ajwps
Active Member
r2200t said:
Where did anti-semitism originate from?
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dilloduck
Diamond Member
Naaaaaa Israel will be ok. Just keep hitting those terrorists. To hell with whatever anyone else thinks. Since when did Israel worry about world opinion?
ajwps
Active Member
dilloduck said:
If the very survival of the Jewish people and their country as a of haven from Nations who hate Israel is obvious, does world opinion matter one iota?
dilloduck
Diamond Member
Of course not------you are hated by everyone----do what you want---quit whining
ajwps
Active Member
dilloduck said:
Dill please note that I didn't say ALL Nations hate Israel. I said FROM (the) NATIONS.
If nations like Italy has a threat of terrorist attacks from their Muslim terrorist populations, do you think that the people of this country across the Mediterranian Sea all hate Israel. Maybe they are voting against Israel in order to protect themselves.
BLACKMAIL OR HOSTAGE TAKING does frighten many people. Italy initially did not want to vote for the UN condemnation of Israel but changed their minds because of their status in the EU as a partner.
Real ethical morality on the people of Catholocism.
dilloduck
Diamond Member
You have proved to me that Israel is hated by Muslims. DUH ! If Israel wants to blow the hell outta them, why don't they just do it ! It certainly doesn't listen to the world community so why hold back. It needs to take whatever land it needs and to hell with the Arabs. BUT PLEASE QUIT TRYING TO GET SYMPATHY!
ajwps
Active Member
dilloduck said:
Actually there are Muslims who support Israel while claiming the Qur'an of Muhammad supports Israel and the Jewish people.
http://www.arabsforisrael.com/pages/1/index.htm
Israel is not the same wild beast that blows their children up in a fire bomb to kill Israeli children. Israel does not attack unless they are attacked but that point is missed by most who think that Israel is a racist and brutal state.
Neither I nor Israel needs any sympathy for anything. Wanting sympathy is a sign of victimization and Israel no longer is the victim but the one feared most by the surrounding Muslim dictatorships.
The reason Israel is not attacked is the reason you posited earlier. What Philistine country feels that they can successful go up against this little David as shown in my Avatar?
Your whimpering is sickening.
ajwps
Active Member
r2200t said:
I see that you have deemed to join the fray again after pushing your KING down on the board.
Invectives and name calling are signs of a very big inferiority complex. I read your post again. Also took the liberty of copying and pasting the very first paragraphs that you missed to post from your site. To enable you to remember what you omitted to copy and past I will repost your own article's first sentence:
Maybe you should read everything you post....
For your information: The word "Check Mate" comes from SHAH meaning a "king" as in the last monarch (or SHAH) of Iran. MATE has the same root as the English "murder" and the Spanish "matador" (killer). What has this word derivation to do with your previous post when you claimed to desist from replying to my posts.
Then you admit rather than replying to my previous post you choose to resist with all your might because you are unable to do so with facts.
You find my posts to be offensive to you but not because I twist your words or post BS. It seems that your posts are countered with enough success to frustrate you. It is not diffiicult to understand that your points are matched one by one with valid reponses.
Your explanations of why Lebanon cannot absorb their brothers is very weak and has no persuasive evidence for something that even smaller Israel has done for every Jewish person who comes to its shores and is assimilated into the general population. Syria is the source of the dilemma for Lebanon and the absorption of Palestinians. You fail to see that these primitive tribal Arabs are simply pawns in the hands of the larger surrounding Arab countries. Pawns cannot be absorbed or the Intifada is over and peace will again return to Israel. Open your eyes and take your head out of the sand dune.
So the Christian Phalangists who did the murderous deed are innocent and as always, it is the Israeli military who let it happen. Yes Sharon should be jailed and executed for not being a mind reader.
Let's see if I can understand your meaning in the above sentence. You think Israel punishes only people who kill Jews but do not punish those who attack Jews. Is that correct? Then you make the unsubstantiated claim that Israel is a 'racist, apartheid state that equates Muslims, Christians, (Hindus), (Zorastrians), (7th Day Aventists), (Mormons), (fire worshipers) and Shakers with feces. Is this statement of yours correct?
First of all Israel does not PUNISH any peoples or countries. Israel defends itself and its people while you see only punishment. Then you want Israel to PUNISH people who kill non-Jews or somehow be forced to PUNISH others who kill gentiles or any other in humanity. This idea of yours is typical of your thinking process. Israel and the Jewish people are not barbarians nor racist nor do they practice apartheid. Obviously you haven't the vaguest.
Are you older than ten years of age?
dilloduck
Diamond Member
ajwps said:
Glad to hear that Israel is in great shape, strong and vibrant. Can we stop sending you billions of dollars every year now and use it to help someome who really needs it?
ajwps
Active Member
dilloduck said:
I do appreciate you sending ME (personally) billions of dollars every year. It is greatly needed to fund my purchase of lottery tickets.
Yes Israel is in great shape, strong and vibrant. You may stop giving Israel loan guarantees that are repaid with interest if in return Israel can stop sending America the military, science technology, Israeli security specialists who train your Homeland Security people to defend against Islam's terrorists and modern health care inventions which help save 'your' life.
Is that okay in exchange for your magnanimous loan guarantee program to Israel?
ajwps
Active Member
r2200t said:
Then what was your purpose in posting about Jordan and its unassimilated Palestinian people kept in refuge camps? Your last statement is confusing. Would you like me to post things that simply say things that agree with your obviously misleading and contradictory information? What would be the purpose of any poster not finding faults in any nonsense you post?
Actually you originally stated that you had tired of being contradicted with statements disproving your points. That is common in chess parlance with giving up to your opponent and being 'check mated.'
If the Christian Phalangists are guilty of retaliating against those Muslim camps who were responsible for killing the Phalangists families, why are they not vilified by the Muslims as well as the then military commander Sharon?
Sharon was elected by a majority of the Israeli and Muslim Arabs of Israel. Why would Sharon be guilty of anything if elected into office by these Muslims Kinesset Ministers who vote against Israeli policy?
Interesting that you are both a Psychiatrist who sees that Sharon needs extensive therapy and a seer with the ESP knowledge that can tell what Sharon should have known when he allowed loving and forgiving Christian Arabs into an area where two Muslim villages stood? Do you also somehow mysteriously know the underlying political considerations that led to Sharon being demoted from his post? And finally, now you are a judge and jury that has decided in your infinite wisdom that Sharon is guilty of a crime. Your quite a guy..
Yes little ole Israel attacked the large surrounding countries for imperialistic intentions of world conquest. And Israel attacked Iraq nuclear bomb reactor because they had nothing better to do than risk their jet warplanes and their own pilots lives. Why do you think that no Arab country attacked Israel for these war mongering attacks even to this day. Except of course by using the Arabs living in Israel as pawns to attack with their children dressed with suicide dynamite bombs, shoot mothers and their children from ambush and generally create havoc in the only country that has given them equal status and freedom.
By the way, Israel did attack empty Syrian camps with the full knowledge that they had been abandoned. A powerful message was sent to Assad and the Syrian government that Israel could attack them anytime with impunity.
Do you really believe Israel attacks on Syria were done for any other reasons? Do you think Israel has nothing better to do with the high tech bombs, jet warplanes and pilots than to attack Syria for no reason whatsoever?
Now you have the audacity to state with authority and insight that Israel attacks weaker countries (which ones) who never intended to attack the Jewish state? Where did you get that insider information and knowledge?
Did the Martians or Moon Men give you all this info?
:huh:
Comrade
Senior Member
r2200t said:
I'll try and inject a little perspective on the issue, just because the UN has indeed become quite predictable over time and it's voting record is not exactly a mystery once you look at the historical record.
Let's start with the nature of the UN itself. There are still the original five permanent security council members ruling upon every single "international law" which purcolates up from one of the multiple and selectively sponsored agencies which declare the law. The final veto from any of the five wield is the final word on the matter... and that's the end of it, period.
Many of your issues are passed from the agencies never once recognized by the USA or Isreal, and in fact shot down on the council, so I call that whole list:
In the mid-40's only the most powerfull nation states in the world were granted permanent membership into the "Big Five" in the security council. France was a stretch, and in fact granted solely to get a majority UK/US vote against the communist states of USSR and China.
And before the UN becomes this holy international law, an American first lady created the whole concept. The whole point was to ensure everyone with the power to ensure peace in the world and prevent a new world war, could stay in constant contact and know exactly where each would stand on each issue.
And this whole brainstorm was in fact the idea of the the first lady Roosevelt herself, which after much hemming and hawing from Congress became a reality only becase the US funded and sponsored it.
Some 10 years after this structure was created, a resurgent Germany and Japan quickly matched the power of China, France, and eventually the UK.
At that stage of history each deserved equal consideration as primary nation states, who weilded actual global power and yet after one decade already failed recognition in this respect among the UN.
After 60 years of UN "international law" the only two instances in which law was enforced by any combined deployment of substance was:
The Korean war
(which two of five among the council chose to enforce even while their actions were opposed directly an in direct military engagement by both the USSR and China.)
Gulf war I
(which failed to accomplish an long term benefit except for those except the USSR and China, both choosing abstention but eventually gaining a major arms for oil trading partner.)
After more than 6 decades the UN security council structure is now dangerously based upon a fantasy.
Japan, India, and Germany do not sit on the permanent council, although for decades, their economies have exceeded four of the five permanent members.
China may be only now a #2 power but not after the U.S. includes Japan and Korea, both reliant completely upon the U.S. veto in the council but far more capable than China alone.
France is now the #8 wealthiest economy, while the USSR, now reduced to Russia itself, is #11 of all economies.
The states rotating through this highest UN authority never once included Isreal, even though it's power far exceed others who were.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/docs/italy3.htm
Italy protests their denial to the council, given Russia is far below their wealth, along with France. And Russia and France are almost weaker than Brazil. Certainly both weaker than Japan, India, Germany.
See???
In other words, let's talk about how unrealistic the UN actually is, before we get too excited about what kind of conclusions you can draw from it.
Lesser UN agencies are represented via a one country-one vote process. Liberal Democracies as a whole are outnumbered.
Of all of those Liberal democracies those who would actually support Isreal instead of courting favour with the many oil rich and totalitarian Muslim states remain isolated to simply the US. We get to be sacrificed as the "bad guys" knowing full well we'll take all the blame while they, being France, China, and Russia, traditionally benefit for their support via monetary means. Knowing full well their appeasement will not risk their own interests as long as the US takes the ultimate risk and must prevent a defeat of Isreal and another Jewish massacre even though it impacts our own security and economic stability among these oil rich despots.
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Comrade said:I'll try and inject a little perspective on the issue, just because the UN has indeed become quite predictable over time and it's voting record is not exactly a mystery once you look at the historical record.
Let's start with the nature of the UN itself. There are still the original five permanent security council members ruling upon every single "international law" which purcolates up from one of the multiple and selectively sponsored agencies which declare the law. The final veto from any of the five wield is the final word on the matter... and that's the end of it, period.
Many of your issues are passed from the agencies never once recognized by the USA or Isreal, and in fact shot down on the council, so I call that whole list:
In the mid-40's only the most powerfull nation states in the world were granted permanent membership into the "Big Five" in the security council. France was a stretch, and in fact granted solely to get a majority UK/US vote against the communist states of USSR and China.
And before the UN becomes this holy international law, an American first lady created the whole concept. The whole point was to ensure everyone with the power to ensure peace in the world and prevent a new world war, could stay in constant contact and know exactly where each would stand on each issue.
And this whole brainstorm was in fact the idea of the the first lady Roosevelt herself, which after much hemming and hawing from Congress became a reality only becase the US funded and sponsored it.
Some 10 years after this structure was created, a resurgent Germany and Japan quickly matched the power of China, France, and eventually the UK.
At that stage of history each deserved equal consideration as primary nation states, who weilded actual global power and yet after one decade already failed recognition in this respect among the UN.
After 60 years of UN "international law" the only two instances in which law was enforced by any combined deployment of substance was:
The Korean war
(which two of five among the council chose to enforce even while their actions were opposed directly an in direct military engagement by both the USSR and China.)
Gulf war I
(which failed to accomplish an long term benefit except for those except the USSR and China, both choosing abstention but eventually gaining a major arms for oil trading partner.)
After more than 6 decades the UN security council structure is now dangerously based upon a fantasy.
Japan, India, and Germany do not sit on the permanent council, although for decades, their economies have exceeded four of the five permanent members.
China may be only now a #2 power but not after the U.S. includes Japan and Korea, both reliant completely upon the U.S. veto in the council but far more capable than China alone.
France is now the #8 wealthiest economy, while the USSR, now reduced to Russia itself, is #11 of all economies.
The states rotating through this highest UN authority never once included Isreal, even though it's power far exceed others who were.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/docs/italy3.htm
Italy protests their denial to the council, given Russia is far below their wealth, along with France. And Russia and France are almost weaker than Brazil. Certainly both weaker than Japan, India, Germany.
See???
In other words, let's talk about how unrealistic the UN actually is, before we get too excited about what kind of conclusions you can draw from it.
Lesser UN agencies are represented via a one country-one vote process. Liberal Democracies as a whole are outnumbered.
Of all of those Liberal democracies those who would actually support Isreal instead of courting favour with the many oil rich and totalitarian Muslim states remain isolated to simply the US. We get to be sacrificed as the "bad guys" knowing full well we'll take all the blame while they, being France, China, and Russia, traditionally benefit for their support via monetary means. Knowing full well their appeasement will not risk their own interests as long as the US takes the ultimate risk and must prevent a defeat of Isreal and another Jewish massacre even though it impacts our own security and economic stability among these oil rich despots.
Comrade, that was brilliant!
Last year one of my classes debated the usefulness of the UN and this point was brought up, though not so well executed. :hail:
ajwps
Active Member
r2200t said:
Interesting diatribe to dissect why anti-semitism and the Evil Israel/Jews.
1) US uses it's veto to protect it's ally Israel from facing justice. (What crimes for justice?)
2) Since the security council, is powerless (with todays super powers divided into 2 groups each with their own interests in different areas...) then morally speaking, the UN non-binding recommendations or International court rulings, or simply the Geneva conventions should be followed, they are recommendations of correct behavior. ( UN veto power nullifies Muslim majority so only Geneva Convention (pro-Arab) should be allowed.
3) Surely, today no one can prevent Israel from pursuing it's ethnic cleansing or a slow unsuccessful genocide, or stealing lands, killing 3 times the civilians that it loses...cutting water supplies to Palestinians while it waters flower gardens, from visible distances... Obviously Israel always guilty
4) Israels "we are protecting ourselves" stance is getting old and no one believes it anymore. Say No More.
5) Whatever Israel does is in most peoples eyes (not mine) is the view of most Jews worldwide. Obviously not in the eyes of r2200t
6) When Israel does nasty things, world opinion on Jews diminishes, creating anti-Semitism.Therefore when Israel does good things, world opinion (?) diminishes anti-semitism - How could the Arab countries do anything wrong
7) Israel shouldn't have signed the "the Fourth Geneva Convention on August 12, 1949 and ratified it on July 6, 1951" if it didn't plan to follow it.
The 4th Geneva conventions is a set of rules to follow when treating civilians among other things. What is the difference between civilians and alien murderers of the population of a country? Among other things not mentioned
8) Israel has violated numerous sections repeatedly and has been encouraged by non-binding UN resolutions to stop. r2200t fails to list violations. What else is new.
9)Israel instead of stopping the atrocities, justifies it's dozens of years of collective punishment on terrorists. Yes Israel sent their little kids with dynamite belts into the mud-villages of the Arabs to blow up and kill the peaceful daisy picking Arabs. Israel collectively punishment on terrorist murders unjustified.
10) In the world opinion, this doesn't look good. When was this ever different? The Jews are always the evil satanic people (scapegoats)
11) And as UN votes go, no one believes Israel, the world knows that Israel creates terrorists, and then uses them to justify territory grabs. Those evil land grabbing Jews creates terrorists (everyone knows this) and who should not be allowed to live on this earth according to r2200t
12) Israels "we are protecting ourselves" stance is getting old and no one believes it anymore, the pity game is over, and no matter how many Holocaust books they make us read in school and no matter how many
Holocaust victims give speeches in our classrooms, the Holocaust does not give Israel the right to act immorally. Murdered millions of Jews gives right to Israel and the Jewish people to die according to Geneva convention and UN mandate.
13) It's like that big wall they are building. Build the damn thing on your land! Don't stop building it, just put it on your land. But obviously Israel refuses, because it's goal is to acquire more Palestinian land, or the purpose of the wall would be useless. Yep the Palestinian land is being grabbed but for one fact. There never was an Arab (palestinian) land in Israel. That creates a dilemma. The wall is Israel way to grab land but of course it is preventing the lawful and peaceful suicide bombers from killing babies.
14) This doesn't look good for Israel, and the world court rulings in favor of halting the wall, doesn't help, Oh, oh. It really doesn't look good for Israel to survive and all the world courts rulings and all the Geneva Convention mandaters can't unbuild the protective barrier ever again.
15) World opinion again, increases against Israel.What else is new?
dilloduck
Diamond Member
Maybe the Zionists should have been nicer to the countries that fought to get thier land back (and arab land too).
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/Kingdavid.htm
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/Kingdavid.htm
Arabs must recognise that everything America says about the arab / muslim countries is true:
With few exceptions they are a collection of dynastic monarchies, theocracies and military dictatorships and should all be replaced by democratic states.
BUT AMERICA MUST ALSO RECOGNISE THAT EVERYTHING THE ARABS SAY ABOUT ISRAEL IS ALSO TRUE:
Its a despicable racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy and this dictatorship must be PEACEFULLY dismantled and replaced by a bi-national state, a state for the two nations that call Palestine home (the jewish and the arab nation).
Most people who post here reminds me of the Saudi princes always looking for excuses to justify the existence of that despicable theocratic monarchy:
Islam is not compatible with democracy blah blah blah
Saudi Arabia is our Holy Land so it cant be a democracy blah blah blah
We hear similar arguments here:
My korean secretary cant get a visa to live in the US so its ok to deny the right of return to palestinian arabs blah blah blah
Other posters keep on calling Israel a democracy, willfully ignorant that this country keeps millions of arabs crammed in two arab bantustans.
People...lets stop this pathetic farce PLEASE!!!!! What kind of shi... I mean, illegal substance one has to smoke to start comparing korean secretaries and ordinary immigration laws with the right of return of the indigenous arab population of Israel???
I know what your problem is... You fell in love with a racial dictatorship called Israel and now you desperatly look for excuses to validate its existence of this obscene political entity. I know its hard to recognise that the object of your love is in fact a racist dictatorship BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONCIOUS EFFORT AND SAY IT!!!!!
And this is the truth about this forum. Although there are independent posters like Dilloduck MOST PEOPLE HERE ARE A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE SAUDI PRINCES, SUPPORTING A DICTATORSHIP THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON. Its really, really sad.
Now everybody is going to repeat after Uncle Joe ( if you get it right Uncle Joe can even give you a lollipop as a reward):
IT WAS WRONG TO EXPELL OR NOT ALLOW THE RETURN OF THE ORIGINAL ARAB POPULATION OF ISRAEL... NO BUTS, NO HOWEVERS, NO EXCUSES AT ALL.... IT WAS JUST PLAIN WRONG... THIS ACT OF ETHNIC CLEANSING MUST BE REVERSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOLLOWED BY THE PEACEFUL DISMANTLEMENT OF ISRAEL AND ITS REPLACEMENT BY A BI-NATIONAL STATE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING SECURITY TO BOTH ETHNIC GROUPS.
You see...it was not that difficult...And its also very important because this is the first step towards the reconciliation between America and the arab world.
As long as the american people keep on trying to find excuses to justify the jewish racial dictatorship of Israel THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, instead of leading an international embargo to bring it down, the only advice I can give to the american people is:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE PLANES.
As long as the arab people keep on looking for excuses to justify theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran and other kinds of authoritarian governments and muslim fundamentalism THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, I have only one advice for them:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE RETALIATORY INVASIONS.
Skyscrappers being knocked down and retaliatory invasions... This is the sad but predictable result you get when you have two deafs discussing democracy
With few exceptions they are a collection of dynastic monarchies, theocracies and military dictatorships and should all be replaced by democratic states.
BUT AMERICA MUST ALSO RECOGNISE THAT EVERYTHING THE ARABS SAY ABOUT ISRAEL IS ALSO TRUE:
Its a despicable racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy and this dictatorship must be PEACEFULLY dismantled and replaced by a bi-national state, a state for the two nations that call Palestine home (the jewish and the arab nation).
Most people who post here reminds me of the Saudi princes always looking for excuses to justify the existence of that despicable theocratic monarchy:
Islam is not compatible with democracy blah blah blah
Saudi Arabia is our Holy Land so it cant be a democracy blah blah blah
We hear similar arguments here:
My korean secretary cant get a visa to live in the US so its ok to deny the right of return to palestinian arabs blah blah blah
Other posters keep on calling Israel a democracy, willfully ignorant that this country keeps millions of arabs crammed in two arab bantustans.
People...lets stop this pathetic farce PLEASE!!!!! What kind of shi... I mean, illegal substance one has to smoke to start comparing korean secretaries and ordinary immigration laws with the right of return of the indigenous arab population of Israel???
I know what your problem is... You fell in love with a racial dictatorship called Israel and now you desperatly look for excuses to validate its existence of this obscene political entity. I know its hard to recognise that the object of your love is in fact a racist dictatorship BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONCIOUS EFFORT AND SAY IT!!!!!
And this is the truth about this forum. Although there are independent posters like Dilloduck MOST PEOPLE HERE ARE A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE SAUDI PRINCES, SUPPORTING A DICTATORSHIP THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON. Its really, really sad.
Now everybody is going to repeat after Uncle Joe ( if you get it right Uncle Joe can even give you a lollipop as a reward):
IT WAS WRONG TO EXPELL OR NOT ALLOW THE RETURN OF THE ORIGINAL ARAB POPULATION OF ISRAEL... NO BUTS, NO HOWEVERS, NO EXCUSES AT ALL.... IT WAS JUST PLAIN WRONG... THIS ACT OF ETHNIC CLEANSING MUST BE REVERSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOLLOWED BY THE PEACEFUL DISMANTLEMENT OF ISRAEL AND ITS REPLACEMENT BY A BI-NATIONAL STATE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING SECURITY TO BOTH ETHNIC GROUPS.
You see...it was not that difficult...And its also very important because this is the first step towards the reconciliation between America and the arab world.
As long as the american people keep on trying to find excuses to justify the jewish racial dictatorship of Israel THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, instead of leading an international embargo to bring it down, the only advice I can give to the american people is:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE PLANES.
As long as the arab people keep on looking for excuses to justify theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran and other kinds of authoritarian governments and muslim fundamentalism THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, I have only one advice for them:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE RETALIATORY INVASIONS.
Skyscrappers being knocked down and retaliatory invasions... This is the sad but predictable result you get when you have two deafs discussing democracy
MrMarbles
Member
America's best bet in the middle east, to prevent attacks against her, is probably to not have an opinion at all on it. Just back out all together. Back out, and shut it's mouth. Either the countries will kill themselves, eliminating enemies, or things will naturally develope into something good for the States. It may take some time, but democracy will happen at some point.
dilloduck
Diamond Member
MrMarbles said:
We need to stay on the offensive in Arab countries that harbor those who would kill us. Israel can defend itself but may not give us the intel we need if we don't support them. They may even have some info they are blackmailing us with so backing out may not be all that easy. It would require bi-partisan support and could cost both parties dearly.
ajwps
Active Member
dilloduck said:
Nice PLO propaganda site.
Maybe the Arabs should have been nicer to the Israeli army when they were attacking Israel in the wars to drive the Jews into the Med Sea.
Wars are always waged by long accepted gentlemen's rules of warfare so that nobody gets mad or upset.
Some thousands of Israeli's fought 5 large army armies in 1948 and you ask them to be nicer to the countries that fought them to grab the Jewish homeland.
Funny but the Arab armies lost with odds of 20,000 to 1 in their favor. For the Arabs, what a merry mishap.
ajwps
Active Member
Jose=Arabs must recognise that everything America says about the arab / muslim countries is true:
With few exceptions they are a collection of dynastic monarchies, theocracies and military dictatorships and should all be replaced by democratic states.
BUT AMERICA MUST ALSO RECOGNISE THAT EVERYTHING THE ARABS SAY ABOUT ISRAEL IS ALSO TRUE:
Its a despicable racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy and this dictatorship must be PEACEFULLY dismantled and replaced by a bi-national state, a state for the two nations that call Palestine home (the jewish and the arab nation).
Most people who post here reminds me of the Saudi princes always looking for excuses to justify the existence of that despicable theocratic monarchy:
Islam is not compatible with democracy blah blah blah
Saudi Arabia is our Holy Land so it cant be a democracy blah blah blah
We hear similar arguments here:
My korean secretary cant get a visa to live in the US so its ok to deny the right of return to palestinian arabs blah blah blah
Other posters keep on calling Israel a democracy, willfully ignorant that this country keeps millions of arabs crammed in two arab bantustans.
People...lets stop this pathetic farce PLEASE!!!!! What kind of shi... I mean, illegal substance one has to smoke to start comparing korean secretaries and ordinary immigration laws with the right of return of the indigenous arab population of Israel???
I know what your problem is... You fell in love with a racial dictatorship called Israel and now you desperatly look for excuses to validate its existence of this obscene political entity. I know its hard to recognise that the object of your love is in fact a racist dictatorship BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONCIOUS EFFORT AND SAY IT!!!!!
And this is the truth about this forum. Although there are independent posters like Dilloduck MOST PEOPLE HERE ARE A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE SAUDI PRINCES, SUPPORTING A DICTATORSHIP THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON. Its really, really sad.
Now everybody is going to repeat after Uncle Joe ( if you get it right Uncle Joe can even give you a lollipop as a reward):
IT WAS WRONG TO EXPELL OR NOT ALLOW THE RETURN OF THE ORIGINAL ARAB POPULATION OF ISRAEL... NO BUTS, NO HOWEVERS, NO EXCUSES AT ALL.... IT WAS JUST PLAIN WRONG... THIS ACT OF ETHNIC CLEANSING MUST BE REVERSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOLLOWED BY THE PEACEFUL DISMANTLEMENT OF ISRAEL AND ITS REPLACEMENT BY A BI-NATIONAL STATE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING SECURITY TO BOTH ETHNIC GROUPS.
You see...it was not that difficult...And its also very important because this is the first step towards the reconciliation between America and the arab world.
As long as the american people keep on trying to find excuses to justify the jewish racial dictatorship of Israel THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, instead of leading an international embargo to bring it down, the only advice I can give to the american people is:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE PLANES.
As long as the arab people keep on looking for excuses to justify theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran and other kinds of authoritarian governments and muslim fundamentalism THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, I have only one advice for them:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE RETALIATORY INVASIONS.
Skyscrappers being knocked down and retaliatory invasions... This is the sad but predictable result you get when you have two deafs discussing democracy
Jose makes a remarkable statement:
I love it. Jose the Muslim uses all encompassing words like EVERYTHING. He suggests that America must believe the Arabs never lie and that whatever they say must be swollowed whole.
This Muslim Jose must think everybody is as smart as he.....
With few exceptions they are a collection of dynastic monarchies, theocracies and military dictatorships and should all be replaced by democratic states.
BUT AMERICA MUST ALSO RECOGNISE THAT EVERYTHING THE ARABS SAY ABOUT ISRAEL IS ALSO TRUE:
Its a despicable racial dictatorship calling itself a democracy and this dictatorship must be PEACEFULLY dismantled and replaced by a bi-national state, a state for the two nations that call Palestine home (the jewish and the arab nation).
Most people who post here reminds me of the Saudi princes always looking for excuses to justify the existence of that despicable theocratic monarchy:
Islam is not compatible with democracy blah blah blah
Saudi Arabia is our Holy Land so it cant be a democracy blah blah blah
We hear similar arguments here:
My korean secretary cant get a visa to live in the US so its ok to deny the right of return to palestinian arabs blah blah blah
Other posters keep on calling Israel a democracy, willfully ignorant that this country keeps millions of arabs crammed in two arab bantustans.
People...lets stop this pathetic farce PLEASE!!!!! What kind of shi... I mean, illegal substance one has to smoke to start comparing korean secretaries and ordinary immigration laws with the right of return of the indigenous arab population of Israel???
I know what your problem is... You fell in love with a racial dictatorship called Israel and now you desperatly look for excuses to validate its existence of this obscene political entity. I know its hard to recognise that the object of your love is in fact a racist dictatorship BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONCIOUS EFFORT AND SAY IT!!!!!
And this is the truth about this forum. Although there are independent posters like Dilloduck MOST PEOPLE HERE ARE A MIRROR IMAGE OF THE SAUDI PRINCES, SUPPORTING A DICTATORSHIP THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON. Its really, really sad.
Now everybody is going to repeat after Uncle Joe ( if you get it right Uncle Joe can even give you a lollipop as a reward):
IT WAS WRONG TO EXPELL OR NOT ALLOW THE RETURN OF THE ORIGINAL ARAB POPULATION OF ISRAEL... NO BUTS, NO HOWEVERS, NO EXCUSES AT ALL.... IT WAS JUST PLAIN WRONG... THIS ACT OF ETHNIC CLEANSING MUST BE REVERSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOLLOWED BY THE PEACEFUL DISMANTLEMENT OF ISRAEL AND ITS REPLACEMENT BY A BI-NATIONAL STATE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING SECURITY TO BOTH ETHNIC GROUPS.
You see...it was not that difficult...And its also very important because this is the first step towards the reconciliation between America and the arab world.
As long as the american people keep on trying to find excuses to justify the jewish racial dictatorship of Israel THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, instead of leading an international embargo to bring it down, the only advice I can give to the american people is:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE PLANES.
As long as the arab people keep on looking for excuses to justify theocracies like Saudi Arabia, Iran and other kinds of authoritarian governments and muslim fundamentalism THAT GENERATE ABSOLUTELY UNJUSTIFIED ANTI-AMERICANISM IN THE MIDDLE EAST, I have only one advice for them:
BE PREPARED FOR MORE RETALIATORY INVASIONS.
Skyscrappers being knocked down and retaliatory invasions... This is the sad but predictable result you get when you have two deafs discussing democracy
Jose makes a remarkable statement:
I love it. Jose the Muslim uses all encompassing words like EVERYTHING. He suggests that America must believe the Arabs never lie and that whatever they say must be swollowed whole.
This Muslim Jose must think everybody is as smart as he.....
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