originally posted by Kathianne
Do you mean in place of?
and you are looking for the end of Israel? right?
originally posted by ajwps
He omitted the words 'of palestine' at the end of his sentence.
Brilliant obfuscation of his obvious bias toward a palestine non-entity.
Kathianne and ajwps
Since you both seem to be equating the end of Israel with the mass murder or ethnic cleansing of the israeli jews heres my combined answer to you.
The only thing I want is the end of an Israel that resembles South Africa under apartheid and its replacement by an Israel that resembles America.
But since the borders of Israel only exist to keep the racial segregation between the arab and the jewish population of Israel/Palestine, when all the measures I described in a previous post had been implemented, those borders would lose their raison detre and there would be no valid reason to prevent the unification of Israel/Palestine.
So to give you a more direct answer, yes, I,
TOGETHER WITH THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF AMERICA, do want the peaceful end of Israel, just like we wanted the end of South Africa under white supremacist rule.
We need to overcome this mindset based on paranoia where segregation is the only thing able to keep the jewish community in Palestine alive, because this was the main argument the racists of South Africa used to justify their heinous state. You cant equate the end of a political entity with the end of the people who live there, but if you do believe this, I politely ask you both to reread my two posts about the way in which the peaceful dismantlement of Israel could be implemented. There I described the way the jewish state could be dismantled without causing any inconvenience to the jewish people.
Look, IMO, the forced displacement of the jewish population in Hebron and other settlements,
SPECIALLY THE ONES WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE A GENERATION BORN THERE is absolutely disgusting.
The big irony, is that people like Thomas Friedman who support a two state solution and is perceived as being biased towards the jews is in fact
SUPPORTING THE ETHNIC CLEANSING OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY IN THE WEST BANK AND GAZA STRIP and this poster who is perceived by most people as being anti zionism is in fact one of the few here supporting
THE CREATION OF EVEN MORE JEWISH COMMUNITIES throughout the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Two state solution = no jews can live in Gaza and the West Bank and arabs cant return to Israel.
One state solution = everybody can live anywhere they want (I know ajwps has a different one state solution but this is another story).
IMO, theres no such thing as a good ethnic cleansig. They are all immoral, abhorrent.
The Israel/Palestine issue is a no brainer
IF you still havent lost your moral bearings....
You have two nations, two peoples who have equally strong claims( since most israelis were born there) to the same territory.
Well, two nations and one territory demmands a bi-national state... A civic state like America.
Palestine (the region) does not need american money, Palestine needs to
BECOME America.
Im gonna write an analogy between Palestine and America tomorrow night because its late here, but I warn you both,
ITS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART.