When was the last time you changed your mind about something politically important and admitted it?

[imawhosure]

Then tell Trump to go after the bad first.
He's putting the bulk of ICE resources going after immigration violations, not those charged or convicted of crimes.

Why should any stay?

What Postman says is absurd beyond belief. If ICE targets some bad hombres, raids and other illegals are snatched up also, letting them go is counter productive. Why? So sometime in the future they have to waste resources to catch them again?

How many of you seen......read about the ICE raid on Colorado Springs about a month ago? They got about 12 bad hombres, and about 75 illegals in a dance club created for them, specifically FOR ILLEGALS. People were caught with guns, drugs, and many already had arrest warrants.

Let me ask all of you something--------------bad hombre ILLEGAL ALIENS, where do you think they are most likely to be-----------> A. A Black neighborhood, B. A white neighborhood, or C. a conclave of immigrants in their own neighborhood!

And so, maybe the regular illegals that are NOT bad hombres, should tell them to get the he** out! Because ICE is going to go where the bad ones are, and if regular illegals get swept up with them, to sad, but cya!

 

[Anathema]

I was taught that when new information changes old assumptions, to admit you changed positions.

I was taught that there is no new information. RIGHT and WRONG have existed, unchanging, since the beginning of time. It’s that simple.

 

[Anathema]

Never? Then you weren't taught strength. You were taught fear. You were trained to cling, not to think. The idea that changing your mind proves you never believed anything to begin with is not conviction; that’s insecurity dressed as pride. It means your beliefs are so brittle that reality isn’t allowed to touch them.

If your worldview can’t survive exposure to new information, evolving experience, or honest reflection, then it was never built on truth. It was built on obedience. Conviction isn’t the refusal to grow. It’s the courage to stay honest when growth demands it.

Even steel gets tempered. Trees bend in storms so they don’t snap. But you? You think standing still makes you strong. It doesn’t. It makes you hollow. It makes you a replica of someone else’s ideas, too scared to ask if they were ever worthy of loyalty.

If you've never changed your mind, then nothing you believe was earned. It was inherited, and no matter how loudly you call that loyalty, it isn’t strength. It’s submission.

What I was taught was the simple and timeless ideology of RIGHT and WRONG. There is nothing else. There are no grey areas. There are no exceptions. There is no new information. It’s just that simple.

Call it whatever you will. Agree or disagree. Thst is your right. Just don’t waste either of our time trying to change my mind as I won’t waste my time trying to change yours.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Think back.

Not just something minor or trendy. Something you genuinely believed until you didn’t.

If that hasn’t happened in a long time, maybe you’ve stopped thinking. Most people don’t grow. They just settle into a political costume and call it wisdom.

They pick a side, inherit the script, memorize the heroes, and build their identity around never questioning it again, but if your views never evolve, maybe your values aren’t values; they’re habits.

If you can’t remember the last time you were wrong, then you’re probably still wrong about something right now.

I’ve definitely changed my views on abortion. I highly encourage liberals to have as many as they possibly can. I think we should have mobile abortion rigs on every corner in every disgusting blue shithole in America offering free walk-in abortions around the clock…it should never ever close.
Beyond that there is no common ground to be shared between liberals and conservatives. There isn’t one single issue or policy that libs push that is anywhere even close to reasonable…They and all their positions/policies are anti American and batshit crazy.

 

[BrokeLoser]

What I was taught was the simple and timeless ideology of RIGHT and WRONG. There is nothing else. There are no grey areas. There are no exceptions. There is no new information. It’s just that simple.

Call it whatever you will. Agree or disagree. Thst is your right. Just don’t waste either of our time trying to change my mind as I won’t waste my time trying to change yours.

but but but…..PROGRESS!

 

[Correll]

Think back.

Not just something minor or trendy. Something you genuinely believed until you didn’t.

If that hasn’t happened in a long time, maybe you’ve stopped thinking. Most people don’t grow. They just settle into a political costume and call it wisdom.

They pick a side, inherit the script, memorize the heroes, and build their identity around never questioning it again, but if your views never evolve, maybe your values aren’t values; they’re habits.

If you can’t remember the last time you were wrong, then you’re probably still wrong about something right now.

I was pretty pesimistic over the US's long term prospects with Minority Majority coming down the pike.

With the hispanic vote breaking more normally in the 2024 election, I am feeling a lot better about the ability of America to assimilate the hispanics and for America to survive in a recognizable form.

I will be paying close attention to voting patterns come 2028.

 

[Anathema]

but but but…..PROGRESS!

Progress is a tool to get people to do what they CAN rather than what they SHOULD.,

 

[Anomalism]

I’ve definitely changed my views on abortion. I highly encourage liberals to have as many as they possibly can. I think we should have mobile abortion rigs on every corner in every disgusting blue shithole in America offering free walk-in abortions around the clock…it should never ever close.
Beyond that there is no common ground to be shared between liberals and conservatives. There isn’t one single issue or policy that libs push that is anywhere even close to reasonable…They and all their positions/policies are anti American and batshit crazy.
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Did you challenge a belief, or did you double down on hatred and call it clarity?

You say there’s no common ground, but that’s not a political position. That’s an emotional confession. It means your identity is so tribal that the only way to protect it is to call half the country subhuman.

If your entire worldview requires you to celebrate death, dehumanize your opponents, and imagine mobile abortion vans as a punchline, then your real problem isn’t political. It’s that you've mistaken your bitterness for wisdom. You haven’t changed.
You’ve just calcified. You're angrier, louder, and less free.

And maybe deep down, you know it.

 

[my2¢]

Sometime over the last 25 years, or so, my view of taxes evolved. I used to be against any federal tax increases because limiting the money in Washington's hands would somewhat curb their over-spending. Over these last 25 years there's been an extended lack of constraint regarding spending and the only solution I see is for the public to pay through the nose until coming to their senses and electing true fiscal conservatives, which has reached a point of near non-existence.

 

[Correll]

Did you challenge a belief, or did you double down on hatred and call it clarity?

You say there’s no common ground, but that’s not a political position. That’s an emotional confession. It means your identity is so tribal that the only way to protect it is to call half the country subhuman.

If your entire worldview requires you to celebrate death, dehumanize your opponents, and imagine mobile abortion vans as a punchline, then your real problem isn’t political. It’s that you've mistaken your bitterness for wisdom. You haven’t changed.
You’ve just calcified. You're angrier, louder, and less free.

And maybe deep down, you know it.

Everytime that a lefty has called a republican racist, to silence him, the anger from that, didn't go away.

It was making us more and more mad with the assholes of the left.

Us on the right being angry is not us not being free. It is us responding appropriately to people who have been assholes to us for decades.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Did you challenge a belief, or did you double down on hatred and call it clarity?

You say there’s no common ground, but that’s not a political position. That’s an emotional confession. It means your identity is so tribal that the only way to protect it is to call half the country subhuman.

If your entire worldview requires you to celebrate death, dehumanize your opponents, and imagine mobile abortion vans as a punchline, then your real problem isn’t political. It’s that you've mistaken your bitterness for wisdom. You haven’t changed.
You’ve just calcified. You're angrier, louder, and less free.

And maybe deep down, you know it.

That’s quite an observation…lots of projection.
Let’s turn the tables….what positions, ideals or policies do you think liberals and conservatives are close enough on that one could be or should be compelled to change perspective?

 

[sartre play]

The order was always, and has been from day one, to “Go after the criminals first, however if there are non criminal illegals present, they go too”

Why is that so hard to understand?

Yes hard to understand, We have Russian ,Chinese, Mexican & other mafia, Large groups doing HUGE harm.
None of these smaller things being done are ok. they just do not even get in the ball park. with the big destroyers.

 

[Anomalism]

What I was taught was the simple and timeless ideology of RIGHT and WRONG. There is nothing else. There are no grey areas. There are no exceptions. There is no new information. It’s just that simple.

Call it whatever you will. Agree or disagree. Thst is your right. Just don’t waste either of our time trying to change my mind as I won’t waste my time trying to change yours.

When someone clings to absolutism this tightly, it’s not about truth anymore; it’s about control. You think declaring the conversation closed makes you strong, but it makes you exposed.

You say there’s nothing but right and wrong. No gray, no nuance, no exceptions. No new information. Just certainty. If the truth turned out to be more complex than your ideology allowed, would you even want to know?

When you say "don’t waste time trying to change my mind" what you’re really saying is that your beliefs are immune to truth, not shaped by it. You call that timeless. I call it fear in a glass box. It’s tidy. Predictable. Safe. It's not real thinking though. It’s retreat.

Right and wrong are important, but only if you have the courage to keep earning your definitions, and anyone who says “there is no new information” has already decided that comfort matters more than truth. That’s not strength. That’s surrender. You didn’t choose your beliefs. You froze them in place and called it wisdom.

 

[postman]

Why should any stay?

This is like anything in life. There are priorities, because you can't do everything at once.

Do you go after the murders and the rapists and other criminals as job one.

Or do you divert almost 90% of your resources, going after the immigration violators.

Knowing that diverting resources means more criminals remain free to hurt or kill Americans.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Progress is a tool to get people to do what they CAN rather than what they SHOULD.,

That’s the guise they’ve used for decades….Anything different is “PROGRESS” and everything progressive is so new-age, advanced and COOL!

 

[Correll]

When someone clings to absolutism this tightly, it’s not about truth anymore; it’s about control. You think declaring the conversation closed makes you strong, but it makes you exposed.

You say there’s nothing but right and wrong. No gray, no nuance, no exceptions. No new information. Just certainty. If the truth turned out to be more complex than your ideology allowed, would you even want to know?

When you say "don’t waste time trying to change my mind" what you’re really saying is that your beliefs are immune to truth, not shaped by it. You call that timeless. I call it fear in a glass box. It’s tidy. Predictable. Safe. It's not real thinking though. It’s retreat.

Right and wrong are important, but only if you have the courage to keep earning your definitions, and anyone who says “there is no new information” has already decided that comfort matters more than truth. That’s not strength. That’s surrender. You didn’t choose your beliefs. You froze them in place and called it wisdom.

When is the last time YOU changed your mind on something politically important?

 

[Foxfyre]

Think back.

Not just something minor or trendy. Something you genuinely believed until you didn’t.

If that hasn’t happened in a long time, maybe you’ve stopped thinking. Most people don’t grow. They just settle into a political costume and call it wisdom.

They pick a side, inherit the script, memorize the heroes, and build their identity around never questioning it again, but if your views never evolve, maybe your values aren’t values; they’re habits.

If you can’t remember the last time you were wrong, then you’re probably still wrong about something right now.

For a along time, even after they got 'woke', I believed most Democrat activists wanted good things for America. I no longer believe that. They have convinced me that their long game is to dismantle and destroy America as it was intended to be and to install a totalitarian government that they control. I was once a good Democrat. I cannot imagine anyone with a heart or brain or ability for any measure of critical thinking belonging to that party now.

I was strongly opposed to tariffs until observing the results of the current Administration policy. I can't say I have 100% changed my mind, but I have to acknowledge that they are accomplishing some good things. That coupled with needed government austerity and promoting economic growth has pretty much stopped the bleeding. We have the best chance we have had in many many decades to reverse increasing the national debt

I believed there was an Epstein list until there wasn't. I think if such a list existed, it was destroyed before Trump took office. I believed Epstein was murdered until Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, both extremely strong advocates for that theory, changed their position after having a chance to go over the evidence on file at the FBI. While most of my fellow Patriots have not changed their opinion on that, I choose to trust Patel and Bongino.

But my political philosophy since I was old enough to actually have one has been to advocate for a strong, free, secure, prosperous America that offers as much as reasonably possible liberty, choices, options, opportunity, ability to prosper for all Americans. That is the MAGA vision, the vision of America held by the Founders and promoted in the finest traditions of libertarianism (little "L") or classical liberalism. That is why I voted for President Trump and Republicans who share that vision I have held for a very long time now. I can't imagine changing my mind about that.

 

[Anomalism]

That’s quite an observation…lots of projection.
Let’s turn the tables….what positions, ideals or policies do you think liberals and conservatives are close enough on that one could be or should be compelled to change perspective?

The issue isn’t which policy to debate. It’s the fact that you think the only form of growth is agreement. You’re asking what idea could make someone change sides, but why do you think sides are the only thing that matter?

Liberals and conservatives both have blind spots. That’s not controversial. The real danger isn’t in disagreement; it’s in identity-based thinking, where changing your mind feels like betrayal instead of maturity.

People aren’t imprisoned by bad policies.
They’re imprisoned by the fear of being disloyal to their tribe. Maybe the better question isn’t “what issue could change someone’s perspective?” Maybe it’s "What would it take for you to admit your side is wrong about something without needing to flip teams or burn everything down?"

Until you can answer that, you’re not defending truth.

 

[postman]

The order was always, and has been from day one, to “Go after the criminals first, however if there are non criminal illegals present, they go too”

Why is that so hard to understand?

Because that isn't the reality.
Trump may have said go after the criminals first, but he also said he wants so many thousand detained each day.
And the only way ICE can reach that numberl with their limited resources, is to go after tax paying, church going illegals, where you know where they work, where they go to church, or when they show up for immigration appointments.

 

[Anathema]

When someone clings to absolutism this tightly, it’s not about truth anymore; it’s about control. You think declaring the conversation closed makes you strong, but it makes you exposed.

You say there’s nothing but right and wrong. No gray, no nuance, no exceptions. No new information. Just certainty. If the truth turned out to be more complex than your ideology allowed, would you even want to know?

When you say "don’t waste time trying to change my mind" what you’re really saying is that your beliefs are immune to truth, not shaped by it. You call that timeless. I call it fear in a glass box. It’s tidy. Predictable. Safe. It's not real thinking though. It’s retreat.

Right and wrong are important, but only if you have the courage to keep earning your definitions, and anyone who says “there is no new information” has already decided that comfort matters more than truth. That’s not strength. That’s surrender. You didn’t choose your beliefs. You froze them in place and called it wisdom.

I didn’t and haven’t done anything. RIGHT and WRONG have existed, unchanging and unfaltering since the beginning of time. Passed down from generation to generation. No need to be investigated or questioned as they have been proven through the annals of time.

Those who seek to change, dilute or otherwise harm those definitions must, by definition be proponents of WRONGness. It’s just that simple.