originally posted by freeandfun
The whole world is NOT against the war in Iraq.
This is an absolutely appropriate thread to discuss the war in Iraq, because it has more to do with Israel/Palestine than most americans are willing to admit. Let me throw my two cents : )
Freeandfun... Just like r22, I also find morally difficult to support something that results in the death of thousands of people, but I FULLY support the democratization of Iraq.
Look, you can say all you want about Bin Ladens real grievance... American troops in Saudi Arabia... etc etc
But without help from thousands of supporters, he would be just a guy living alone in a cave waiting to die of kidney failure...
Bin Laden is nothing ... cant do anything without his followers.
Well...Osamas supporters, for the most part, couldnt care less about american troops in Saudi Arabia...Their real grievance and for that matter, the real grievance of the whole muslim world is Palestine.
The videos Al quaida uses to get followers sometimes look like a documentary about Palestine. They know exactly what can most effectively fill arabs with rage and lead them to fly planes into american skyscrappers
This is the truth:
AMERICA THE TRIBE BETRAYED AMERICA THE IDEA IN PALESTINE.
America didnt help create a liberal democracy, a state of citizens there, but instead, it created a racial dictatorship. America helped create a society where jews lord it over arabs and steal their homes by force. But I dont blame America the Tribe for this betrayal of the values of America the Idea. I blame the jewish pro-Israel lobby.
And maybe this betrayal will cost the democratization of Iraq. People in the arab world think:
Americans want a democracy in Iraq, in Saudi Arabia, in Syria and an APARTHEID state in Palestine.
And they are ABSOLUTELY right. This is exactly what the US government, under the influence of the jewish lobby, really wants for the Middle East.
This leads even some westernized people in the Middle East to reject the process of democratization of Iraq:
If America dont want democracy in Israel it wont have it here either. They are not interested in democracy in Iraq, they couldnt care less about the arab people. What they really hope is that a democratic Iraq will also be a DOCILE Iraq, in other words, they hope democracy will make our people stop fighting against apartheid in Palestine.
Its really sad.
And if you think Im just rambling about the degree of anti americanism Palestine generates in the Muslim world, let me tell you, fliers have been picked on the streets of Baghdad reading
US AND ISRAEL, or in other words, the US and its ally, the jewish racial dictatorship that expelled our people from Palestine.
Many iraqs see the occupation as an extention of the israeli occupation in Palestine. And they are, to a certain extent, right because what America really wants from the arab world is DOCILITY towards Israel and consequently towards itself.
Everybody, and I repeat everybody who travels to the muslim world can attest to the resentment they feel over Palestine. Everybody from Mauritania in North Africa to Malaysia in South East Asia says the same thing, like a broken record, complaints and more complaints about the palestinian ordeal. If americans could have the slightest idea about their huge resentment they would get appalled.
But I said before and Ill say it again, NONE of this constitutes a valid reason to reject democracy.
I disagree completely with this mindset. I believe its better to have a democracy in Iraq and an apartheid state in Palestine than no democracy at all.
People shouldnt think about democracy as a kind of punishment that they want to see equally distributed among their peers.
Democracy is not a punishment, a burden, democracy is a gift. I believe the ordinary iraqi should think along these lines:
OK, americans want a democratic Iraq and an apartheid state in Palestine. Kurds can return to their homes here, but arabs cant there. But I will support a democratic Iraq, not because its what America and Israel want me to do but because its the best future I can provide for my children. I'll do it for them, not for America and Israel.
Unfortunately most people dont think like that. Whether I like it or not, people find it irresistible to think in tribal terms.
And this resentment arabs feel will almost certainly lead to more violence inside and outside the US.
Even NYT columnist Thomas Friedman says America has become so radioactive in the Middle East that the democratization of Iraq runs a serious risk of failing. I would like to ask Mr. Friedman: Whats the source of so much radioactivity?
Yes, its the answer americans do not like to hear:
ISRAEL, ISRAEL, ISRAEL...
Israel plays a much bigger role in anti-americanism in muslim countries than muslim fundamentalim ever will.
If only America wanted democracy for the ENTIRE Middle East and not just for the ARAB WORLD, the democratization of Iraq would stand a much better chance to succeed.
Ill tell you what, american jews have been, FOR THE MOST PART, a blessing to America (William is gonna kill me for this one). They helped draft and place laws to protect minorities, have done a tremendous service to protecting civil rights of all minorities and have a massive influence in the sciences, medicine, business etc. of that country.
BUT THE JEWISH PRO-ISRAELI LOBBY WAS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT EVER HAPPENED TO AMERICA
