I'm not anti-semitic, so I don't have any anti-semitic tripe. But you most certainly have anti-Christian tripe. So I'm beginning to see why SOME Jews were treated so poorly throughout history. They probably acted like you and someone put them in their place. Rightfully so.
Zone1 Where does it say in the Bible only adults can be baptized?
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Right.
If that was true you wouldn't worship an imaginary trinity that diddled a virgin to become a man who was derided, rejected, tortured, and crucified as a perfect human sacrifice to himself so that you can be an asshole and sin with impunity for life because he loved the Roman world so much.
You might not realize this ding (go figure) but some things just can't be faked. You are such a dick
It is true. 100% true. You will bow your knee to him.Right.
If that was true you wouldn't worship an imaginary trinity that diddled a virgin to become a man who was derided, rejected, tortured, and crucified as a perfect human sacrifice to himself so that you can be an asshole and sin with impunity for life because he loved the Roman world so much.
You might not realize this ding (go figure) but some things just can't be faked. You are such a dick
John 8:58
that post wasn't directed to you. It was to Donald H, Whats with you guys? Pay attention numbskull
Your hatred and vitriol have no bounds or limits.
John 8:58 says that can be arranged.
norwegen
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Blah blah blah. Pay attention! Blah blah blah.
Incorrect, in my opinion.
Genesis 1:
Origin of the Universe.[b]
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.[c] 2 The earth was formless and barren, and darkness covered the abyss while the Spirit of God hovered over the waters.
In my opinion, "The Earth" is what we understand as the Universe. In the beginning, it was "Formless (No height, No width, No space as we understand it) - the Universe was what we would call a "void" and only "The Spirit of God" (which potentially could include the blue prints/design/DNA of creation - Space, Height, Width, Time and potentially dimensions we cannot comprehend or see (The Spirit World, Earthly realms, heavenly realms to the faithful- Dark Matter, Dark Energy, higher/multiple dimensions to Science)
- Modern science states that time itself is a spacial dimension - no different that height, width and space
NOTE: The "Spirit of God hovered over waters" - which would likely mean that time was not yet a part of "the darkness and the abyss",
3 God said, “Let there be light!” And there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 And he called the light day, and he called the darkness night. This was the evening and the morning of the first day.
(To the faithful this could be the design of the Spiritual "Heavenly Realms - full of Light and of Spiritual darker realms - representing darkness' To Science this could be the separation of what can bee seen by the eye or a standard telescope from what can only be seen through special telescopes, machines, - infra red, etc
"The first day" establishes a spiritual concept of 'time" although time itself has not yet been implemented physically.
6 God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters to separate one set of waters from the other.”[d] 7 God separated the firmament from the waters, those waters that are under the firmament from those that are above the firmament. And it was so. 8 God called the firmament the heavens. This was the evening and the morning of the second day.
The "Firmament" in my humble opinion, is the substance that separates our Earthly realm from potentially other physical realms and Spiritual Realms . To Science it could the the fabric of the Universe that separates our 3 dimensional world from other/multiple dimensions/parallel universes, etc.
9 God said, “Let the waters that are under the heavens be gathered into one place and let a dry place appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry place the land, and the gathered waters he called the sea. And God saw that it was good.
This, in my opinion, is when the initial design for 'physical matter" was put into place. It also establishes order governing the physical matter of the physical world.
11 God said, “Let the land bring forth plants, those that produce seeds and fruit trees that have seeds inside of the fruit they bear, each according to its own kind. And it was so. 12 The land brought forth plants, each according to its kind, and trees that have fruit with seeds inside of them, each according to its kind.” God saw that they were good. 13 This was the evening and the morning of the third day.
This was the initial design of life - the DNA of life as we know it, imo.
14 God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; let them be markers to separate seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light to the earth.” And it was so.
This was the final design stage of creation , imo- conceptualized and already realized on a Spiritual level and created on a multi-dimensional level but not yet "physically created". (If you pay close attention everything stated up to this point is "SPOKEN" which would refer to design and implementation on a Spiritual Level. This is also the design of "time" as it would be implemented in the physical world.
16 God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule over the day and the lesser light to rule over the night, and he also made the stars.
This could refer to what we understand as the "Big Bang". The "Light" That rules over the day could be the physical energy and light of the Universe as we see it and understand it - the same energy and light that powers the Universe as we see it - Scientifically Nuclear Fission/Fusion, among many other things (And It's likely more complex than that - but that's our current scientific level of understanding.)
"The lesser light" could be what we cannot see - Science would refer to it as Dark Energy and/or Dark Matter.
17 God placed them in the firmament of the heavens to light the earth 18 and to rule over the day and the night and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 This was the evening and the morning of the fourth day.
THIS IS AT THE EARLIEST TIME WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AS A DIMENSION WITHIN CREATION, imo.
Purely science fiction (as of now) - "God places Nuclear Fission/Fusion (The greater light) and "Dark Energy/Matter" (The lesser light) within the "Heavens" so that it will 'RULE over the day and the night'
.According to science - At the center of our galaxy there is what is known as a Super Massive Black Hole (Dark - the lesser light) - which has enough power and force to "order" millions of entire solar systems to orbit around it; at tens of thousands of miles per hour Science is also discovering that black holes could be "bi-products" of Dark Matter.
Exotic black holes could be a byproduct of dark matter
In the first quintillionth of a second, the universe may have sprouted microscopic black holes with enormous amounts of nuclear charge, MIT physicists propose. The gravitational pull from these tiny, invisible objects could potentially explain all the dark matter that we can’t see today.
news.mit.edu
Our solar system, also has a gravitational source at the center of it - our Sun (Bright - the greater light) - which has a similar effect on planets - and governs "The Day".
God places both "A greater light to govern the day - LIFE AS WE KNOW IT - (The Sun (Bright; the greater 'light' - Nuclear Fusion/Fission) and a "Lesser light" - Black holes (Dark - the 'lesser light' - by products of "Dark Matter" to govern the night - The order within the Galaxies of the Universe.
These same substances that govern the "day" and "night" are part of a nearly perfect system that allows our Moon to be in the exact spot needed to be in order to help sustain life on Earth.
20 God said, “Let the waters be filled with living creatures and let birds fly above the earth in the firmament of the heavens.” 21 God created the great sea creatures and all the other creatures that fill the waters, each according to its kind, and all the birds that fly in the sky, each according to its kind. 22 God blessed them saying, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters of the sea, and let the birds multiply upon the earth.” 23 And this was the evening and the morning of the fifth day.
God implements his creation in the physical realm.
24 God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures each according to its kind: cattle and reptiles and wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the savage beasts according to their kind and the cattle according to their kind and all of the reptiles according to their kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, “Let us[e] make man in our image and likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the wild animals and reptiles that crawl upon the earth.”
27 God created mankind in his image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and told them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth; subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the seas and over the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves upon the earth.”
29 And God said, “Behold, I give you every plant that produces seeds upon the earth and every tree that has fruit with its seed inside of it: these shall be your food. 30 And I give all green plants to every wild animal and to all the birds of the air and to all creatures that move upon the surface of the earth and that have the breath of life in them.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and behold, it was very good. This was the evening and the morning of the sixth day.
This shows God's love for mankind - allowing mankind to govern his creation.
2:
1 This is how the heavens and the earth and everything in them were made.
2 [a]God completed his work on the seventh day and on the seventh day he rested from all of his work. 3 God blessed the seventh day and he consecrated it, for on it he rested from all the work he had done when he created all things.
This denotes the end of "the design and implementation" of creation. From this point forward, it "should be" a perfect, nearly infinite ecosystem - with a larger, nearly infinite Universe.
4 This was the origin of the heavens and the earth when they were first created.
Our current Civilization on Earth began approximately 6,000 years ago - hence the story of "Adam & Eve" - which explains the history of Mankind.
The story of Adam and Eve is what describes the "dawn of civilization" - and yes, that can naturally come ages after the original Creation - meaning that most things were likely already in place - design, the blue print, the DNA for life and some may have already (including plant life, sea life, animals and some form of humans) when our current civilization began approximately 6000 years ago.
"1000 years to God can be one day to mankind" - This is a euphemism that helps people understand that time itself is very much a part of creation and that God exists (or can exist) outside the realms of time.
Is the Universe 4 billion years old? 8 billion years old? It sure could be. Is time, within our "firmament" 4 billion? 8 billion years old? It can be - because time does indeed go back that far. And yet - it likely has not been a part of our "world" for anywhere near that long.
Long story short, unless we are willing to "open our minds" to faith, science and reason - we won't ever come close to comprehending the creation of the world - and even if we do open up our minds - through "faith, science and reason" - we will only be able to grasp bits and pieces.
Isaiah 55:
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord.
9 As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts above your thoughts.
Some folks would look at this as God saying, "I'm better than you" And nothing could be further from the truth. This is God stating that he understands the reason we act the way we do and that we can't judge ourselves according to God's standards.
He is also stating that some of his words may not make sense to people - or seem harsh - or even false - even a "myth". But then he assures us that:
10 For just as the rain and the snow
come down from the heavens
and do not return there
until they have watered the earth,
making it fertile and fruitful,
giving seed for the one who sows
and bread for those who eat,
11 so shall my word be
that issues forth from my mouth.
It will not return to me unfulfilled,
but it will accomplish my purpose
and achieve what I sent it forth to do
This is God stating that every word that "issues from his mouth" will not return unfulfilled - including every word of Creation and Genesis.
All that said, I firmly believe there is a lot we do not know or understand about the Universe itself - space, time etc - we base our knowledge from observations - which likely will be better understood as time goes on.
I wouldn't surprised if one day we discover that the Earth itself could be both spherical and flat (dependent on where you view it from within the Universe and/or realm/dimension.
Keep this in mind - someone living in a 2 dimensional world - let's say living on a flat piece of paper - would view their world in 2 dimensions. They wouldn't realize they are living on a flat piece of paper. But to us, their world looks just like a "flat piece of paper". If life exists in a 5th or 6th dimension, what would our planet and solar system look like from there? What would the Universe look like?
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So what. The genesis account has absolutely nothing to do with the beginning of the universe.
"In the beginning" the world (not the universe) was without shape or form (lawless) and void (exceedingly pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown).
Then the 'Spirit of God' HOVERED OVER THE WATERS and said "let there be light" then Law was given, as a light to the nations, dividing day from night, clean from unclean, true from false, good from evil, life from death, creating heaven, a world above, and earth, the world below, on this planet that had been already in existence for 4.5 billions of years, Jane, you ignorant slut.
The Law was given "as a light to the nations" by benevolent "otherworldly beings" from another sphere of intelligent life who brought instruction from God to the pitiful inhabitants of the earth thousands of years before voyager was sent into deep space to look for signs of intelligent life.
Visitations by superior intelligences have been happening on this planet ever since long before the first human being was born evolved intelligent and aware enough to wonder what a fart was.
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This entire post has already been answered. I even hinted at the philosophical aspects of it - which you are referring to.
God IS The Father - The Son - The Holy Spirit.
And you don't need a mustard seed of spirituality or religion to grasp this basic concept. (But without faith - which is a dimension within itself - it can be difficult).
God created the Universe and everything within it. Through the power of the Holy Spirit and His Son - he established "The Law", Civilization and granted redemption for mankind.
Apparently your "God" created the Earth.
(Not sure how that's even possible, all things considering - it would be the equivalent of you busting into the palace of Versaille with a bulldozer, bringing your own crew in, wrecking everything in site, destroying the roads, breaking sewage pipes, power lines - breaking down their palace - using scraps and their furniture to build a shack in the middle of their garden.)
I mean - that's what mankind has basically done to Earth so if that's what your God did - he's not a God and no different than man.
Why not read AND comprehend what is given to you before calling folks, "ignorant"?
That's your homework. I'll be quizzing you on your next post.
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No. Pay attention!
God "created heaven and earth", on this planet that was flat, without shape or form (lawless) and void (exceedingly pointless , for billions and billions of years, the law of the jungle and all of that.
Why not? I can smell a pig from a mile away. And what "folks" do you mean? I was talking to you.
My God gave human beings the means to improve their experience of life. Clear instruction on how to have abundant blessings and peace on earth. Those who set aside that teaching, like you, and seek spiritual life from the lifeless work of human hands fuck up their world all on their own.
God said long ago, "Never again will I pity the inhabitants of the earth." I'm almost at that point...
PAY ATTENTION!
He who leads to captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword
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LOL....No.
There is one incorporeal God, who has no visible shape or material form, and there is no other God in existence either equal to, above, or below him which precludes the existence of a trinity.
You have swallowed bread baked on human dung and are suffering the terrifying consequences.
I agree that you are having a profound religious experience in church, its just not a good one. You die every time you defy the law of God and desecrate the teachings of Jesus at mass, never finding peace in death. And so this little piggy goes Whee! Whee! Whee! all the way to Gehenna.
You need to stop trying to convince me that the way to eternal life is by defying the Law of God.
You are very lucky that I am feeling generous today.
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See Matthew 28:19-20, turd burglar.
"Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. when they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.
Jesus said, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit.""Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. when they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"
He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword.
Where did he get this authority, turd burglar?
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never said by jesus ...
bing the crucifier, liar joins those who made up the above as their own makebelieve religion they wrote in the 4th century - christian bible ... having nothing to do w/ the events of the 1st century.
Matthew 28:19-20 and the written manuscripts say otherwise.
From God who told him to smite the nations with a curse under the appearance of a cup of wine.
From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to SMITE THE NATIONS.
"Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. when they have drunk it they will vomit and go mad; such is the sword that I am sending among them"
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