Russia fires intercontinental ballistic missile (an RS-26 ICBM) in attack on Ukraine, Kyiv says
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marvin martian
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Kiev is a Russian city. They will try to take it undamaged. More likely, they will use a tiny nuclear warhead against Beskid tonnel. Little contamination, almost no collateral damage, significant military value.
Ringo
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Where the "Oreshnik" can reach
All the countries of continental Europe, from Poland and the Baltics to Portugal, as well as Great Britain, are in the target zone.
In addition, new NATO members Finland and Sweden are in the target zone.
"Oreshnik" flight time:
Great Britain - 19 minutes.
Poland - 8 minutes.
Belgium - 14 minutes.
Germany - 11 minutes.
All the countries of continental Europe, from Poland and the Baltics to Portugal, as well as Great Britain, are in the target zone.
In addition, new NATO members Finland and Sweden are in the target zone.
"Oreshnik" flight time:
Great Britain - 19 minutes.
Poland - 8 minutes.
Belgium - 14 minutes.
Germany - 11 minutes.
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This one was terrific. I highly recommend everyone at least listen to it while they are doing something else.
Glenn Greenwald: Dangerous New Escalation in Russia, & Our Blackmailed Politicians
Nov 20, 2024I love when Tucker sits down and has conversation with other classical liberals who lean more to the left. I remember a year or two ago he sat down with Jimmy Dore, that one was epic too.
Our system is so dysfunctional, it really is.
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Dysfunctional is a nice term to describe this ridiculous fucking shit show.
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Ringo
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In the conflict in Ukraine and in the sphere of international security, it seems that the last page has been opened, after the turning of which will be written either “The End” or “And from then on they lived happily ever after”.
Yesterday, November 21, 2024, the Russian Air Force struck one of the major military-industrial complex facilities in Dnepropetrovsk (located in the territory still controlled by the Kiev regime).
The effect of the strike, unlike the effects of currently known Russian military systems, caused a poorly concealed panic in the collective West.
After giving our enemies a chance to “marinate,” Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a short but informative statement that leaves no room for ambiguity, popularly explaining the background of what happened, as well as options for further developments.
The strike was carried out by Russia's newest medium-range Oreshnik missile, against which the West and especially Ukraine have no defense and will have none in the foreseeable future. The missile was used in a non-nuclear version (for now). According to experts, Oreshnik is a development of the RSD-10 Pioneer system: launch range - up to 5000 kilometers; power - 150 kilotons (200 Hiroshimas); probable deviation from the target - 50 meters (but it will not matter). Speed of the warhead: Mach 10 (two to three kilometers per second). Approach time: Great Britain - 19 minutes, Poland - eight minutes; Belgium - 14 minutes; Germany - 11 minutes. You can't shoot down, you can't run away, you can't escape.
Why was the strike carried out?
The conflict in Ukraine after the Western missile strike on Russia (on November 19 with six ATACMS missiles and on November 20 with Storm Shadow missiles) has acquired a global character: it is impossible to use such long-range weapons on our territory without Western specialists, which means that the countries concerned have consciously become parties to the conflict with all the ensuing consequences. Russia has repeatedly (!) warned Western “partners” of the inadmissibility of such steps, but the West has gone down the path of escalation, which has necessitated a final warning.
Moscow prefers peaceful developments and has consistently advocated de-escalation, including nuclear de-escalation. Russia hopes that its latest warning will be heeded and that common sense and the instinct of self-preservation will prevail in the West. Russia is even now ready to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Pick up the phone, press the buttons, say “hello”.
What will happen if Russia's warnings and appeals are not heeded?
It will respond decisively and mirror any escalation of the conflict, i.e. there will be no more “asymmetric” responses, but 1000% symmetric ones. Russia considers itself entitled to use weapons against the military facilities of countries that use their weapons against it. “Military facilities” do not necessarily have to be located on the territory of the countries concerned (for example, military bases, aircraft carriers, airborne radar aircraft, satellite constellations, and so on), but at the same time the range of the same ‘Oreshnik’ system is quite sufficient to hit targets anywhere in Europe. The Russian president said clearly and concretely: “If anyone doubts this, it is in vain. There will always be an answer.”
Is Moscow not afraid that in the event of an attack on NATO military facilities after a possible next provocation by Ukraine with the participation of Western specialists, the alliance will declare war on Russia?
It is not afraid. We are ready for any scenario. If anything, we will go to paradise as martyrs, and they will just die like dogs. They think they have tougher Nuts and can raise the stakes indefinitely, but they are dangerously deluded. The West bases its military doctrine on the theory of “intolerable damage” that must be inflicted on the other side before it will surrender. Our doctrine is simpler: if the existence of our state or its vital interests are at stake, we act as harshly as possible and without looking back (remember Crimea in 2014 and the beginning of the Strategic Defense Forces in 2022, despite the fact that the West, contrary to its own propaganda, was fully convinced that we would not go for it).
How will a Western missile strike deep into Russian territory affect the situation in the SWO (Special military operation) zone?
Nothing. Or rather, nothing in the sense that their organizers would like, and even on the contrary - we will go forward even more decisively. These strikes will not interfere with the achievement of the goals of the SWO.
Interestingly, Russia warned the West 30 minutes in advance about the launch in automatic mode through the Center for Nuclear Threat Reduction, although we have no such obligations - that is, it was a perfectly gentlemanly gesture. According to some Western observers, Kiev has not yet been turned into a desert, and Zelensky is still alive only “because of Putin's unearthly kindness, wisdom and endurance.” Not only that: our president promised to warn Ukrainian civilians in advance, if it is suddenly necessary to make repeated launches.
On the positive side: some media personalities in the West have raised the alarm about the increased likelihood of a nuclear conflict. For example, former UK ruling party leader Jeremy Corbyn said, “The Prime Minister should immediately address Parliament to clarify whether British missiles have been struck. He must say whether this means we are at war with a nuclear power, how great the risk is to the people of Britain and why it happened without parliamentary approval. Everything possible must be done for de-escalation and peace.
Political leaders are risking lives for political gain. In the event of nuclear war, there will be no winners.”
Meanwhile, the following signals are coming from Washington: “The U.S. sees no indication that Moscow is preparing to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “Washington sees no need to change its nuclear doctrine, regardless of new Russian decisions of this kind”; “The U.S. will continue to provide new weapons packages to Ukraine and work to accelerate the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “The U.S. will continue to provide new weapons packages to Ukraine and work to accelerate the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. (с)
Yesterday, November 21, 2024, the Russian Air Force struck one of the major military-industrial complex facilities in Dnepropetrovsk (located in the territory still controlled by the Kiev regime).
The effect of the strike, unlike the effects of currently known Russian military systems, caused a poorly concealed panic in the collective West.
After giving our enemies a chance to “marinate,” Russian President Vladimir Putin issued a short but informative statement that leaves no room for ambiguity, popularly explaining the background of what happened, as well as options for further developments.
The strike was carried out by Russia's newest medium-range Oreshnik missile, against which the West and especially Ukraine have no defense and will have none in the foreseeable future. The missile was used in a non-nuclear version (for now). According to experts, Oreshnik is a development of the RSD-10 Pioneer system: launch range - up to 5000 kilometers; power - 150 kilotons (200 Hiroshimas); probable deviation from the target - 50 meters (but it will not matter). Speed of the warhead: Mach 10 (two to three kilometers per second). Approach time: Great Britain - 19 minutes, Poland - eight minutes; Belgium - 14 minutes; Germany - 11 minutes. You can't shoot down, you can't run away, you can't escape.
Why was the strike carried out?
The conflict in Ukraine after the Western missile strike on Russia (on November 19 with six ATACMS missiles and on November 20 with Storm Shadow missiles) has acquired a global character: it is impossible to use such long-range weapons on our territory without Western specialists, which means that the countries concerned have consciously become parties to the conflict with all the ensuing consequences. Russia has repeatedly (!) warned Western “partners” of the inadmissibility of such steps, but the West has gone down the path of escalation, which has necessitated a final warning.
Moscow prefers peaceful developments and has consistently advocated de-escalation, including nuclear de-escalation. Russia hopes that its latest warning will be heeded and that common sense and the instinct of self-preservation will prevail in the West. Russia is even now ready to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Pick up the phone, press the buttons, say “hello”.
What will happen if Russia's warnings and appeals are not heeded?
It will respond decisively and mirror any escalation of the conflict, i.e. there will be no more “asymmetric” responses, but 1000% symmetric ones. Russia considers itself entitled to use weapons against the military facilities of countries that use their weapons against it. “Military facilities” do not necessarily have to be located on the territory of the countries concerned (for example, military bases, aircraft carriers, airborne radar aircraft, satellite constellations, and so on), but at the same time the range of the same ‘Oreshnik’ system is quite sufficient to hit targets anywhere in Europe. The Russian president said clearly and concretely: “If anyone doubts this, it is in vain. There will always be an answer.”
Is Moscow not afraid that in the event of an attack on NATO military facilities after a possible next provocation by Ukraine with the participation of Western specialists, the alliance will declare war on Russia?
It is not afraid. We are ready for any scenario. If anything, we will go to paradise as martyrs, and they will just die like dogs. They think they have tougher Nuts and can raise the stakes indefinitely, but they are dangerously deluded. The West bases its military doctrine on the theory of “intolerable damage” that must be inflicted on the other side before it will surrender. Our doctrine is simpler: if the existence of our state or its vital interests are at stake, we act as harshly as possible and without looking back (remember Crimea in 2014 and the beginning of the Strategic Defense Forces in 2022, despite the fact that the West, contrary to its own propaganda, was fully convinced that we would not go for it).
How will a Western missile strike deep into Russian territory affect the situation in the SWO (Special military operation) zone?
Nothing. Or rather, nothing in the sense that their organizers would like, and even on the contrary - we will go forward even more decisively. These strikes will not interfere with the achievement of the goals of the SWO.
Interestingly, Russia warned the West 30 minutes in advance about the launch in automatic mode through the Center for Nuclear Threat Reduction, although we have no such obligations - that is, it was a perfectly gentlemanly gesture. According to some Western observers, Kiev has not yet been turned into a desert, and Zelensky is still alive only “because of Putin's unearthly kindness, wisdom and endurance.” Not only that: our president promised to warn Ukrainian civilians in advance, if it is suddenly necessary to make repeated launches.
On the positive side: some media personalities in the West have raised the alarm about the increased likelihood of a nuclear conflict. For example, former UK ruling party leader Jeremy Corbyn said, “The Prime Minister should immediately address Parliament to clarify whether British missiles have been struck. He must say whether this means we are at war with a nuclear power, how great the risk is to the people of Britain and why it happened without parliamentary approval. Everything possible must be done for de-escalation and peace.
Political leaders are risking lives for political gain. In the event of nuclear war, there will be no winners.”
Meanwhile, the following signals are coming from Washington: “The U.S. sees no indication that Moscow is preparing to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “Washington sees no need to change its nuclear doctrine, regardless of new Russian decisions of this kind”; “The U.S. will continue to provide new weapons packages to Ukraine and work to accelerate the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine”; “The U.S. will continue to provide new weapons packages to Ukraine and work to accelerate the use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine. (с)
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When I read about that in the NYT, I seriously though it was satire. They can't possibly be that dumb?
Given the level of lies and propaganda in the American media, I am still a bit skeptical.
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". . . The one gold-standard security guarantee that Ukraine wants is an invitation to join NATO. But it could not get that under Mr. Biden, and an invitation is unlikely during Mr. Trump’s presidency.
So U.S. and European officials are discussing deterrence as a possible security guarantee for Ukraine, such as stockpiling a conventional arsenal sufficient to strike a punishing blow if Russia violates a cease-fire.
Several officials even suggested that Mr. Biden could return nuclear weapons to Ukraine that were taken from it after the fall of the Soviet Union. That would be an instant and enormous deterrent. But such a step would be complicated and have serious implications. . . . "
When a dictator praises you, that means he sees that you're easily manipulatable or weak or both, which is actually the case here.
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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Does anyone know that we have satellites monitoring any time the Russkies launch a bottle rocket? We know every time they launch, where it was from, and where it is going. This was no surprise to no one. They likely told us in advance.
My personal theory is that the missile was likely old and going to be removed from service, so they stripped off the nuke warhead and filled the warhead with rocks. The damage inflicted at the impact site was not very impressive. It was intended as a threat and that is the way it was recievd by anyone without a clue as to how the Russkies operate.
My personal theory is that the missile was likely old and going to be removed from service, so they stripped off the nuke warhead and filled the warhead with rocks. The damage inflicted at the impact site was not very impressive. It was intended as a threat and that is the way it was recievd by anyone without a clue as to how the Russkies operate.
Yes. That's the good example of self-comforting denial of reality.
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Do you know what exactly American military experts though about Japanses threat back in 1941?
"The greatest danger from Japan, a surprise attack on the unguarded Pacific Fleet, lying at anchor in San Pedro Harbor, under peacetime conditions, has already been averted. The Pacific Fleet is at one of the strongest bases in the world - Pearl Harbor - practically on a war footing and under a war regime. There will be no American Port Arthur"
W.D. Puleston, The Armed Forces of the Pacific, New Haven, Yale University Press, 1941, pp 116-117.
Doesn't it sound pretty familiar and even similar to mantras of the modern American "experts"?
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So, what are you trying to say, rear admiral? That on account of not having enough patriots or other junk air defence missiles you'll be able to make do with the popular Hohols' tactics I.e. the use of the expired pickle jars?
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The idiots can't get it through their thick heads Ukraine wanting to join NATO was one of the main reasons for the War they knew it was a red line for Russia, the Ukrainian Regime were making noises as far back as 2008 about joining NATO, it will never happen because Russia won't tolerate it.
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"Soon after warning that Russia's newly deployed 'Oreshnik' nuclear capable hypersonic missile is able to reach any European capital, at a top speed of Mach 10+ —which is significantly faster than a bullet—Russian state media issued the below ominous infographic.
Eastern European capitals could be hit in a matter of a few minutes, and that Berlin is reachable in only 15. It lists capitals as far away from the Kapustin Yar rocket launch complex like London and Paris as reachable by the Oreshnik in just 20 minutes. This means if proverbial all hell broke loose and WW3 came to Europe, these populations would have very little time to reach shelter."
Wow!
Eastern European capitals could be hit in a matter of a few minutes, and that Berlin is reachable in only 15. It lists capitals as far away from the Kapustin Yar rocket launch complex like London and Paris as reachable by the Oreshnik in just 20 minutes. This means if proverbial all hell broke loose and WW3 came to Europe, these populations would have very little time to reach shelter."
Wow!
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