What's new
US Message Board 🦅 Political Discussion Forum

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Where Will Europe Go?

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
Read the first, (today's news); then read the second, (7/20/06). Scary the timing:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5220498.stm
Brick Lane makers cancel filming
The makers of the film Brick Lane have cancelled filming in the London area where it is set owing to opposition from the Bangladeshi community there.

Ruby Films said it had been advised by police and Tower Hamlets council not to film in Brick Lane area, Shoreditch.

Brick Lane Business Association chairman Mahmoud Roug told BBC News it was a "victory for the community".

Some members of the Bangladeshi community claim that the original novel, by Monica Ali, is "insulting".

The book is about a Bangladeshi woman sent to London for an arranged marriage.

Ruby Films is now seeking alternative locations for exterior scenes it had been due to film in the Brick Lane area this weekend.

Community victory

A spokeswoman said: "We have been advised by the police and Tower Hamlets council that it is probably best not to film there.

"We wouldn't want to go anywhere where we are not wanted, or put anyone at risk."

Mr Roug said: "If they have moved from here and will not be filming here, it is a victory for the community."

The original novel said "a lot of wrong and bad things about the community", he said.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1199

Excerpt:

In Praise of the First and Second Amendments
From the desk of Fjordman on Thu, 2006-07-20 07:40

In a true, totalitarian society such as the old Soviet Union, crime rates are usually low because of the crushing state control of all its citizens. Supposedly, street crime in Moscow in the USSR was rare, probably because the state itself was the biggest criminal. In contrast, in the European Union of today, which is not a totalitarian society, at least not yet, crime rates are booming in major cities. At the same time, authorities are stepping up censorship efforts, openly talking about media “speech codes” and aggressively slapping labels such as “racism” or “xenophobia” on anybody daring to criticize the immigration policies or pointing out the inadequate response to Muslim gang violence.

There is obviously a connection here: The less control the authorities have with Muslims, the more control they want to exercise over non-Muslims. As problems in Europe get worse, which they will, the EU will move in an increasingly repressive direction until it either becomes a true, totalitarian entity or falls apart. This strange mix of powerful censorship of public debate, yet little control over public law and order, has by some been labelled anarcho-tyranny.

While Islamic groups in Britain openly brag about how they are going to subdue the country by violent means or call for beheading those insulting Islam, Bryan Cork, 49, of Carlisle, Cumbria, in the Lake District, was sentenced to six months in jail for standing outside a mosque shouting, “Proud to be British,” and “Go back to where you came from.” One British court ruled that even use of the word “immigrant” as an insult could amount to proof of racial hostility.

In Belgium, a Turkish-born Catholic priest, Père Samuel, has been prosecuted for “incitement to racist hatred” by the Belgian Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism (CEOOR), because of a remark he made in a 2002 television interview when he said: “Every thoroughly islamized Muslim child that is born in Europe is a time bomb for Western children in the future. The latter will be persecuted when they have become a minority.” He claims Muslims are invading Europe and warns for an impending civil war.

Samuel is one of the few Christians left speaking Aramaic, the language of Jesus, at home. Aramaic was once the lingua franca of a vast area of the ancient Middle East, similar to what English is today or Latin was in Europe in centuries ago. It has now given way to Arabic, but according to some researchers, Syriac or Syro-Aramaic was also the root of the Koran. When the Koran was composed, Arabic did not exist as a written language. Aramaic, however, was still widely used between the 4th and 7th centuries in Western Asia. Ibn Warraq estimates that up to 20% of the Koran is incomprehensible even to educated Arabs because parts of it was, in fact, originally written in another, though related, language before Muhammad was born.

The author of the most important book on the subject – a German professor of ancient Semitic and Arabic languages – prefers to write under the pseudonym Christoph Luxenberg. Not because of lawsuits of “racism,” but out of plain fear for Muslim violence. According to Luxenberg, the chapters or suras of the Koran usually ascribed to the Mecca period, which are also the most tolerant and non-violent ones as opposed to the much harsher and more violent chapters from Medina, are not “Islamic” at all, but Christian:

“In its origin, the Koran is a Syro-Aramaic liturgical book, with hymns and extracts from Scriptures which might have been used in sacred Christian services. […] Its socio-political sections, which are not especially related to the original Koran, were added later in Medina. At its beginning, the Koran was not conceived as the foundation of a new religion. It presupposes belief in the Scriptures, and thus functioned merely as an inroad into Arabic society.”

Writer Oriana Fallaci has been indicted by a judge in her native Italy for “vilification” of Islam, because of a book she wrote called The Force of Reason. Ms Fallaci states that “Europe is no longer Europe, it is ‘Eurabia,’ a colony of Islam, where the Islamic invasion does not proceed only in a physical sense, but also in a mental and cultural sense. Servility to the invaders has poisoned democracy, with obvious consequences for the freedom of thought, and for the concept itself of liberty.”

In 2002, a French group, Movement Against Racism and for Friendship Between Peoples, tried unsuccessfully to get an earlier book by Fallaci, “The Rage and the Pride” banned. The following year, Swiss officials, under pressure from Muslim groups in that country, asked that she be extradited for trial; the Italian Minister of Justice refused the request.

In Australia, a Christian pastor who was ordered to apologize for vilifying Muslims said he would go to jail rather than say sorry for his comments. Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) deputy president Michael Higgins ordered two pastors to apologize for comments they made in a speech, on a website and in a newsletter. The tribunal found Muslims were vilified by claims that Muslims were training to take over Australia, encouraging domestic violence and that Islam was an inherently violent religion. The case was the first to be heard by VCAT since the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act took effect in 2002. A press release later warned that the human rights of ordinary Australians, in particular the right to free speech, were threatened by this sentence.

It is said that free societies are stronger than oppressive societies. This is probably true. However, in the West at the beginning of the 21st century, formal and informal censorship of important issues has become rampant. Without freedom of speech, democracy cannot function. The West is weak because it is no longer free....
 

rtwngAvngr

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2004
Messages
15,755
Reaction score
512
Points
48
Here's a hint. Maimonides the talmudic scholar considered Islam a noahide compliant relgion.
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
rtwngAvngr said:
Here's a hint. Maimonides the talmudic scholar considered Islam a noahide compliant relgion.
This is not about the Jews, stop hijacking.
 

rtwngAvngr

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2004
Messages
15,755
Reaction score
512
Points
48
Kathianne said:
This is not about the Jews, stop hijacking.

No hijacking, here. It's a relevant point. Why is the leadership of europe allowing they're country to be overrun with islam, while repressing the natives?
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
rtwngAvngr said:
No hijacking, here. It's a relevant point. Why is the leadership of europe allowing they're country to be overrun with islam, while repressing the natives?
Because the leaders cannot control the Muslim hordes, THEY'VE allowed in.
 

dilloduck

Diamond Member
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
53,240
Reaction score
5,796
Points
1,850
Location
Austin, TX
Kathianne said:
Because the leaders cannot control the Muslim hordes, THEY'VE allowed in.

Neither can the US
 

rtwngAvngr

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2004
Messages
15,755
Reaction score
512
Points
48
Kathianne said:
Because the leaders cannot control the Muslim hordes, THEY'VE allowed in.

But why do they continue on this course when it's obvious what will happen? and why do they silence those who point it out? It seems intentional and done with some kind of goal in mind. WOuldn't you agree? Or is this just a random occurence done for no particular purpose, with no particular goal in mind?
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
rtwngAvngr said:
But why do they continue on this course when it's obvious what will happen? and why do they silence those who point it out? It seems intentional and done with some kind of goal in mind. WOuldn't you agree? Or is this just a random occurence done for no particular purpose, with no particular goal in mind?
There are all sorts of possibilities that come to mind, but not a Jewish conspiracy; not with their numbers in European countries and their lack of leadership in the machines of power.
 

dilloduck

Diamond Member
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
53,240
Reaction score
5,796
Points
1,850
Location
Austin, TX
Kathianne said:
There are all sorts of possibilities that come to mind, but not a Jewish conspiracy; not with their numbers in European countries and their lack of leadership in the machines of power.

Could be the anti-semitic European leaders inviting in Muslims to do thier "dirty work" for them. Like bashing Jews and digging thier ditches.
 

rtwngAvngr

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2004
Messages
15,755
Reaction score
512
Points
48
Kathianne said:
There are all sorts of possibilities that come to mind, but not a Jewish conspiracy; not with their numbers in European countries and their lack of leadership in the machines of power.

So name one that comes to mind.
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
dilloduck said:
Could be the anti-semitic European leaders inviting in Muslims to do thier "dirty work" for them. Like bashing Jews and digging thier ditches.

Not so sure about digging ditches, but the Muslims are doing a good job of beating and killing European jews and those that try to bring that to the light of day.

Not surprised at the anti-Semitism in Europe, though I don't think that allowing Islamics in is the response the governments are making to that issue. Rather a cheap source of labor, much like our own government has been doing with the Mexicans. Kind of reminds me of Lincoln's, 'Only one way to keep a man in that condition, you have to be down there with him.' Lincoln of course was speaking of slavery, but the Europeans with their Muslim hordes and US with their Mexican hordes are running into the same problem.
 

dilloduck

Diamond Member
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
53,240
Reaction score
5,796
Points
1,850
Location
Austin, TX
Kathianne said:
Not so sure about digging ditches, but the Muslims are doing a good job of beating and killing European jews and those that try to bring that to the light of day.

Not surprised at the anti-Semitism in Europe, though I don't think that allowing Islamics in is the response the governments are making to that issue. Rather a cheap source of labor, much like our own government has been doing with the Mexicans. Kind of reminds me of Lincoln's, 'Only one way to keep a man in that condition, you have to be down there with him.' Lincoln of course was speaking of slavery, but the Europeans with their Muslim hordes and US with their Mexican hordes are running into the same problem.

That was my point---cheap labor--digging ditches---dirty work. Thats how America is going to get in trouble too yet Jewish Americans are all for it?
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
dilloduck said:
That was my point---cheap labor--digging ditches---dirty work. Thats how America is going to get in trouble too yet Jewish Americans are all for it?
All, Dillo? Really?
 

dilloduck

Diamond Member
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
53,240
Reaction score
5,796
Points
1,850
Location
Austin, TX
Kathianne said:
All, Dillo? Really?

Get your glasses--there is no "all" in that sentence--really.
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
dilloduck said:
Get your glasses--there is no "all" in that sentence--really.
There was no 'some' either.
 

dilloduck

Diamond Member
Joined
May 8, 2004
Messages
53,240
Reaction score
5,796
Points
1,850
Location
Austin, TX
Kathianne said:
So which was it? I'm assuming it was your post?

yes--- right again--it WAS my post and I did not say " all " jews do anything. That would be too broad of a generalization but one that you often try to pin on me.
 

rtwngAvngr

Senior Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2004
Messages
15,755
Reaction score
512
Points
48
Generalizations are not some sort of deceptive practice. That's what lefties do; they attack the very validity of generalizations, and other logical constructs. It's sad.
 
OP
Annie

Annie

Diamond Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Messages
50,848
Reaction score
4,826
Points
1,790
dilloduck said:
yes--- right again--it WAS my post and I did not say " all " jews do anything. That would be too broad of a generalization but one that you often try to pin on me.
So the answer was 'some'?
 

USMB Server Goals

Total amount
$200.00
Goal
$350.00

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top