Where do religious folk who are climate deniers reconcile this?

[Thunk]

What is the solution to climate change?

What do the politicians pushing climate change want to do to combat it?

If you don't know I will tell you...they want to tax the living shit out of us by taxing all forms of energy (even higher than they're already taxed).

So how will that solve the problem???

It wont...but it will sure make those politicians richer!

 

[westwall]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

Modeling is not data. Non scientists can't seem to understand this simple fact.

Computer models are FICTION.

 

[Dr Grump]

. It's even more difficult to believe the universe, all the billions of stars, planets, etc and the laws that governs it all, just happens to exist...like a Sears washing machine that just happens to sit on the backside of Mars.

Really? No, i find it much more difficult to believe some omnipotent being went 'abracadabra'. Especially when said being is made from several other previous religions. Plus I find it strange that the vast majorities of believers of any god in particular happen to be born in a particular place where they have been taught by their forebears that their particular incarnation is the 'true' one god etc etc.

 

[Dr Grump]

Modeling is not data. Non scientists can't seem to understand this simple fact.

Computer models are FICTION.

And yet time and time again (not talking climate change in particular here) scientists model certain things and say "in five years time such and such will happen if this, this and this occurs." And lo and behold, it happens. Accidental maybe? Lucky?

 

[Dr Grump]

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2) When different scientists model climate change in different parts of the world and come to similar conclusions then I think it pertinent to listen.

Most of those scientists do not get their degrees and jobs without climbing aboard the Prog Socialist Globalist agendas.[/QUOTE]

I think there is a conspiracy theory section on this board somewhere. Please keep you comments to those threads. Ta

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Sounds more like AGW alarmist extremists who rely on propaganda in lieu of objective scientific observation tend to be mostly atheistic in keeping with Marxism.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

Not really into switching religion
I was born Christian I'll die a Christian

Watermelons cult of con artists......no thanks

 

[22lcidw]

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2) When different scientists model climate change in different parts of the world and come to similar conclusions then I think it pertinent to listen.

Most of those scientists do not get their degrees and jobs without climbing aboard the Prog Socialist Globalist agendas.

I think there is a conspiracy theory section on this board somewhere. Please keep you comments to those threads. Ta[/QUOTE]
It still is the truth. Now lets pray that the Chinese get to the moon before our Prog socialist nasa does.

 

[satrebil]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

I'll give you several reasons why climate change is complete and utter bullshit.

1) According to your "science" the last ice age ended approximately 15,000 years ago. What ended it, smartass? Humans and their campfires? Or was it the natural progression of our planet's climate cycle?

2) Carbon taxes. Your climate change proponents rant, rave, and froth at the mouth about climate change, yet at the same time unite strongly behind carbon credits, which is essentially a government permission slip stating "yeah, you make a lot of pollution, but if you pay us enough money we'll let you do it anyways." Liars.

3) Coastal property. Throughout the entire world, coastal property is being developed like mad. Tell me something, genius... if the oceans are going to rise and the coasts are going to be wiped out - who the FUCK would finance this? You really expect me to believe that banks would front untold billions of dollars in the face of a GUARANTEE that it's going to be wiped out in a decade's time? Moreover: Insurance companies - one of the most cutthroat & profit driven industries on the planet. In 2008, in my locale, there was a 500 year flood. The river swelled and wiped out a bunch of houses, something that has never happened in my towns 150+ year history, causing insurance companies to pay through the nose. Beautiful, high end, $400,000+ upper middle class homes. Guess what happened? Even on a FIVE HUNDRED YEAR FUCKING FLOOD they won't insure these properties under standard homeowners insurance anymore, nor will the banks finance them. If you want to sell one of these homes now you need a cash buyer who's willing to pay an exorbitant premium for flood insurance. Yet you would have me believe these same insurance companies, who spend millions of dollars investigating their investments, are going to insure multi-billion coastal dollar developments that are assured to be destroyed before the policy nets them a profit?

And if #3 is not proof enough for you, then ask yourself why the Obama's - climate change 'champions' that they were - just bought a $15 million mansion on a fucking island in Martha's vineyard that's a mere 3 FUCKING FEET above sea level: What is my elevation?

This is what is called common sense. If you pulled your head out of Rachel Maddow's ass for 2 seconds, it might just click to you.

 

[Indeependent]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

My cousin through marriage is an Ecological Engineer.
Climate Change is real and will be perceived by humans in the US within the next 500 years.
It won't affect us but will be perceived.
Now stick it up your ass.

 

[Dr Grump]

Sounds more like AGW alarmist extremists who rely on propaganda in lieu of objective scientific observation tend to be mostly atheistic in keeping with Marxism.

more conspiracy shit, nothing to back it up..

 

[Dr Grump]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

My cousin through marriage is an Ecological Engineer.
Climate Change is real and will be perceived by humans in the US within the next 500 years.
It won't affect us but will be perceived.
Now stick it up your ass.

????

 

[Dr Grump]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

I'll give you several reasons why climate change is complete and utter bullshit.

1) According to your "science" the last ice age ended approximately 15,000 years ago. What ended it, smartass? Humans and their campfires? Or was it the natural progression of our planet's climate cycle?

2) Carbon taxes. Your climate change proponents rant, rave, and froth at the mouth about climate change, yet at the same time unite strongly behind carbon credits, which is essentially a government permission slip stating "yeah, you make a lot of pollution, but if you pay us enough money we'll let you do it anyways." Liars.

3) Coastal property. Throughout the entire world, coastal property is being developed like mad. Tell me something, genius... if the oceans are going to rise and the coasts are going to be wiped out - who the FUCK would finance this? You really expect me to believe that banks would front untold billions of dollars in the face of a GUARANTEE that it's going to be wiped out in a decade's time? Moreover: Insurance companies - one of the most cutthroat & profit driven industries on the planet. In 2008, in my locale, there was a 500 year flood. The river swelled and wiped out a bunch of houses, something that has never happened in my towns 150+ year history, causing insurance companies to pay through the nose. Beautiful, high end, $400,000+ upper middle class homes. Guess what happened? Even on a FIVE HUNDRED YEAR FUCKING FLOOD they won't insure these properties under standard homeowners insurance anymore, nor will the banks finance them. If you want to sell one of these homes now you need a cash buyer who's willing to pay an exorbitant premium for flood insurance. Yet you would have me believe these same insurance companies, who spend millions of dollars investigating their investments, are going to insure multi-billion coastal dollar developments that are assured to be destroyed before the policy nets them a profit?

And if #3 is not proof enough for you, then ask yourself why the Obama's - climate change 'champions' that they were - just bought a $15 million mansion on a fucking island in Martha's vineyard that's a mere 3 FUCKING FEET above sea level: What is my elevation?

This is what is called common sense. If you pulled your head out of Rachel Maddow's ass for 2 seconds, it might just click to you.

1) I reiterate YET again. Nobody is saying that the earth doesn't go through warming and ice ages. Everybody on both sides agree it does. What those that know what damage man made climate change is doing to the planet know, is that it is happening at an alarmingly faster rate than has naturally occurred before.

2) Those carbon credits are trying to get people to reduce their emissions. If they do, then the less they pay. Sounds good to me. And lookie, it reduces the pollution in the air. Only a complete whackjob would not be happy about that.

3) No, I don't think those companies will insure those houses.
Climate change could slash $571b from property values, study warns

oh, and an FYI, I never once seen a programme with Rachel Maddow in it. Seen the odd sound bite but know little about her other than she seems to cause neocon whackadoodles to go into meltdown, which suggests she's pretty intelligent.

 

[satrebil]

You will never get the experience to know that there really is a God if you only go looking for evidence.

Through faith you will.

Exactly. Faith. And it just so happens if you are born in Israel, your God is the only one. If you are born in Saudi Arabia, allah is the one and Mohammad the prophet. And if you are born in the Bible Belt Jesus is the one yadda, yadda yadda. You do realise a lot - and I mean an absolute shitload - of allegories surrounding Christianity for example such as the virgin birth and turning water in wine etc - are from other religions preceding Christianity. You do know that right?

Gosh, I sure do love it when the atheists try to tell us what our religious texts REALLY say. Read closely, dumbfuck, because I'm about to educate your stupid ass: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are ALL what are called Abrahamic religions, and ALL have the same God - whether he's referred to as God, Allah, or Yahweh.

But here's the differences, and clearly what you DON'T know:

1) You bring up Israel. Most Jews do not believe in Christ - aka CHRISTianity. Of the entire world population of Jews (estimated at 14.5 million) only about 350,000 are "Messianic Jews" who could be considered 'Christians'. (Messianic Jews – Facts & Truth about Israel) If you had the foggiest fucking clue what you were talking about, you might know that it was Jews who killed Christ by labeling him a false Messiah, thereby typically positioning Christianity and Judaism at odds with eachother.
2) In Islam Jesus is considered a prophet as opposed to the Son of God, and therefore a minor figure in the grand scheme of Abrahamic religion. Islam is definitively NOT Christian.
3) In Christianity, which encompasses Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Protestants, and a host of other smaller sects - Christ is the Son of God and divine in his own right.

Next time you decide to go off on an anti-religious tirade try knowing what the fuck you're talking about first.

 

[fncceo]

Climate denier?
What a retarded description of someone.

What they really mean to say is 'climate heretic'.

They're getting the stakes ready.

 

[Indeependent]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

My cousin through marriage is an Ecological Engineer.
Climate Change is real and will be perceived by humans in the US within the next 500 years.
It won't affect us but will be perceived.
Now stick it up your ass.

????

In about 100 years, NYC's temps will go from (-5 to 95) to (0 to 100)...how brutal.
And that presumes that production of end use materials doesn't use even less energy that it currently takes to produce a bag, carton or plastic container.

 

[fncceo]

you might know that it was Jews who killed Christ

But we got off on a technicality.

 

[Dr Grump]

You will never get the experience to know that there really is a God if you only go looking for evidence.

Through faith you will.

Exactly. Faith. And it just so happens if you are born in Israel, your God is the only one. If you are born in Saudi Arabia, allah is the one and Mohammad the prophet. And if you are born in the Bible Belt Jesus is the one yadda, yadda yadda. You do realise a lot - and I mean an absolute shitload - of allegories surrounding Christianity for example such as the virgin birth and turning water in wine etc - are from other religions preceding Christianity. You do know that right?

Gosh, I sure do love it when the atheists try to tell us what our religious texts REALLY say. Read closely, dumbfuck, because I'm about to educate your stupid ass: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are ALL what are called Abrahamic religions, and ALL have the same God - whether he's referred to as God, Allah, or Yahweh.

But here's the differences, and clearly what you DON'T know:

1) You bring up Israel. Most Jews do not believe in Christ - aka CHRISTianity. Of the entire world population of Jews (estimated at 14.5 million) only about 350,000 are "Messianic Jews" who could be considered 'Christians'. (Messianic Jews – Facts & Truth about Israel) If you had the foggiest fucking clue what you were talking about, you might know that it was Jews who killed Christ by labeling him a false Messiah, thereby typically positioning Christianity and Judaism at odds with eachother.
2) In Islam Jesus is considered a prophet as opposed to the Son of God, and therefore a minor figure in the grand scheme of Abrahamic religion. Islam is definitively NOT Christian.
3) In Christianity, which encompasses Methodists, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Protestants, and a host of other smaller sects - Christ is the Son of God and divine in his own right.

Next time you decide to go off on an anti-religious tirade try knowing what the fuck you're talking about first.

FFS. You totally missed my point. And you have taught be nothing I didn't already know. Jaysus....

 

[satrebil]

Not too sure if this is current events (climate change) or religion (Christianity).

Climate deniers are always rambling on about empirical evidence not being available on humans causing climate change (even though scientists use the well-proven and peer-reviewed modelling method that show unequivocally that we are having a negative effect), yet there is absolutely zero evidence of a god. Only faith. It seems - and I'm only going on anecdotal evidence on this board - that almost all climate-change-is-being-caused-by-humans deniers are conservatives, and quite a few are Christians. Seems hypocrisy to me...

I'll give you several reasons why climate change is complete and utter bullshit.

1) According to your "science" the last ice age ended approximately 15,000 years ago. What ended it, smartass? Humans and their campfires? Or was it the natural progression of our planet's climate cycle?

2) Carbon taxes. Your climate change proponents rant, rave, and froth at the mouth about climate change, yet at the same time unite strongly behind carbon credits, which is essentially a government permission slip stating "yeah, you make a lot of pollution, but if you pay us enough money we'll let you do it anyways." Liars.

3) Coastal property. Throughout the entire world, coastal property is being developed like mad. Tell me something, genius... if the oceans are going to rise and the coasts are going to be wiped out - who the FUCK would finance this? You really expect me to believe that banks would front untold billions of dollars in the face of a GUARANTEE that it's going to be wiped out in a decade's time? Moreover: Insurance companies - one of the most cutthroat & profit driven industries on the planet. In 2008, in my locale, there was a 500 year flood. The river swelled and wiped out a bunch of houses, something that has never happened in my towns 150+ year history, causing insurance companies to pay through the nose. Beautiful, high end, $400,000+ upper middle class homes. Guess what happened? Even on a FIVE HUNDRED YEAR FUCKING FLOOD they won't insure these properties under standard homeowners insurance anymore, nor will the banks finance them. If you want to sell one of these homes now you need a cash buyer who's willing to pay an exorbitant premium for flood insurance. Yet you would have me believe these same insurance companies, who spend millions of dollars investigating their investments, are going to insure multi-billion coastal dollar developments that are assured to be destroyed before the policy nets them a profit?

And if #3 is not proof enough for you, then ask yourself why the Obama's - climate change 'champions' that they were - just bought a $15 million mansion on a fucking island in Martha's vineyard that's a mere 3 FUCKING FEET above sea level: What is my elevation?

This is what is called common sense. If you pulled your head out of Rachel Maddow's ass for 2 seconds, it might just click to you.

1) I reiterate YET again. Nobody is saying that the earth doesn't go through warming and ice ages. Everybody on both sides agree it does. What those that know what damage man made climate change is doing to the planet know, is that it is happening at an alarmingly faster rate than has naturally occurred before.

2) Those carbon credits are trying to get people to reduce their emissions. If they do, then the less they pay. Sounds good to me. And lookie, it reduces the pollution in the air. Only a complete whackjob would not be happy about that.

3) No, I don't think those companies will insure those houses.
Climate change could slash $571b from property values, study warns

oh, and an FYI, I never once seen a programme with Rachel Maddow in it. Seen the odd sound bite but know little about her other than she seems to cause neocon whackadoodles to go into meltdown, which suggests she's pretty intelligent.

1) Bullshit. Tell me, brainlet, what was the temperature in your locale on 10/6 in the year 1316? How about 6589 BC? Oh... you don't know? Then shut the fuck up. You don't have a goddamn clue what "man made climate change" is doing because there's not enough recorded data to tell you one way or the other. At BEST we've only been recording it for 200 years, which is but an infentismal spec in the grand scheme of things.

2) Let me know when those "carbon credits" apply to China or India who are not subject to nor give a fuck about our feel good nonsense.

3) What you 'believe' is irrelevant. The developments are happening. Local Perspective

And you failed to answer why the Obama's bought a $15 million mansion 3 feet above sea level. Do explain.

 

[DOTR]

Climate denier?
What a retarded description of someone.