When Libertarians or the like say “I mind my own business”/ “live and let live” what do they really mean? Is there really a Libertarian Party anymore?

[Natural Citizen]

Parents should be conservative.

Well many would do well to learn what it means first.

Carrying water for government's demand for paperz pleez from parents before a web site can be accessed from the home ain't it.

It's the role of the parent to shield and protect their children. Not the government's.

What you're basically saying is ''I'm not competent to run my household or my family, so I need the government to come in and put me on a list and to set the terms of how things are done under my roof.''

But whatever.

People will always get what they ask for. Nice and hard, too...

 

[BrokeLoser]

Er.. no, it's means I have no moral right to tell others how to live their lives and what the best choices for other people are. That does not mean libertarians are "happy" with what the authoritarian government worshipers have been up to, quite the opposite actually.

Non-aggression principle, learn it, live it, love it.

That's all I need. You guys are busybody statists, bent on using the government to force others to bend to your will. You're the opposite of libertarian.

There are very few conservatives left in America today. Very few.

The modern ''conservative'' will send a government gun to fulfill their will just as quickly as their so-called ''liberal'' counterparts.

The not so odd thing is…Lib-Tarians always seem to fail to notice that progressive leftists have infiltrated our institutions…academia, media, social media, government services etc etc…they’ve inorganically shifted our demography and our social construct…and they did it all as those traditional nutless Conservatives you seem to admire sat on their hands and looked the other way as it happened.
Lib-Tarians hate the idea of new-age Conservatives unwinding the “progress” made by Lefties using the very same methods and institutions the Left did. Does anyone here remember ANY Lib-Tarian showing their disdain for the Left as they infiltrated everything and used government institutions to usher in the New America they sought?

 

[NetJedi]

The not so odd thing is…Lib-Tarians always seem to fail to notice that progressive leftists have infiltrated our institutions…academia, media, social media, government services etc etc…they’ve inorganically shifted our demography and our social construct…and they did it all as those traditional nutless

On what evidence have you drawn these conclusions? Most the libertarians I know agree that these "institutions" need to be deconstructed and redesigned or done away with all together, don't know any that have failed to notice the institutional take over by the left.

Maybe within LP but the LP is a mess and doesn't come anywhere close to representing the mainstream of libertarian thought.

I think you've been listening to too many left wingers claiming to be libertarians (I'm looking at YOU Chase Oliver).

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Well many would do well to learn what it means first.

Carrying water for government's demand for paperz pleez from parents before a web site can be accessed from the home ain't it.

It's the role of the parent to shield and protect their children. Not the government's.

What you're basically saying is ''I'm not competent to run my household or my family, so I need the government to come in and put me on a list and to set the terms of how things are done under my roof.''

But whatever.

People will always get what they ask for. Nice and hard, too...

I don't have the first clue what you're going on about and I suspect you don't either.

Sorry but you're sorta all over the map

 

[Edgetho]

Based on my experiences here it seems like self proclaimed Libertarians are just re-packaged socially left as hell progressives who are probably voting Democrat in secret…kind of…sometimes.
Anytime I hear “I mind my own business” or “live and let live” it’s generally a Libertarian of sorts saying it, it’s usually directed at a Conservative and seemingly used to thwart conservative efforts to preserve and protect American values, family values, Christian values, western culture and or the moral order that built and pillared this once great nation.
Lets be honest…these days, doesn’t “live and let live” and “I mind my own business” really just mean ‘I’m happy with the Leftist movement in America right now so leave it alone you meddling Conservative’?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/30/libertarian-party-chase-oliver-nominee-policies/

A Libertarian is just a leftist still in the closet

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A Libertarian is just a leftist still in the closet

Explains a few on this forum. We know

 

[Road Runner]

A Libertarian is just a leftist still in the closet

The problem is that I've been there myself and didn't use to see it that way until I realized that the democrats aren't leaving us in peace so why should we leave them in peace?

 

[NetJedi]

I don't have the first clue what you're going on about and I suspect you don't either.

Sorry but you're sorta all over the map

I don't mean to speak for Natural Citizen but I believe he's saying it's your responsibility as a parent to protect your own children not governments.

If you expect the government to do your parenting for you, you're irresponsible; If you think government is even capable of doing a good job of it you're an irresponsible fool.

 

[Road Runner]

Explains a few on this forum. We know

I love the democrats who are clearly democrats but try to misdirect us by saying that they're not. It never works though.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I don't mean to speak for Natural Citizen but I believe he's saying it's your responsibility as a parent to protect your own children not governments.

If you expect the government to do your parenting for you, you're irresponsible; If you think government is even capable of doing a good job of it you're an irresponsible fool.

I don't care. We will raise our children without you or anyone's help. Input is not needed

Now why don't you go fck yourself , fckn noob sock

 

[BrokeLoser]

On what evidence have you drawn these conclusions? Most the libertarians I know agree that these "institutions" need to be deconstructed and redesigned or done away with all together, don't know any that have failed to notice the institutional take over by the left.

Maybe within LP but the LP is a mess and doesn't come anywhere close to representing the mainstream of libertarian thought.

I think you've been listening to too many left wingers claiming to be libertarians (I'm looking at YOU Chase Oliver).

Are you saying you’ve been appointed arbiter to define what the Libertarian Party stands for or should we go to their website to view their platform and ideals?
Are you saying they aren’t what they say they are?
Further, dblack proclaims to be a staunch Lib-Tarian and he thought Chase Oliver was to the Lib-Lite Party what Regan was to Republicans in 1984. What gives?

 

[Road Runner]

I don't mean to speak for Natural Citizen but I believe he's saying it's your responsibility as a parent to protect your own children not governments.

So then why are public schools getting involved?

 

[Natural Citizen]

I don't mean to speak for Natural Citizen but I believe he's saying it's your responsibility as a parent to protect your own children not governments.

You dont have to.

I was very clear in what I said.

The problem that some readers seem to have with what I said is that the truth just plain stings.

Ultimately there simply isn't a nickel's worth of meaningful difference between the so-called modern ''liberal'' and the so-called modern ''conservative.

They're just two wings of the same big government machine.

It's a fundamental truth that many simply lack the courage to acknowledge.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I don't mean to speak for Natural Citizen but I believe he's saying it's your responsibility as a parent to protect your own children not governments.

If you expect the government to do your parenting for you, you're irresponsible; If you think government is even capable of doing a good job of it you're an irresponsible fool.

Again…another case of the “live and let live’ers” pretending shit isn’t what it is…Sadly, our children will be in the hands of government for 6-10 hours a day K-12 and often for another 4-6 years….Governments only job is to teach academics…why can’t you see the simplicity in that?

Natural Citizen

 

[NetJedi]

Are you saying you’ve been appointed arbiter to define what the Libertarian Party stands for or should we go to their website to view their platform and ideals?

Nope, it's my informed opinion, I've been a member of the LP for over 20 years, attended several conventions and have regularly attended local LP, state and national meetings, I like and respect the national chair Angela McCardle but the party is a mess and doesn't know what it stands for even after the Mises Caucus "take over", even Dave Smith has pretty much abandoned it.

Are you saying they aren’t what they say they are?
Further, dblack proclaims to be a staunch Lib-Tarian and he thought Chase Oliver was to the Lib-Lite Party what Regan was to Republicans in 1984. What gives?

IMHO Chase Oliver is a lefty pretending to be a libertarian. The best thing the LP did this cycle was landing Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK Jr. to speak at the convention and that was ALL Angela's doing.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Again…another case of the “live and let live’ers” pretending shit isn’t what it is…Sadly, our children will be in the hands of government for 6-10 hours a day K-12 and often for another 4-6 years…

Natural Citizen

No, huh uh. Speak for yourself.

There is no ''our children.''

Your children may be or may have been in the hands of government for 6-10 hours a day K-12.

But that is a choice on your part to submit your children into the hands of government for 6-10 hours a day K-12.

 

[NetJedi]

Again…another case of the “live and let live’ers” pretending shit isn’t what it is…Sadly, our children will be in the hands of government for 6-10 hours a day K-12 and often for another 4-6 years….Governments only job is to teach academics…why can’t you see the simplicity in that?

Natural Citizen

Umm.. yeah, let me state the obvious that you appear to be missing; GET RID OF GOVERNMENT RUN SCHOOLS and put the decisions regarding children's education BACK INTO THE HANDS OF PARENTS.

If you don't do it, you'll have to live with Government Run Schools corrupting the minds of your children.

Any questions?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Umm.. yeah, let me state the obvious that you appear to be missing; GET RID OF GOVERNMENT RUN SCHOOLS and put the decisions regarding children's education BACK INTO THE HANDS OF PARENTS.

If you don't do it, you'll have to live with Government Run Schools corrupting the minds of your children.

Any questions?

HOLY SHIT!!!
You’re a visionary …why didn’t anyone else think of that.
NOW….Let’s get back to reality…what do we do in real world practice?

 

[Road Runner]

HOLY SHIT!!!
You’re a visionary …why didn’t anyone else think of that.
NOW….Let’s get back to reality…what do we do in real world practice?

Just step back and leave it to Trump. We did our part on November 5th.

 

[NetJedi]

HOLY SHIT!!!
You’re a visionary …why didn’t anyone else think of that.
NOW….Let’s get back to reality…what do we do in real world practice?

I just told you, let parents decide how to educate their own children and quit relying on government to make the decisions. Are you so completely reliant on government making your choices for you that you can't understand that concept?