“When people condemn Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking antisemites.”

[rosends]

No, most of them are just trying to get by day to day without the Zionists murdering them like they have 50,000 people in Gaza

actually, they are very happy to live in Israel and have all the rights that any citizen does.

WATCH: Muslim Arab-Israeli Expresses 'Neverending Love' for the Jewish State | United with Israel

On Israel's Independence Day, Sarah Zoabi, a Muslim Arab-Israeli, expresses her profound 'love and loyalty' for the Jewish state.

unitedwithisrael.org

"Nuh-uh" isn't an argument. Gaza is exactly what the Apartheid regime tried to do in the last days, they declared the most undesirable parts of South Africa as "homelands" for the Zulu and Xhosa.

wow! You really don't know anything. Not only is Gaza a very desirable location (I have been there. Have you?), but it had no Israelis in it since 2006 so claims of "apartheid" are, on their face, completely impossible. It was what the Arabs wanted, so it was given over with an infrastructure.

Have a degree in history, thanks. I just don't accept the Hollywood version of history where you are the "Good Guys".

If that's even true then it should be seen as an embarrassment to any institution which conferred it because you know so little.

We are sending billions over there and have been fighting wars there since the 1980s. Um, yeah, it is happening.

That's the case in other areas of the world. If you are an isolationist, are you consistent about that?

Ever here of AIPAC? Can you name another foreign government that has a lobby as powerful as AIPAC?

That's a lobby for a foreign government? I have heard that accusation. I haven't seen anything that supports it though.

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maybe they run the government.

Um, something about due process. None of the people being deported or held actually committed any crimes or broken any laws.

I haven't read up on all the cases. I know that in some, the issue wasn't criminal in that sense, nor is it a matter of first amendment rights, but that the people involved crossed lines established by other acts. I don't support a lot of what the US government is doing but criticisms need to address the actual facts of each case (and the fact that in many cases, the US government had not reviewed salient facts)

US government expands grounds for canceling international students’ legal status

Foreign students around the country were rattled over the past month to learn their student status had been canceled by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

www.wect.com

What crime did Mahmoud Khalil break? What law did Rumeysa Ozturk break?

google is your friend

Columbia University activist Mahmoud Khalil can be deported, immigration judge rules

A Louisiana immigration judge has ruled that the U.S. can deport Mahmoud Khalil based on the federal government’s argument that he poses a national security risk. His lawyers are expected to appeal, and a federal judge in New Jersey has temporarily barred Khalil’s removal from the country.

apnews.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/29/g-s1-63289/tufts-student-rumeysa-ozturk-immigration-detention#:~:text=A%20Department%20of%20Homeland%20Security,a%20U.S.%2Ddesignated%20terrorist%20group.

 

[JoeB131]

actually, they are very happy to live in Israel and have all the rights that any citizen does.

If that were the case, you wouldn't be oppressing them.

google is your friend

I'm not seeing a law broken yet.

I haven't read up on all the cases. I know that in some, the issue wasn't criminal in that sense, nor is it a matter of first amendment rights, but that the people involved crossed lines established by other acts. I don't support a lot of what the US government is doing but criticisms need to address the actual facts of each case (and the fact that in many cases, the US government had not reviewed salient facts)

In short, you know these people didn't do anything wrong, but you are fine with oppressing them.

I can get why you guys are scared. The Vietnam War and Apartheid both started to die on the campuses because kids said,
NO.

 

[rosends]

If that were the case, you wouldn't be oppressing them.

I'm not. They are happy. They aren't being oppressed by anyone.

I'm not seeing a law broken yet.

Then you didn't read.

In short, you know these people didn't do anything wrong, but you are fine with oppressing them.

If that's the critical reading and thinking skill you developed getting your supposed history degree, the school should be ashamed of itself.

I can get why you guys are scared. The Vietnam War and Apartheid both started to die on the campuses because kids said,
NO.

Look, an irrelevant comment. How novel.

 

[JoeB131]

Then you didn't read.

Again- specifically state what law either Mahmoud Khalil or Rümeysa Öztürk have violated.

Last time I checked, 'Hurting some Jew's feelings" wasn't a crime in this country.

If that's the critical reading and thinking skill you developed getting your supposed history degree, the school should be ashamed of itself.

Again, you have to sift through the Zionist propaganda, but Zionism has worn out it's welcome on college campuses a long time ago.

Look, an irrelevant comment. How novel.

Oh, look, more dodging.

 

[rosends]

Again- specifically state what law either Mahmoud Khalil or Rümeysa Öztürk have violated.

The articles listed the justification for government action. As I said, it isn't necessarily criminal, but a violation of another sort.

Last time I checked, 'Hurting some Jew's feelings" wasn't a crime in this country.

Last time I checked, that wasn't why they were detained.

Again, you have to sift through the Zionist propaganda, but Zionism has worn out it's welcome on college campuses a long time ago.

Anything you don't like is called Zionist propaganda. When you can't refute, you dismiss.

 

[JoeB131]

The articles listed the justification for government action. As I said, it isn't necessarily criminal, but a violation of another sort.

So no criminal count, just that they hurt Jewish feelings.

Last time I checked, that wasn't why they were detained.

That's exactly why they were detained.

Anything you don't like is called Zionist propaganda. When you can't refute, you dismiss.

Because you can't rationalize Zionism any more than you can rationalize Apartheid or Jim Crow.

 

[rosends]

So no criminal count, just that they hurt Jewish feelings.

there are courts besides criminal courts. I guess your "history degree" didn't cover that.

That's exactly why they were detained.

You still haven't read any news on it because you think it is all "hollywood"?

Because you can't rationalize Zionism any more than you can rationalize Apartheid or Jim Crow.

Who is rationalizing apartheid? You simply don't know what it is. Same way that you don't know what Zionism is. Your ignorance if egalitarian -- good for you!

 

[JoeB131]

there are courts besides criminal courts. I guess your "history degree" didn't cover that.

Um, no, guy, you can pretend all day that this is okay, but what you are trying to do is kill an idea.

Still waiting for you tell me what laws they broke.

You still haven't read any news on it because you think it is all "hollywood"?

I've read lots of news. Even with the Jews running most media in this country, you can see what is going on in Palestine is wrong.

Most of the rest of the world sees this.

Who is rationalizing apartheid? You simply don't know what it is. Same way that you don't know what Zionism is. Your ignorance if egalitarian -- good for you!

Well, no, pretending what you shitheads are doing isn't evil and you have no idea why the Arab world wants to murder you is what is truly ignorant. Willfully so.

I just don't see why America needs to be involved.

 

[rosends]

Um, no, guy, you can pretend all day that this is okay, but what you are trying to do is kill an idea.

Still waiting for you tell me what laws they broke.

still waiting for you to learn about the legal system and read the articles I presented.

I've read lots of news. Even with the Jews running most media in this country, you can see what is going on in Palestine is wrong.

Oh...Jews control the media. How unexpected.

Well, no, pretending what you shitheads are doing isn't evil and you have no idea why the Arab world wants to murder you is what is truly ignorant. Willfully so.

When you don't really know what is going on, you make statements like that. Get educated.

I just don't see why America needs to be involved.

So you are a blanket isolationist?

 

[JoeB131]

still waiting for you to learn about the legal system and read the articles I presented.

Nope.

You should be able to name a law these people broke that demanded they be incarcerated.

This is ******* AMERICA, *****. We don't lock people up for political opinions.

 

[rosends]

Nope.

You should be able to name a law these people broke that demanded they be incarcerated.

This is ******* AMERICA, *****. We don't lock people up for political opinions.

We do lock people up for lying on forms that gave them an excuse to be here. People get deported for many reasons. Those aren't crimes in the legal sense but infractions against the system that allows non Americans to move here. Learn a little.

 

[JoeB131]

We do lock people up for lying on forms that gave them an excuse to be here. People get deported for many reasons. Those aren't crimes in the legal sense but infractions against the system that allows non Americans to move here. Learn a little.

Except nobody lied on their forms.

I'm pretty sure the form doesn't have a box that says, "You will never criticize our Jew Overlords when visiting America".

 

[rosends]

Except nobody lied on their forms.

I'm pretty sure the form doesn't have a box that says, "You will never criticize our Jew Overlords when visiting America".

Then you are really ignorant of the facts. If only you had read the articles I posted. Horse, meet water.

 

[JoeB131]

Then you are really ignorant of the facts. If only you had read the articles I posted. Horse, meet water.

How about stating your case of what laws these college students broke, instead of wasting my time on a link I'm not going to read.

State EXACTLY which law these two students broke.

Of course, you can't.

 

[Lisa558]

When I was a kid, an antisemitic neighbor named Joe with a last name starting with B walked into my house one Friday evening when my parents were at Shabbos services, walked over to the Shabbos candles, blew them out while I stood there in alarm (and scared), and said “that’s what I think of your f’ing religion.” He also was a Catholic School boy.

The raging antisemitic JoeB on this thread has also admitted he was a Catholic School boy. I’m wondering if it’s the same reprehensible Jew-hater.

 

[JoeB131]

When I was a kid, an antisemitic neighbor named Joe with a last name starting with B walked into my house one Friday evening when my parents were at Shabbos services, walked over to the Shabbos candles, blew them out while I stood there in alarm (and scared), and said “that’s what I think of your f’ing religion.” He also was a Catholic School boy.

The raging antisemitic JoeB on this thread has also admitted he was a Catholic School boy. I’m wondering if it’s the same reprehensible Jew-hater.

Naw, I lived in a Jew free neighborhood growing up.

I didn't encounter you people until college.

The sense of entitlement, the dishonesty, the sheer awfulness was something to behold.

You know, the kind of people who would lock up college students for having opinions they don't like. I'm sure that the Jewish students of UIC would happily have locked up the Palestinian students.

(As an aside, I used to be on the Space Allocation Committee, where we allocated office space to student groups, and we had to make sure that we didn't put the Palestinian organization anywhere near the Hillel offices.

 

[rosends]

How about stating your case of what laws these college students broke, instead of wasting my time on a link I'm not going to read.

State EXACTLY which law these two students broke.

Of course, you can't.

You want the name of a crime but don't understand that detainment and deportation are not necessarily functions of crimes. You have now outright stated that you won't read the articles I presented which answer your question. That's called "willful ignorance". Please let me know what school supposedly conferred a history degree on you so that I can know where to advise my students not to go.

"The government’s contention that Khalil’s presence in the U.S. posed “potentially serious foreign policy consequences” satisfied requirements for deportation, Immigration Judge Jamee E. Comans said at a hearing in Jena."

if you have a problem with immigration law, tell it to the judge.

 

[JoeB131]

You want the name of a crime but don't understand that detainment and deportation are not necessarily functions of crimes. You have now outright stated that you won't read the articles I presented which answer your question. That's called "willful ignorance". Please let me know what school supposedly conferred a history degree on you so that I can know where to advise my students not to go.

Nope, you should either be able to justify detaining and deporting these students by proving the broke a law, not just because you don't like what they have to say.

If you don't like what they have to say, refute it in the public forum. That's how we do things in this country. Not how the Genocidal Zionist Apartheid Entity does things, of course, they think they can grind the Palestinian people down. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

"The government’s contention that Khalil’s presence in the U.S. posed “potentially serious foreign policy consequences” satisfied requirements for deportation, Immigration Judge Jamee E. Comans said at a hearing in Jena."

Except the government hasn't really made that case. We don't have a foreign policy consequence because some student are saying genocide is bad. We have a consequence because the Zionist Squatters are committing genocide.

if you have a problem with immigration law, tell it to the judge.

Okay, let's put it in front of a judge where Khalil and his wife actually live, not forum shop to Louisiana to find a judge willing to go full Nazi

 

[rosends]

Nope, you should either be able to justify detaining and deporting these students by proving the broke a law, not just because you don't like what they have to say.

But that's not what the government did. Are you even following this discussion?

If you don't like what they have to say, refute it in the public forum. That's how we do things in this country. Not how the Genocidal Zionist Apartheid Entity does things, of course, they think they can grind the Palestinian people down. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

so you don't know American law. Unsurprising.

Except the government hasn't really made that case. We don't have a foreign policy consequence because some student are saying genocide is bad. We have a consequence because the Zionist Squatters are committing genocide.

Strange. The judge said they HAVE made that case. I'll defer to a judge over an anonymous internet poseur.

Okay, let's put it in front of a judge where Khalil and his wife actually live, not forum shop to Louisiana to find a judge willing to go full Nazi

ah, so since a judge doesn't follow your thinking, he must be a Nazi. Brilliant.

 

[JoeB131]

But that's not what the government did. Are you even following this discussion?

Where's the crime?

so you don't know American law. Unsurprising.

Trump is violating American Law.

Strange. The judge said they HAVE made that case. I'll defer to a judge over an anonymous internet poseur.

Oh, by that logic, then what Hitler did was okay because he found judges willing to go along with it, eh?