Where did Syria get chemical weapons ??

[NYcarbineer]

The WMD programs that Bush alleged Saddam had, in order for Bush to dupe us into a war,

would have required thousands of Iraqis working in them, both military and non-military.

And yet,

we never found any of those people. Irrefutable proof that the WMD's did not exist.

what did he use on the Kurds ??

Don't change the subject. If Saddam had a nuclear program going, a biological weapons program going,

where are the people who worked on those programs?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush invoked the vision of a mushroom cloud, not a mustard gas cloud.

 

[skye]

what did he use on the Kurds ??

Exactly.

"Iraqi forces used multiple chemical agents during the attack, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX "

To deny that Iraq had chemical weapons is simply foolish!

Iraq also had UN inspectors to locate and oversee the destruction of WMD. Having what became to be called WMD, meaning chemical and biological weapons has never been disputed in Iraq's past. We know they used these weapons against Iran when they were being overrun and against the Kurds. There is a dispute about those weapons existing when we invaded Iraq and that dispute is made by right-wingers trying to justify attacking a country that didn't have WMD. This attempt to claim Syria obtained WMD from Iraq is another baseless argument. It presupposes that Syria has to get WMD from some other sources than simply making it themselves. Syria has a population of over 22.5 million people (over 72% of Iraq's population) and it isn't some backward country. Syria has ties with Israel's archenemy Iran and countries like China and Russia. There is a Russian naval base in Syria. Syria has dominated Lebanon for years, until recently turning the job over to Hezbollah, who acts on their behalf and on the behalf of Iran. The only thing you need to make chemical and biological weapons are supplies that are legal to trade to a foreign government. It isn't that hard to set up such a program in a state with the military in control. Syria has the 16th largest active military in the world, which is about as much as France has, though Syria has four and a half times the reserve military as France. The fact that Syria has had chemical and biological weapons has been common knowledge for decades and predates the Iraq War. How do you explain that?

This is what I said in post #4



-Assad and his father for decades had the resources and strong ties to their allies, mainly Iran and also North Korea, they had the ability and resources to develop their own stockpiles.

It is possible that Hussein as the war approached moved some of the WMD materials to Syria, there are some reports about that but the information is not conclusive.-





But the fact that Iraq had chemical or biological weapons when it was invaded is a possibility, chemical weapon don't dissapear POOF!!!! in the air.

 

[g5000]

Exactly.

"Iraqi forces used multiple chemical agents during the attack, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX "

To deny that Iraq had chemical weapons is simply foolish!

Iraq also had UN inspectors to locate and oversee the destruction of WMD. Having what became to be called WMD, meaning chemical and biological weapons has never been disputed in Iraq's past. We know they used these weapons against Iran when they were being overrun and against the Kurds. There is a dispute about those weapons existing when we invaded Iraq and that dispute is made by right-wingers trying to justify attacking a country that didn't have WMD. This attempt to claim Syria obtained WMD from Iraq is another baseless argument. It presupposes that Syria has to get WMD from some other sources than simply making it themselves. Syria has a population of over 22.5 million people (over 72% of Iraq's population) and it isn't some backward country. Syria has ties with Israel's archenemy Iran and countries like China and Russia. There is a Russian naval base in Syria. Syria has dominated Lebanon for years, until recently turning the job over to Hezbollah, who acts on their behalf and on the behalf of Iran. The only thing you need to make chemical and biological weapons are supplies that are legal to trade to a foreign government. It isn't that hard to set up such a program in a state with the military in control. Syria has the 16th largest active military in the world, which is about as much as France has, though Syria has four and a half times the reserve military as France. The fact that Syria has had chemical and biological weapons has been common knowledge for decades and predates the Iraq War. How do you explain that?

This is what I said in post #4



-Assad and his father for decades had the resources and strong ties to their allies, mainly Iran and also North Korea, they had the ability and resources to develop their own stockpiles.

It is possible that Hussein as the war approached moved some of the WMD materials to Syria, there are some reports about that but the information is not conclusive.-





But the fact that Iraq had chemical or biological weapons when it was invaded is a possibility, chemical weapon don't dissapear POOF!!!! in the air.

But as has been shown time and time and time and time again to you idiots, any sarin precursors Hussein may or may not have had do have a shelf life that expired at least five years ago. So let it penetrate your thick skulls that Syria did not get its existing sarin from Saddam Hussein. If you were actually interested in the truth, you would.

You all are getting very tiresome.

 

[skye]

Iraq also had UN inspectors to locate and oversee the destruction of WMD. Having what became to be called WMD, meaning chemical and biological weapons has never been disputed in Iraq's past. We know they used these weapons against Iran when they were being overrun and against the Kurds. There is a dispute about those weapons existing when we invaded Iraq and that dispute is made by right-wingers trying to justify attacking a country that didn't have WMD. This attempt to claim Syria obtained WMD from Iraq is another baseless argument. It presupposes that Syria has to get WMD from some other sources than simply making it themselves. Syria has a population of over 22.5 million people (over 72% of Iraq's population) and it isn't some backward country. Syria has ties with Israel's archenemy Iran and countries like China and Russia. There is a Russian naval base in Syria. Syria has dominated Lebanon for years, until recently turning the job over to Hezbollah, who acts on their behalf and on the behalf of Iran. The only thing you need to make chemical and biological weapons are supplies that are legal to trade to a foreign government. It isn't that hard to set up such a program in a state with the military in control. Syria has the 16th largest active military in the world, which is about as much as France has, though Syria has four and a half times the reserve military as France. The fact that Syria has had chemical and biological weapons has been common knowledge for decades and predates the Iraq War. How do you explain that?

This is what I said in post #4



-Assad and his father for decades had the resources and strong ties to their allies, mainly Iran and also North Korea, they had the ability and resources to develop their own stockpiles.

It is possible that Hussein as the war approached moved some of the WMD materials to Syria, there are some reports about that but the information is not conclusive.-





But the fact that Iraq had chemical or biological weapons when it was invaded is a possibility, chemical weapon don't dissapear POOF!!!! in the air.

But as has been shown time and time and time and time again to you idiots, any sarin precursors Hussein may or may not have had do have a shelf life that expired at least five years ago. So let it penetrate your thick skulls that Syria did not get its existing sarin from Saddam Hussein. If you were actually interested in the truth, you would.

You all are getting very tiresome.

Saddam also had mustard gas and the nerve agents tabun and VX ...apart from sarin.


If you feel tired go to sleep.

 

[Dubya]

Exactly.

"Iraqi forces used multiple chemical agents during the attack, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX "

To deny that Iraq had chemical weapons is simply foolish!

Iraq also had UN inspectors to locate and oversee the destruction of WMD. Having what became to be called WMD, meaning chemical and biological weapons has never been disputed in Iraq's past. We know they used these weapons against Iran when they were being overrun and against the Kurds. There is a dispute about those weapons existing when we invaded Iraq and that dispute is made by right-wingers trying to justify attacking a country that didn't have WMD. This attempt to claim Syria obtained WMD from Iraq is another baseless argument. It presupposes that Syria has to get WMD from some other sources than simply making it themselves. Syria has a population of over 22.5 million people (over 72% of Iraq's population) and it isn't some backward country. Syria has ties with Israel's archenemy Iran and countries like China and Russia. There is a Russian naval base in Syria. Syria has dominated Lebanon for years, until recently turning the job over to Hezbollah, who acts on their behalf and on the behalf of Iran. The only thing you need to make chemical and biological weapons are supplies that are legal to trade to a foreign government. It isn't that hard to set up such a program in a state with the military in control. Syria has the 16th largest active military in the world, which is about as much as France has, though Syria has four and a half times the reserve military as France. The fact that Syria has had chemical and biological weapons has been common knowledge for decades and predates the Iraq War. How do you explain that?

This is what I said in post #4



-Assad and his father for decades had the resources and strong ties to their allies, mainly Iran and also North Korea, they had the ability and resources to develop their own stockpiles.

It is possible that Hussein as the war approached moved some of the WMD materials to Syria, there are some reports about that but the information is not conclusive.-





But the fact that Iraq had chemical or biological weapons when it was invaded is a possibility, chemical weapon don't dissapear POOF!!!! in the air.

There is no fact that Iraq had chemical or biological weapons when it was invaded. Saddam just didn't want to advertise they were gone, because that's the only reason the Iranians didn't overrun his country. Saddam used his WMD in his own country being overrun by Iranians. There was no call at the UN for Saddam to give up his WMD for doing that. The sanctions for WMD started after Saddam used it against the Kurdish people, which was a really dumb thing to do.

 

[yidnar]

Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

 

[Dubya]

Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

Rep. Steve Buyer, Indiana Republican, has called on the Bush administration to better publicize the killings as proof that Saddam loyalists are still hiding something.

Source: Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

You don't find it strange that the Republican spin about these deaths concludes it involves Saddam loyalists and not people who had their families killed by Saddam's chemical weapons? Can you explain why the only choice Republicans insist on as reality requires the WMD to exist? If Republicans are so sure the WMD existed, why was Cheney over in a CIA office gathering raw intelligence prior to the war? Why didn't the administration get the CIA to sign off on Saddam having WMD? For that matter, how in the hell did the Republicans know things the CIA didn't? From what source was their intelligence originating? It wasn't the CIA.

 

[yidnar]

Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

Rep. Steve Buyer, Indiana Republican, has called on the Bush administration to better publicize the killings as proof that Saddam loyalists are still hiding something.

Source: Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

You don't find it strange that the Republican spin about these deaths concludes it involves Saddam loyalists and not people who had their families killed by Saddam's chemical weapons? Can you explain why the only choice Republicans insist on as reality requires the WMD to exist? If Republicans are so sure the WMD existed, why was Cheney over in a CIA office gathering raw intelligence prior to the war? Why didn't the administration get the CIA to sign off on Saddam having WMD? For that matter, how in the hell did the Republicans know things the CIA didn't? From what source was their intelligence originating? It wasn't the CIA.

intelligence agencies from all over the world including Saddam himself claimed Iraq had these weapons .

 

[Dubya]

Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

Rep. Steve Buyer, Indiana Republican, has called on the Bush administration to better publicize the killings as proof that Saddam loyalists are still hiding something.

Source: Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

You don't find it strange that the Republican spin about these deaths concludes it involves Saddam loyalists and not people who had their families killed by Saddam's chemical weapons? Can you explain why the only choice Republicans insist on as reality requires the WMD to exist? If Republicans are so sure the WMD existed, why was Cheney over in a CIA office gathering raw intelligence prior to the war? Why didn't the administration get the CIA to sign off on Saddam having WMD? For that matter, how in the hell did the Republicans know things the CIA didn't? From what source was their intelligence originating? It wasn't the CIA.

intelligence agencies from all over the world including Saddam himself claimed Iraq had these weapons .

It's going on 10 years and you don't have proof. You can't make WMD just because you want it to be there.

The border town of Al Qa'im was under our control early in the Iraq war and so was the road to Syria.

Syria getting WMD from Iraq has been refuted on many levels. It just didn't happen.

 

[ScienceRocks]

They got it from saddam hussein. goddamnit!

 

[yidnar]

Source: Iraqi arms scientists killed before they talk - Washington Times

You don't find it strange that the Republican spin about these deaths concludes it involves Saddam loyalists and not people who had their families killed by Saddam's chemical weapons? Can you explain why the only choice Republicans insist on as reality requires the WMD to exist? If Republicans are so sure the WMD existed, why was Cheney over in a CIA office gathering raw intelligence prior to the war? Why didn't the administration get the CIA to sign off on Saddam having WMD? For that matter, how in the hell did the Republicans know things the CIA didn't? From what source was their intelligence originating? It wasn't the CIA.

intelligence agencies from all over the world including Saddam himself claimed Iraq had these weapons .

It's going on 10 years and you don't have proof. You can't make WMD just because you want it to be there.

The border town of Al Qa'im was under our control early in the Iraq war and so was the road to Syria.

Syria getting WMD from Iraq has been refuted on many levels. It just didn't happen.

soooo you are saying the butcher of Baghdad violated every UN sanction during these cease fire but got rid of his chems because the UN wanted him too ....

 

[Dubya]

intelligence agencies from all over the world including Saddam himself claimed Iraq had these weapons .

It's going on 10 years and you don't have proof. You can't make WMD just because you want it to be there.

The border town of Al Qa'im was under our control early in the Iraq war and so was the road to Syria.

Syria getting WMD from Iraq has been refuted on many levels. It just didn't happen.

soooo you are saying the butcher of Baghdad violated every UN sanction during these cease fire but got rid of his chems because the UN wanted him too ....

How dumb can you people be?

Precursors

Syria is not able to internally produce many of the necessary precursors to create chemical weapons and is dependent upon importing production equipment. The CIA reports in nearly every declassified acquisition report to the US Congress over the last five years the efforts of Syria to obtain precursor chemicals and equipment from external sources. The chemicals were stockpiled prior to international export controls but those initials supplies have likely long been exhausted. Syria's principle suppliers of CBW production technology were reported to be large chemical brokerage houses in Holland, Switzerland, France, Austria and Germany.

In 2001 the CIA reported that:

Syria sought CW-related precursors and expertise from foreign sources during the reporting period. Damascus already has a stockpile of the nerve agent sarin, and it would appear that Syria is trying to develop more toxic and persistent nerve agents. Syria remains dependent on foreign sources for key elements of its CW program, including precursor chemicals and key production equipment. It is highly probable that Syria also is developing an offensive BW capability.

In early 2002 Syria sought chemical weapons-related precursors from various countries. Damascus already held a stockpile of the nerve agent sarin, but apparently was trying to develop more toxic and persistent nerve agents. Syria remained dependent on foreign sources for key elements of its CW program, including precursor chemicals and key production equipment.

Syria is a major regional producer of phosphates that could conceivably be used for WMD. The country produces 2 million tons of phosphate per year and has an estimated reserve of around 2 billion tons. In October 2002 it was announced that a major "super" phosphate plant was to be constructed near Palmyra with a partnership between Russia and the state-owned General Company for Phosphate and Mines. A similar project is underway with the Indian firm, Dharmasi Morarji Chimicals Ltd.

The US has hoped that the 33-member Australia group would help in restricting imports to Syria and other similar states by coordinating the adoption of stricter export controls.

Syria has used the expansion of its pharmaceuticals industry as a cover for purchases relating to its chemical weapons program. Since 1988, protected from competing imports and without patent protection, the Syrian pharmaceutical industry has expanded rapidly and provides about 85% of the country's needs for products. The volume of the domestic market is expected to grow at a rate of 5-7% per annum, and there is the possibility to expand domestic production to meet the additional 15% of demand being met by imports. The state organization "Saydalaya" has a monopoly on the importation of drugs not produced in Syria and controls arrangements for technical appraisal and price negotiation. Syrian companies, however, may apply for a license to manufacture a drug that is being imported, and if permission is granted, imports of the drug end after six months. There is no active material production in Syria, and all active materials are imported from a wide range of overseas sources (Germany, Switzerland, Russia, Spain, Italy, Austria, the Netherlands, USA, Slovakia and Oman, by order of value). Exports are confined to finished products and go to countries of the Middle East and North Africa. The vast size of these markets and the relative ease with which many pharmaceutical chemicals can be manufactured suggest a broad avenue of potential for development. Foreign companies may also outsource secondary production to Syrian companies with high quality production facilities, and some manufacturers have licenses from overseas companies to produce their medicines and market them under the brand name.

Source: Chemical Weapons - Syria

 

[JoeB131]

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Chemical or Biological weapons!

Do not try to make this a matter or semantics!

It's ALL about semantics.

Bush never said, "Dooooy, Corky say we go to war over chemical weapons. They bad in 1914."

He talked about Mushroom clouds and shit. They lined the Texas Retard up in front of the Camera and he made it sound like Saddam was about to hand a nuke over to Bin Laden.

No one gave a shit about a shell filled with old expired mustard gas.

But shit, bush couldn't even meet THAT low standard. I mean, if they found a pile of those, he could ave said "Well, we found WMD's (kind of) so it's okay killed thousands of people and strengthened Iran is cool and put our kids into decades of debt!"

Will you calm down?

I am saying that Iraq had chemical or biological weapons. no doubt about it! It killed Kurds with them!!!

Some of it might have been transferred to Syria or it might have not.

Or they might have loaded them onto the backs of magic unicorns and flew them off to Happy Land.

Or maybe - just maybe- it was pretty much what Hans Blix and Scott Ritter said. That all the WMD programs had been dismantled in the 1990's, and Saddam didn't have them.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that Saddam was fighting a war that would eventually end in his being killed, he had these awesome weapons and didn't use them.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly.

"Iraqi forces used multiple chemical agents during the attack, including mustard gas and the nerve agents sarin, tabun and VX "

To deny that Iraq had chemical weapons is simply foolish!

To point out they had Chemical weapons in 1988 does not mean they had chemical weapons in 2003.

Somewhere in between, you had a supervised destruction of all their chemical weapons stores.

You also had 15 years of crippling sanctions that made it impossible to maintain a WMD Program.

But again- we did not go to war over chemical weapons. We went to war over nuclear and biological weapons Saddam never had.

All of which are baseless assumptions on your part.

Well, no, they are pretty logical assumptions on the fact...

WE DIDN'T FIND ONE CHEMICAL WEAPON IN IRAQ AFTER THE INVASION.

You know, little points like that.

Again. Let's just turn Bush over to the Hague and let them put his ass on trial. Sounds reasonable to me.

 

[Indofred]

Why isn't this question being asked??Where Did Syria?s Chemical Weapons Come From?

The US of Arse?

 

[usmcstinger]

Depends upon the chemical composition. The same applies to Biological. In addition storage temperature is another determining factor. Several people believe those responsible for Iraq's WMD's may have simply moved over to the highest bidder.

Iraqi general Sada claimed that they moved chems and equipment to Syria.

Yeah, and yet no one was able to ever produce anyone who actually moved the WMD's,

nor were we ever able to find anyone who was involved in making them.

Apparently they were produced by magic, and moved by magic.

The evidence that has been found backs up the movement of WMD's from Iraq to Syria. Trucks and even planes were used to move them to Syria.

Obviously,you have not learned to perform adequate research. Your are talking about a subject that you can not provide any viable, source to back your statement. Poor School System and/or just a poor student.

 

[JoeB131]

The evidence that has been found backs up the movement of WMD's from Iraq to Syria. Trucks and even planes were used to move them to Syria.

Obviously,you have not learned to perform adequate research. Your are talking about a subject that you can not provide any viable, source to back your statement. Poor School System and/or just a poor student.

The problem with this is, why would Assad, who at that time was actually helping us in the War on Terror, side with Saddam, who is a mortal enemy?

Guy, seriously, your logic makes no sense at all.

Bush got us into a war on a lie. Who told the lie is up for debate, but it was a lie. Period.

 

[usmcstinger]

The evidence that has been found backs up the movement of WMD's from Iraq to Syria. Trucks and even planes were used to move them to Syria.

Obviously,you have not learned to perform adequate research. Your are talking about a subject that you can not provide any viable, source to back your statement. Poor School System and/or just a poor student.

The problem with this is, why would Assad, who at that time was actually helping us in the War on Terror, side with Saddam, who is a mortal enemy?

Guy, seriously, your logic makes no sense at all.

Bush got us into a war on a lie. Who told the lie is up for debate, but it was a lie. Period.

Regarding Syrian and Iraqi relations:

Still, the further establishment of diplomatic relations between these uneasy neighbors has to be seen as a positive sign toward normalcy, especially when considering the recent history between Iraq and Syria.2003: Syria refuses to support any U.N. resolution authorizing war against Iraq.
Syria's relations with Iraq, U.S. - CNN

You obviously didn't do much research.

What happened to Sadam's Air Force during the US invasion? Do you think you can answer
that question?

 

[Dubya]

Iraqi general Sada claimed that they moved chems and equipment to Syria.

Yeah, and yet no one was able to ever produce anyone who actually moved the WMD's,

nor were we ever able to find anyone who was involved in making them.

Apparently they were produced by magic, and moved by magic.

The evidence that has been found backs up the movement of WMD's from Iraq to Syria. Trucks and even planes were used to move them to Syria.

Obviously,you have not learned to perform adequate research. Your are talking about a subject that you can not provide any viable, source to back your statement. Poor School System and/or just a poor student.

The evidence has been found that a bunch of right-wingers want to lie their asses off to cover up the criminal activity of Bush/Cheney going to war under false pretenses. That is your only agenda for claiming the WMD existed at the time we invaded Iraq.

If you want to talk about doing research, try it with someone who worked in a Research Center one week after leaving the Marine Corps and knows how they stored things like insecticides, which are nerve agents for insects. Let's ignore the fact that I have already posted proof that Syria had those chemical weapons before the Iraq War and only focus on the name of the chemical weapon of your choice. Name a chemical weapon that Syria received from Iraq and stop hiding behind endless generalities to cover up your lying about this issue!

Try a person who has studied Chemistry for 50 years, Asshole, and let the facts speak for themselves! You won't find me running my mouth about it and will find what I have to say about it is proven by links to the scientific information.