is He the God who asked for forgiveness for Jews because they knew not what they did or the God who said 'His blood be on us and on our children' in His scripture?
 
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Cougarbear, I agree with your assessment of Richard Dawkins, but faith is something all scientists must have.

"Anybody who has been seriously engaged in scientific work of any kind realizes that over the entrance to the gates of the temple of science are written the words: 'Ye must have faith." - Max Planck, Nobel Laureate, Physics
 
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obviously, which god - refers to the three madeup one's of the desert religions ... than who wrought calamity to those very same people and drowned everyone of them - c e.
 

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A favorite challenge/throwdown by atheists is "Which God?", giggle, giggle.

I compiled the first answer I have ever seen. Please offer your suggestions
to add.


Which God?


“In God We Trust” – The Motto of the United States, found on every coin and every bill of currency


“God and My Right” – The Motto of Great Britain

Nature’s God, cited in America’s Declaration of Independence:


“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. “


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”


“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, . . . .And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”


The U.S. Constitution was signed as follows:

“Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth.”


Named in the Supreme Court Opening Prayer: “God bless this honorable court”.


“No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom…apart from the moral precepts of the Christian religion applied and accepted by all the classes.” – John Jay, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and Founding Father

“The Christian religion, in its purity is the basis and the source of all genuine freedom in government.” – Noah Webster

“The general principles on which the Fathers achieved independence were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young gentlemen could unite …the general principles of Christianity.” – John Adams

“If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” – Daniel Webster

“Our Constitution was made only for a religious people. It is wholly inappropriate for the government of any other.” - John Adams


The consensus of humanity, as Christians constitute the largest group in the world. Consensus is relentlessly cited as “proof” of Darwinian evolution, as “proof” of climate change, but strangely it is pooh-poohed by those consensus folks when it comes to Christianity.

The Holy Bible is the best-selling book of all time.

"I say unequivocally that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt!" - Sir Lionel Luckhoo, listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the most successful attorney in history


“If you were to take the sum total of all authoritative articles ever written by the most qualified of psychologists and psychiatrists on the subject of mental hygiene--if you were to combine them and refine them and cleave out the excess verbiage if you were to take the whole of the meat and none of the parsley, and if you were to have these unadulterated bits of pure scientific knowledge concisely expressed by the most capable of living poets, you would have an awkward and incomplete summation of the Sermon on the Mount. And it would suffer immeasurably through comparison. For nearly two thousand years the Christian world has been holding in its hands the complete answer to its restless and fruitless yearnings. Here . . . rests the blueprint for successful human life with optimum mental health and contentment.” - A Few Buttons Missing: The Case Book of a Psychiatrist, by James T Fisher


Oxford University 1096 :

“The Lord is my light”

Harvard 1650:

Whereas
through the good hand of God…

Brown University 1764:

Motto: In Deo Speramus, Latin for “In God We Trust”

Princeton University

Motto: “Dei sub numine viget”, Latin for “Under God’s Power She Flourishes”

University of Pennsylvania

“…hoping through the favour of Almighty God,”


"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." ~Dr. Robert Jastrow


“In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1, validated by science only in the 20th Century
This country was not founded on Christianity or anything else. There was no restrictions placed on anyone. There were great lengths taken to keep god out of it.
The references do not include how the country should be run. They really only make it sound good for the believers.
 
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This country was not founded on Christianity or anything else. There was (sic) no restrictions placed on anyone. There were great lengths taken to keep god (sic) out of it.
The references do not include how the country should be run. They really only make it sound good for the believers.

I'm sorry you are so miserable as a godless atheist.

 
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A favorite challenge/throwdown by atheists is "Which God?", giggle, giggle.

I compiled the first answer I have ever seen. Please offer your suggestions
to add.


Which God?


“In God We Trust” – The Motto of the United States, found on every coin and every bill of currency


“God and My Right” – The Motto of Great Britain

Nature’s God, cited in America’s Declaration of Independence:


“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. “


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”


“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, . . . .And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”


The U.S. Constitution was signed as follows:

“Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America the twelfth.”


Named in the Supreme Court Opening Prayer: “God bless this honorable court”.


“No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom…apart from the moral precepts of the Christian religion applied and accepted by all the classes.” – John Jay, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and Founding Father

“The Christian religion, in its purity is the basis and the source of all genuine freedom in government.” – Noah Webster

“The general principles on which the Fathers achieved independence were the only principles in which that beautiful assembly of young gentlemen could unite …the general principles of Christianity.” – John Adams

“If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.” – Daniel Webster

“Our Constitution was made only for a religious people. It is wholly inappropriate for the government of any other.” - John Adams


The consensus of humanity, as Christians constitute the largest group in the world. Consensus is relentlessly cited as “proof” of Darwinian evolution, as “proof” of climate change, but strangely it is pooh-poohed by those consensus folks when it comes to Christianity.

The Holy Bible is the best-selling book of all time.

"I say unequivocally that the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt!" - Sir Lionel Luckhoo, listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the most successful attorney in history


“If you were to take the sum total of all authoritative articles ever written by the most qualified of psychologists and psychiatrists on the subject of mental hygiene--if you were to combine them and refine them and cleave out the excess verbiage if you were to take the whole of the meat and none of the parsley, and if you were to have these unadulterated bits of pure scientific knowledge concisely expressed by the most capable of living poets, you would have an awkward and incomplete summation of the Sermon on the Mount. And it would suffer immeasurably through comparison. For nearly two thousand years the Christian world has been holding in its hands the complete answer to its restless and fruitless yearnings. Here . . . rests the blueprint for successful human life with optimum mental health and contentment.” - A Few Buttons Missing: The Case Book of a Psychiatrist, by James T Fisher


Oxford University 1096 :

“The Lord is my light”

Harvard 1650:

Whereas
through the good hand of God…

Brown University 1764:

Motto: In Deo Speramus, Latin for “In God We Trust”

Princeton University

Motto: “Dei sub numine viget”, Latin for “Under God’s Power She Flourishes”

University of Pennsylvania

“…hoping through the favour of Almighty God,”


"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." ~Dr. Robert Jastrow


“In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.” – Genesis 1:1, validated by science only in the 20th Century

In fact, God or the divine is mentioned at least once in each of the 50 state constitutions and nearly 200 times overall, according to a Pew Research Center analysis. - PewResearch.org
 
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That might be right but I know I’m right and you are wrong. what you believe doesn’t make it fact.

Ah, and what YOU believe makes it a fact.

Fact: Some 75% of Nobel Laureates in sciences believe in God.
You pretend that everything came from a quantum fluctuation, which is about as unscientific and baseless as anything that can be conceived.
As to "who made God," Professor John Lennox said, "If someone made God, then He wouldn't be God, would He?"
Exactly.
Listen to his lecture A Matter of Gravity.
It's important stuff. You need it desperately.
 

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Ah, and what YOU believe makes it a fact.

Fact: Some 75% of Nobel Laureates in sciences believe in God.
You pretend that everything came from a quantum fluctuation, which is about as unscientific and baseless as anything that can be conceived.
As to "who made God," Professor John Lennox said, "If someone made God, then He wouldn't be God, would He?"
Exactly.
Listen to his lecture A Matter of Gravity.
It's important stuff. You need it desperately.

believe in the metaphysical -

and not one supports the forgeries and fallacies of the desert religions ...
 

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Ah, and what YOU believe makes it a fact.

Fact: Some 75% of Nobel Laureates in sciences believe in God.
It doesn’t matter if they all believe there’s a god, that doesn’t make it fact.
You pretend that everything came from a quantum fluctuation, which is about as unscientific and baseless as anything that can be conceived.
No. I believe every single living thing on this planet came from evolution.
Evolution has nothing to do with science.
As to "who made God," Professor John Lennox said, "If someone made God, then He wouldn't be God, would He?"
Exactly.
Listen to his lecture A Matter of Gravity.
It's important stuff. You need it desperately.
Since you quoting literature, read Dawkins the god delusion and Hitchens god is not great and poisons everything.

Think about this. If you have faith to the point you firmly believe there’s a god, you don’t need one. It’s not necessary.
 

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If you have faith to the point you firmly believe there’s a god, you don’t need one. It’s not necessary.
Nine years ago, I discovered I didn't really need the person I believed to be my best friend. She passed away. I tell you this, not to change your mind about you lack of belief in God and your total belief God is not necessary, but to perhaps provide insight into people of faith. Technically, I cannot claim to be a person of faith, as I do know, absolutely, God is. We won't go into that, and there is no proof, anyway. People of faith understand the very same things I say by faith alone.

Let's start with my atheist husband. He points out that, technically, all atheists are agnostic because a negative cannot be proven. The reason he has never pursued faith is because at a young age he decided even if there is a God, he wants to go through this life without any help from God. He wants to do it on his own. He knows of my experiences, believes them, but adamantly does not want the same for himself. He joked that he wanted to go through this life without crutch. I grinned and responded, "No you are like the who decides to travel on foot. Meanwhile, I am like the person who hops on a bike or even a plane and will meet up with you. My husband and I are each content with our own mission, and content to encourage the other on theirs.

God is not a crutch. A better analogy is that a connection with Him is like a plant who is connected to additional water and fertilizer. I am a better plant with God.

With the death of my best friend, I not only lost her, but the part of myself I was when we were together. Since I cannot get my friend back, and I cannot truly get that part of me back, either. If I were to to walk away from God, I would be walking away from another part of me.

We can all live just fine if we were to lose a non-essential body part. But most would agree if we had that part, there are added benefits and abilities to what we can personally do or achieve, even if we can get along without it just fine. Encourage people in their faith, while continuing to relate your own journey.
 

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With the death of my best friend, I not only lost her, but the part of myself I was when we were together. Since I cannot get my friend back, and I cannot truly get that part of me back, either. If I were to to walk away from God, I would be walking away from another part of me.

you haven't lost your friend, you've lost your way ... their influence remains the same whether there or not. it's for you to reassure its authenticity.
 

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their influence remains the same whether there or not. it's for you to reassure its authenticity.
Seriously, don't be silly. I am sure you mean well, but what is lost is not the influence of past events. What is lost is in the present...ongoing present events, enjoying her personality in the present, not solely through memories. Again, I am sure you mean well, but "influence" is not the same as being with.

What may help you with my own beliefs is that one day when I was feeling particularly blue (years after her passing), her oldest daughter (Grin: Out-of-the blue) texted me. She had felt compelled to read through a book of poetry her mother loved and had given to her. Her mom had made a note in one of the margins of a lovely sentiment about friendship. She noted, "This is what your Aunt Meriweather and I have and always will. I wish for a friend like this for you in your life, too."

Her daughter added, Just as I felt suddenly compelled to pick up and read through that book, I felt compelled to send what she wrote to you. So here it is."

BreezeWood, you and both seem to agree that friendship is forever, it is not lost. It does go through different stages.
 

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Seriously, don't be silly. I am sure you mean well, but what is lost is not the influence of past events. What is lost is in the present...ongoing present events, enjoying her personality in the present, not solely through memories. Again, I am sure you mean well, but "influence" is not the same as being with.

What may help you with my own beliefs is that one day when I was feeling particularly blue (years after her passing), her oldest daughter (Grin: Out-of-the blue) texted me. She had felt compelled to read through a book of poetry her mother loved and had given to her. Her mom had made a note in one of the margins of a lovely sentiment about friendship. She noted, "This is what your Aunt Meriweather and I have and always will. I wish for a friend like this for you in your life, too."

Her daughter added, Just as I felt suddenly compelled to pick up and read through that book, I felt compelled to send what she wrote to you. So here it is."

BreezeWood, you and both seem to agree that friendship is forever, it is not lost. It does go through different stages.

a little surprised by your response ... you do not feel their presence as you claim for the heavenly spirit you - know - to exist.

influence - is being with and can be refreshed.
 

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