When was America Great

[Sherlock Holmes]

Buzz Aldrin.

Oh yes, I know - heroes all of them.

 

[eagle1462010]

The US entered both wars out of self interest.

We gave you the word "wankers" and you don't even thank us.

BS We saved your butts. Then we got stupid and didnt go back to isolationism

 

[Maxdeath]

In which post?

Very well, I'll retract the weakling label.

Well I apologize, the fact is I strongly suspect you believe Trump won the presidency in 2020, if you care to correct that as an error on my part, please do.

Other places become more attractive as the US becomes less attractive. As the US changes and (for example) has a system in which an insurrectionist former President walks free, that undermines any claim that it is a society based on law and order and integrity and fairness.

A law abiding black military man can be shot in his own home by the police but an insurrectionist cheating lying conman walks Scott free? No, that ain't right.

The US is unaffordable for many retirees who need medical care and treatment, when a person is in their 60s with a wife who has a chronic illness and her own country cannot help her, one will go somewhere where they will.

20,000 people a year die in the US because they cannot afford medical bills, how is that the world's greatest country? I believed it was all my life but after 2020 that changed forever.

Understand, as an immigrant I have the greatest respect for the country's laws and customs but when I see them being flaunted as they were by Trump and millions of people defending that conduct, it's a kind of shock, kind of a wake up call that it's all a sham.

Here again you show that you have no idea who I am and you want to believe that you are somehow superior.
How many die in other counties because their medical system is stressed to the limit? How many suffer needlessly because they are waiting in a que?
You convicted Trump but allowed Biden to run free.
Harris was unable to get even enough votes in her home state to even matter but was chosen simply because she could use the campaign funds. She had no real plans. She agreed with everything Biden did (which a large part of the population said was on the wrong path).
You could not talk me into living in England or some of the other EU countries because they have their own major problems.
You claim that you believe in the law but you convicted Trump without a trial.
I wish we were given better candidates but we definitely dodge a bullet with Hillary and Harris.
The public was lied to when they told us Biden was sharp as a tack. They even tried to cover up his bad performance at the debate as jet lag and other things.
You ask did Biden win. Yes, but he won only because of states making changes to their voting without state congressional approval.

 

[sparky]

Vapor, all vapor the US is rapidly transitioning into an oligarchy

yes, but no different than any other sosio-political system on this rock right now Sherlock

The biggest problem now is that traditional Americanism itself has been watered down and trivialized and reduced to a mere catch phrase to be used as a form of currency by those who wish to discourage any memory of the traditional American heritage and to transform it.

ah jeez , you would go there Natty

this could be one long thread addressing that sentiment

~S~

 

[Maxdeath]

You’re dreaming. Little will change.

I have a hope that we will not be forced into a war. We already have two wars going by proxy.
There are already talks about the wars deescalating.
I wondered what Harris was planning because she waffled from no wall to wall, no fracking to fracking. She stole her platform from others.
I wondered who she was going to get for an interpreter to make heads or tails out of her stream of nonsense when she was not doing a rehearsed speech or reading from a teleprompter.
Things might not be a big change but if they change even a little for the better I am good with that

 

[BackAgain]

You mean during WW2? after or before Pearl Harbor? so losing half a million men was when we were "great"? you mean we need wars again?

What a retarded and dishonest effort at spin.

Hey Shithead Homeless, GFY.

 

[Natural Citizen]

ah jeez , you would go there Natty

this could be one long thread addressing that sentiment

~S~

When I said that, there was so much more that I wanted to say. Because there's really a lot to say about the phenomenon.

But...it's one of those things where you can produce a lot of mental data regarding the phenomenon and more broadly, its regressive impact on the traditional American ideal in just a few seconds, but it would take several paragraphs to transcribe.

There's a table for that discussion, but I do not believe it is here. It would be a waste of time, I think.

 

[gipper]

I have a hope that we will not be forced into a war. We already have two wars going by proxy.
There are already talks about the wars deescalating.
I wondered what Harris was planning because she waffled from no wall to wall, no fracking to fracking. She stole her platform from others.
I wondered who she was going to get for an interpreter to make heads or tails out of her stream of nonsense when she was not doing a rehearsed speech or reading from a teleprompter.
Things might not be a big change but if they change even a little for the better I am good with that

Harris was awful and offered nothing more than four more years of Genocide Joe, which could be why she lost. She was a nothing VP.

I’m afraid Trump won’t change much

 

[Maxdeath]

Harris was awful and offered nothing more than four more years of Genocide Joe, which could be why she lost. She was a nothing VP.

I’m afraid Trump won’t change much

You could be right. But as I said I will be happy since it is not Harris and if we do not end in a boots on the ground war

 

[tshrimp]

That last time it was great was 4 years ago, and the voters remember. Is this type of post really all the left has going for it right now?

 

[zaangalewa]

Yeah, we don't have a Pope to appoint our leaders.

The Holy Roman Empire of German (=United) Nation was not holy, was not Roman and was no empire. "Holy" meant basing on Christian values, "Roman" meant basing on [written] laws and "Empire" meant "realm [of rule]" but "Roman Empire" meant also "encultured and civilized" and "historical continuity". The Pope and the Emperor had been independent institutions (first steps into a growing seperation of religion and state) - but both had been elected. The elections of the US-American president follows for example the same form as the election of the Pope. This is the oldest still active election on the whole planet. Dioceses send their Cardinals. Not every single diocese has a cardinal but every 'country' (represented in some dioceses) has cardinals. Cardinals are structurally the same as electors. In case of the Emperor (spoken out "der Kaiser" as in the original Latin language was spoken out [Julius] Cesar) existed Electorates who elected the "Roman king" and this Frankonian/German king was from 800/936-1338 crowned from the Pope in Rome to be Roman Emperor. Then was defined: “According to the law and the time-honored custom of the empire, one who is elected Roman king by the electors of the empire or, even in case of disagreement, by a majority of them, requires no nomination, approbation, confirmation, consent or authority of the apostolic sea for the administration of the goods and rights of the empire or for the acceptance of the title of king.” (Rhenser Weistum, Juli 16th 1338). Since 1508 the title is “Elected Roman Emperor”. In the counter process never a German became Pope. Why this was so I do not really know. But indeed Rome/Vatican and Aachen/Frankfurt had had a very complex interdependent system which became more and more independent from each other. Nevertheless exist still today - ¿again? - ethic commitees in states, country and companies with also a spiritual influence on politics. Politics has not to be an amoral politics as it had been for example in the Bush doctrine "preemptive strike" - which made "morally" possible the war in Iraq and which was rejected from all big Christian confessions as to be without moral. Only the Anglican church made an exception - but the head of the Anglican church is the British king. And who still thinks today the British king is able to be a spiritual leader?

(By the way: The real Roman emperor (Byzantium) was not called "Cesar" but "Augustus". The Holy Roman Empire had also many contacts to Byzantium. The last Augustus had been Manuel II Palaiologos.)

 

[Nobody911]

I'd like an answer to this, at what time in history was America "great" in the sense the MAGATS want to return to that? Is there an approx date? is there a specific previous administration that fits the description?

"Make America Great Again" (MAGA) was a central slogan of Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. The phrase is somewhat ambiguous and open to interpretation, but it generally refers to Trump's promise to restore America's former greatness, which he believed had been lost due to various factors such as globalization, immigration, and government policies.

Trump's vision of a "great" America was often associated with the country's past economic prosperity, military strength, and cultural dominance. He argued that America had become weak and divided, and that he would take steps to revitalize the economy, create jobs, and restore the country's global influence.

Some of the specific issues that Trump associated with his "Make America Great Again" agenda included:

• Reducing immigration and building a wall along the US-Mexico border
• Renegotiating trade agreements to protect American jobs and industries
• Reducing government regulations and taxes to stimulate economic growth
• Increasing military spending and projecting American power abroad
• Promoting a more conservative and traditional American culture

Overall, Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan was a rallying cry for his supporters, who felt that the country had lost its way and needed a strong leader to restore its former greatness. However, the phrase was also criticized by many as being overly simplistic and divisive, and for promoting a nostalgic and unrealistic view of America's past.

America should be like grass, not a big tree. Grass always survives fierce storms, while a big tree does not.

 

[Moonglow]

The Holy Roman Empire of German (=United) Nation was not holy, was not Roman and was no empire. "Holy" meant basing on Christian values, "Roman" meant basing on [written] laws and "Empire" meant "realm [of rule]" but "Roman Empire" meant also "encultured and civilized" and "historical continuity". The Pope and the Emperor had been independent institutions (first steps into a growing seperation of religion and state) - but both had been elected. The elections of the US-American president follows for example the same form as the election of the Pope. This is the oldest still active election on the whole planet. Dioceses send their Cardinals. Not every single diocese has a cardinal but every 'country' (represented in some dioceses) has cardinals. Cardinals are structurally the same as electors. In case of the Emperor (spoken out "der Kaiser" as in the original Latin language was spoken out [Julius] Cesar) existed Electorates who elected the "Roman king" and this Frankonian/German king was from 800/936-1338 crowned from the Pope in Rome to be Roman Emperor. Then was defined: “According to the law and the time-honored custom of the empire, one who is elected Roman king by the electors of the empire or, even in case of disagreement, by a majority of them, requires no nomination, approbation, confirmation, consent or authority of the apostolic sea for the administration of the goods and rights of the empire or for the acceptance of the title of king.” (Rhenser Weistum, Juli 16th 1338). Since 1508 the title is “Elected Roman Emperor”. In the counter process never a German became Pope. Why this was so I do not really know. But indeed Rome/Vatican and Aachen/Frankfurt had had a very complex interdependent system which became more and more independent from each other. Nevertheless exist still today - ¿again? - ethic commitees in states, country and companies with also a spiritual influence on politics. Politics has not to be an amoral politics as it had been for example in the Bush doctrine "preemptive strike" - which made "morally" possible the war in Iraq and which was rejected from all big Christian confessions as to be without moral. Only the Anglican church made an exception - but the head of the Anglican church is the British king. And who still thinks today the British king is able to be a spiritual leader?

(By the way: The real Roman emperor (Byzantium) was not called "Cesar" but "Augustus". The Holy Roman Empire had also many contacts to Byzantium. The last Augustus had been Manuel II Palaiologos.)

Most of the Popes bought their position as did the emperor's by battles won.

 

[j-mac]

Sorry, I thought we were having an adult conversation, bye.

Oh, so an “adult” conversation is where you get to insult me, and I have to take it?

Look, America’s greatness is in the fact that we are ALL created equal, and have rights.

Rights that I wore the uniform to protect for 6 years….

A constitution that limits the power of a government to that which protects the individual from the over reach that we saw for the last 4 years, and allows the people to change the leadership when they become unresponsive to the will of the citizens….

 

[initforme]

OK that's getting somewhere the 1950s, but what is "Mayberry"?

The 50s are gone never coming back. So thankful for that. I hated that era passionately.

 

[j-mac]

America has not been great for everyone at any time.

If not, in your mind, that’s because you can’t see past your own petty grievance…The wrongs of the past were rectified, and you have the opportunity your decedents never had.

 

[struth]

I'd like an answer to this, at what time in history was America "great" in the sense the MAGATS want to return to that? Is there an approx date? is there a specific previous administration that fits the description?

About 4.5 years ago

 

[Unkotare]

The 50s are gone never coming back. So thankful for that. I hated that era passionately.

Well you were middle-aged, so you were probably cranky.

 

[OldFlame]

I'd like an answer to this, at what time in history was America "great" in the sense the MAGATS want to return to that? Is there an approx date? is there a specific previous administration that fits the description?

Thank you for so eloquently displaying the entire reason the left is what it is in one concise sentence, and why it must be defeated and pushed to the edge of relevancy for good.

 

[JusticeHammer]

Yes, I understand your approach, and you loons predicted a Trump win in 2020 and then lied through your teeth when he lost something the Democrats didn't do and nor will they storm the capitol building, happy daydreaming.

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There is no way Biden won in 2020 legitimately.