Where does the tea party come from? Activist Republicans, study shows.

[Google]

Seems that, unlike what especially many on the right like to say, which is that the Tea Party consists of many Independents and Democrats, that it is in fact, a spin-off of disgruntled Republicans. Which many, espeically on the Left have been saying for the last 3 years.

In fact, Tea Party supporters were for the most part activist Republicans well before both the financial crisis and before Obama’s election. Campbell and Putnam found that Republican affiliation was actually the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support, and that Tea Party supporters were more likely than other people to have lobbied their public officials before.

Today’s Tea Party supporters are disproportionately white social conservatives, who, Campbell and Putnam say, “had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and still do.” And while Tea Party leaders say their main concern is limiting the size of government, Campbell and Putnam found that the cause that really unites rank-and-file Tea Partiers is a desire for more religion in government. Campbell and Putnam argue that their public devotion—not their ideas about taxes—explains the appeal of figures like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Texas governor Rick Perry to the Tea Party.

Read it and weep: Where Does the Tea Party Come From? | Politeia | Big Think

What is it with the obsession with the Tea Party from the left?

A bunch of people that espouse financial conservatism and sound economics are more or less Republican, no shit.

But they didn't come together because of a horrid economy and an administration that increased national deficit spending by mind boggling leaps and bounds, increasing the national debt more than any other previous administration in two years--none of that is relevant. They organized and came together out of racism, right?

By the way, how is your attempts at organizing a leftist 'tea party' in Atlanta going?

 

[MarcATL]

The Bail out and TARP program was a huge mistake, you cannot spend your way out of debt. These two things began the birth of the TEA Party. After several years of just complaining, with no one listening, they'd had enough...........they decided it was time to come together, there is strength in numbers. It's a movement, not a political party.

You're welcome.

I'm sorry, but I don't see any serious backlash against the war spending from the TPers.

They seem to be concerned with almost every other type of spending EXCEPT the wars.

Can you produce any evidence of serious movements to cut Defense? If so, please post them, as I haven't been able to find evidence of that.

BTW, defense spending dwarfs every other type of spending in the budget.

No it does not.

What's taking up more tax dollars than defense spending?

 

[naturegirl]

Do you know how much has been spent on the Libya operation? It wouldn't = 1 week worth of spending in Iraq in 2007. Add to that the fact that the U.S has frozen $30 billion + of Gaddafi's assets.

So it's OK because it cost less?? Where do you suppose we're supposed to get the $ to pay that little bit?? 2 billion dollars a day in Lybia is a lot of money to me. The Real Cost Of U.S. In Libya? Two Billion Dollars Per Day. - Forbes

Do you ever think we'll see any of Gaddafi's money??

Your argument pointed out budgetary matters. I pointed out that the entire 5-6 month operation in Libya, so far, has cost less than 1 week in Iraq.

I see, we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan. The wars 0bama campaigned on getting us out of. Well, except GW set the date for the draw down on Iraq, Big O just wants to take the credit. Now we have three, but it's cheaper in Lybia so it's OK. Gotcha!!

Oh and you're proving my point you know.

 

[Google]

As in the "Party of NO!"

As in Republicans.

As in Are you going to accept the will of the voters and Obama as President?

Republicans: HELL NO!

As in Are you going to help get the economy back on track?

Republicans: HELL NO!

As in Do you care that people are suffering?

Republicans: HELL NO!

Yeppers.

HELL NO!

See, that's where the problem lies. (and I mean 'lies' as in untruth).... you can't tell the difference between a lie and a truth, a 'no' and a 'know'.... and so you repeat whatever partisan bullshit you are fed.

Shame, cuz you did used to be quite a reasonably thoughtful poster. I feel sorry for you.

Well over the last couple of decades or so..I've watched the party of Dwight Eisenhower/Bob Dole/Jack Kemp meltdown to a collection of fruit loops that are not only disfunctional, but they are dangeously disfunctional. And lately..that meltdown is on overdrive. They are picking up on memes that use to be thought absurd by everyone, Democrats and Republicans alike.

And you applaud that.

It's not me you should be feeling sorry for..

During Bush's administration the left was telling us that he was a war criminal, illegitimate, made up and exaggerated negative claims about his past, was trying to burn the Constitution, was responsible for 911--and now, NOW these morons like Shallow are saying now that the people they disagree with are terrorists; they are dangerous.

Their claims keep getting more uncivil and extremist. Then they will turn around and cry about the way Obama is treated, like they were so damned civilized and tempered in their criticism of Bush.

 

[Full-Auto]

I'm sorry, but I don't see any serious backlash against the war spending from the TPers.

They seem to be concerned with almost every other type of spending EXCEPT the wars.

Can you produce any evidence of serious movements to cut Defense? If so, please post them, as I haven't been able to find evidence of that.

BTW, defense spending dwarfs every other type of spending in the budget.

No it does not.

What's taking up more tax dollars than defense spending?

SOON TO BE DEBT SERVICE, After the super committee it will be debt service.

 

[Google]

I'm sorry, but I don't see any serious backlash against the war spending from the TPers.

They seem to be concerned with almost every other type of spending EXCEPT the wars.

Can you produce any evidence of serious movements to cut Defense? If so, please post them, as I haven't been able to find evidence of that.

BTW, defense spending dwarfs every other type of spending in the budget.

No it does not.

What's taking up more tax dollars than defense spending?

 

[cutter]

Seems that, unlike what especially many on the right like to say, which is that the Tea Party consists of many Independents and Democrats, that it is in fact, a spin-off of disgruntled Republicans. Which many, espeically on the Left have been saying for the last 3 years.

In fact, Tea Party supporters were for the most part activist Republicans well before both the financial crisis and before Obama’s election. Campbell and Putnam found that Republican affiliation was actually the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support, and that Tea Party supporters were more likely than other people to have lobbied their public officials before.

Today’s Tea Party supporters are disproportionately white social conservatives, who, Campbell and Putnam say, “had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and still do.” And while Tea Party leaders say their main concern is limiting the size of government, Campbell and Putnam found that the cause that really unites rank-and-file Tea Partiers is a desire for more religion in government. Campbell and Putnam argue that their public devotion—not their ideas about taxes—explains the appeal of figures like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Texas governor Rick Perry to the Tea Party.

Read it and weep: Where Does the Tea Party Come From? | Politeia | Big Think

Marc, do you really believe this??

Here's my take on the TEA Party.............some of these folks have been around a long time, they saw the writing on the wall long ago. The government has been spending out of control for many years. When every person that applied for a mortgage (black, white, yellow, brown, pink and purple) qualified, it was the beginning of the end.

I don't like debt at all, however as a reasonable person I realize it's sometimes necessary. Unfortunately most people don't realize what a $200-$300,000.00 mortgage will do their bottom line if someone loses their job.

Our government in DC today doesn't understand that concept either. The TEA Party is a group of people that is tired of the pork, special deals, the sweet congressional and government pay packages and the out of control spending.

What this report tells me is that some folks are beginning to take these people a little more seriously and they are getting scared......their free ride is being threatened and they don't like it. It only sends me the message that someone is ruffling the right feathers.

Seems that, unlike what especially many on the right like to say, which is that the Tea Party consists of many Independents and Democrats, that it is in fact, a spin-off of disgruntled Republicans. Which many, espeically on the Left have been saying for the last 3 years.

In fact, Tea Party supporters were for the most part activist Republicans well before both the financial crisis and before Obama’s election. Campbell and Putnam found that Republican affiliation was actually the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support, and that Tea Party supporters were more likely than other people to have lobbied their public officials before.

Today’s Tea Party supporters are disproportionately white social conservatives, who, Campbell and Putnam say, “had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and still do.” And while Tea Party leaders say their main concern is limiting the size of government, Campbell and Putnam found that the cause that really unites rank-and-file Tea Partiers is a desire for more religion in government. Campbell and Putnam argue that their public devotion—not their ideas about taxes—explains the appeal of figures like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Texas governor Rick Perry to the Tea Party.

Read it and weep: Where Does the Tea Party Come From? | Politeia | Big Think

Why does the study lump blacks and immigrants together? I know a lot of Tea Party members and none of them would judge you by your race. You are as welcome to the TEA PARTY as any other American Citizen. We also have NO problem with legal immigrants. We welcome them to America and hope they can successfully integrate into our society. It's ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION we have a problem with, but the left knows all this, it;s just more useful to them to ignore the facts and lie to attempt to inflame the race issue.It seems the left wants to escalate racial division and violence in this country and it's a no win situation for anybody. The left always talks about toning down the rhetoric and then turn people like Maxine Waters loose to try and escalate the division to new levels. If and when the race riots come to America it wont be the TEA PARTY that's to blame, it will be the left and their desire to tare this country apart.

 

[Dot Com]

Where were the t-publicans when Bu$h II was continuously putting in huge "emergency supplementals" (off-budget/unpaid-for requests) for Iraq?

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm sorry, but I don't see any serious backlash against the war spending from the TPers.

They seem to be concerned with almost every other type of spending EXCEPT the wars.

Can you produce any evidence of serious movements to cut Defense? If so, please post them, as I haven't been able to find evidence of that.

BTW, defense spending dwarfs every other type of spending in the budget.

No it does not.

What's taking up more tax dollars than defense spending?

Entitlements are on par.

DoD doesn't "dwarf" it.

 

[naturegirl]

No it does not.

What's taking up more tax dollars than defense spending?

Whoops, looks like Social Programs are more, and discretionary spending is real close. What is discretionary spending anyway??

Oh yeah, those are pork and earmarks. I guess we can't cut those.

 

[Avorysuds]

Where were the t-publicans when Bu$h II was continuously putting in huge "emergency supplementals" (off-budget/unpaid-for requests) for Iraq?

Most people figured after 2008 Bush would be out of office... Obama from the first few weeks started expanding upon the Bush ear policies... As Obama kept expanding Bush era polices, starting new wars and suing states for trying to do jobs Obama wouldn't the TP grew.

It's actually very simplistic and easy to understand if you look at the TP through non bigoted eyes. Ron Paul was the "god father" of the TP, meaning these people (TP) were around and extremely active, they just helped created the TP after the election because they didn't have Ron Paul as an outlet anymore.

Again, amazingly easy to understand.

 

[Two Thumbs]

What's taking up more tax dollars than defense spending?

Whoops, looks like Social Programs are more, and discretionary spending is real close. What is discretionary spending anyway??

Pork and earmarks

 

[Dot Com]

Anybody see this?

Anti-earmark Tea Party Caucus takes $1 billion in earmarks | Exclusives - Yahoo! News

"It's disturbing to see the Tea Party Caucus requested that much in earmarks. This is their time to put up or shut up, to be blunt," said David Williams, vice president for policy at Citizens Against Government Waste. "There's going to be a huge backlash if they continue to request earmarks."

 

[Avorysuds]

Anybody see this?

Anti-earmark Tea Party Caucus takes $1 billion in earmarks | Exclusives - Yahoo! News

"It's disturbing to see the Tea Party Caucus requested that much in earmarks. This is their time to put up or shut up, to be blunt," said David Williams, vice president for policy at Citizens Against Government Waste. "There's going to be a huge backlash if they continue to request earmarks."

Anybody see this?

June 17, 2009

In a vote that should go down in recent histories as a day of shame for the Democrats, on Tuesday the House voted to approve another $106 billion dollars for the bloody wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and increasingly Pakistan).


30 of 256 Democrats stood against $100 billion for more war.


Shame: The 'Anti-War' Democrats Who Sold Out | World | AlterNet


Like I said, will any of you ever start a thread not based on "I hate white people and Republicans"?

 

[cutter]

What people tend to forget is the TEA PARTY is not a Political Party it is a movement and the more people that join the movement the more the movement reflects the ideals of it's members. Maybe the movement was started by RON PAUL supporters, and reflects a lot of his views, the more members it gets the more those views will shift. It's a movement that's good for America and I urge more minorities to join and let your voices be herd. It's just the Anti-American Socialist views of the left that are not welcome and will be rejected. The left thinks all minorities and immigrants require a Socialist type of government to be successful and it's not true and it's not fair to those minorities to make them believe they can not be successful without control. We are citizens of a free country and everyone should be wary of too much government control. The government will control you right into a ghetto and then guarantee you never get out. The TEA PARTY is all about every American being successful and having the right to thrive and live up to their individual potential.

 

[BDBoop]

Read it and weep: Where Does the Tea Party Come From? | Politeia | Big Think

My take:

Rick Santelli’s Planted Rant ? | The Big Picture

“How did a minor-league TV figure, whose contract with CNBC is due this summer, get so quickly launched into a nationwide rightwing blog sensation? Why were there so many sites and organizations online and live within minutes or hours after his rant, leading to a nationwide protest just a week after his rant?

What hasn’t been reported until now is evidence linking Santelli’s “tea party” rant with some very familiar names in the Republican rightwing machine, from PR operatives who specialize in imitation-grassroots PR campaigns (called “astroturfing”) to bigwig politicians and notorious billionaire funders. As veteran Russia reporters, both of us spent years watching the Kremlin use fake grassroots movements to influence and control the political landscape. To us, the uncanny speed and direction the movement took and the players involved in promoting it had a strangely forced quality to it. If it seemed scripted, that’s because it was.

What we discovered is that Santelli’s “rant” was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a “Chicago Tea Party” was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.”

 

[Two Thumbs]

Anybody see this?

Anti-earmark Tea Party Caucus takes $1 billion in earmarks | Exclusives - Yahoo! News

"It's disturbing to see the Tea Party Caucus requested that much in earmarks. This is their time to put up or shut up, to be blunt," said David Williams, vice president for policy at Citizens Against Government Waste. "There's going to be a huge backlash if they continue to request earmarks."

The debt is over $14.4 TRILLION. that ".4" Is $400 Billion.


Please explain why you and yours are against cutting spending at all?

the dangers of getting on a high horse is that it's easy to pull you off.

you're worried about $1 Billion when we want to cut trillions.

I swear, the left is full of fucking morons that think money is limitless.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Read it and weep: Where Does the Tea Party Come From? | Politeia | Big Think

My take:

Rick Santelli’s Planted Rant ? | The Big Picture

“How did a minor-league TV figure, whose contract with CNBC is due this summer, get so quickly launched into a nationwide rightwing blog sensation? Why were there so many sites and organizations online and live within minutes or hours after his rant, leading to a nationwide protest just a week after his rant?

What hasn’t been reported until now is evidence linking Santelli’s “tea party” rant with some very familiar names in the Republican rightwing machine, from PR operatives who specialize in imitation-grassroots PR campaigns (called “astroturfing”) to bigwig politicians and notorious billionaire funders. As veteran Russia reporters, both of us spent years watching the Kremlin use fake grassroots movements to influence and control the political landscape. To us, the uncanny speed and direction the movement took and the players involved in promoting it had a strangely forced quality to it. If it seemed scripted, that’s because it was.

What we discovered is that Santelli’s “rant” was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a “Chicago Tea Party” was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.”

Idiot,

A c-p is not "your take", it's someone elses take.

Try free thinking, I know it's hard for leftist to do, but it can be refreashing to have your own opinion.

 

[Dot Com]

Anybody see this?

Anti-earmark Tea Party Caucus takes $1 billion in earmarks | Exclusives - Yahoo! News

"It's disturbing to see the Tea Party Caucus requested that much in earmarks. This is their time to put up or shut up, to be blunt," said David Williams, vice president for policy at Citizens Against Government Waste. "There's going to be a huge backlash if they continue to request earmarks."

The debt is over $14.4 TRILLION. that ".4" Is $400 Billion.


Please explain why you and yours are against cutting spending at all?

the dangers of getting on a high horse is that it's easy to pull you off.

you're worried about $1 Billion when we want to cut trillions.

I swear, the left is full of fucking morons that think money is limitless.

Ummm.....they ran on a platform decrying earmarks/pork. Nice try though.

 

[Claudette]

Seems that, unlike what especially many on the right like to say, which is that the Tea Party consists of many Independents and Democrats, that it is in fact, a spin-off of disgruntled Republicans. Which many, espeically on the Left have been saying for the last 3 years.

In fact, Tea Party supporters were for the most part activist Republicans well before both the financial crisis and before Obama’s election. Campbell and Putnam found that Republican affiliation was actually the single strongest predictor of Tea Party support, and that Tea Party supporters were more likely than other people to have lobbied their public officials before.

Today’s Tea Party supporters are disproportionately white social conservatives, who, Campbell and Putnam say, “had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and still do.” And while Tea Party leaders say their main concern is limiting the size of government, Campbell and Putnam found that the cause that really unites rank-and-file Tea Partiers is a desire for more religion in government. Campbell and Putnam argue that their public devotion—not their ideas about taxes—explains the appeal of figures like Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) and Texas governor Rick Perry to the Tea Party.

Read it and weep: Where Does the Tea Party Come From? | Politeia | Big Think

Marc, do you really believe this??

Here's my take on the TEA Party.............some of these folks have been around a long time, they saw the writing on the wall long ago. The government has been spending out of control for many years. When every person that applied for a mortgage (black, white, yellow, brown, pink and purple) qualified, it was the beginning of the end.

I don't like debt at all, however as a reasonable person I realize it's sometimes necessary. Unfortunately most people don't realize what a $200-$300,000.00 mortgage will do their bottom line if someone loses their job.

Our government in DC today doesn't understand that concept either. The TEA Party is a group of people that is tired of the pork, special deals, the sweet congressional and government pay packages and the out of control spending.

What this report tells me is that some folks are beginning to take these people a little more seriously and they are getting scared......their free ride is being threatened and they don't like it. It only sends me the message that someone is ruffling the right feathers.

Bingo.

Also, I've been to a few local TP events and met many people. I'm sure the Dems I met would be happy to learn that they are all Rep activists. LMAO