When Libertarians or the like say “I mind my own business”/ “live and let live” what do they really mean? Is there really a Libertarian Party anymore?

[Contumacious]

Based on my experiences here it seems like self proclaimed Libertarians are just re-packaged socially left as hell progressives who are probably voting Democrat in secret…kind of…sometimes.
Anytime I hear “I mind my own business” or “live and let live” it’s generally a Libertarian of sorts saying it, it’s usually directed at a Conservative and seemingly used to thwart conservative efforts to preserve and protect American values, family values, Christian values, western culture and or the moral order that built and pillared this once great nation.
Lets be honest…these days, doesn’t “live and let live” and “I mind my own business” really just mean ‘I’m happy with the Leftist movement in America right now so leave it alone you meddling Conservative’?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/30/libertarian-party-chase-oliver-nominee-policies/

Your allegation is baseless

I am a Libertarian who concluded

Anyone who wants all of Mexico’s people residing within our borders calls me a FASCIST…I’m for taking an ANY MEANS NECESSARY approach to eradicating ALL illegals from America, even old half dead crippled Abuelas…I’d welcome our entire military to occupy ALL of our streets and bang on every door all day every day demanding PAPERS if it meant total eradication….to you, those who don’t want to solve our biggest problem…I’m definitely a fascist and I wear the label as a badge of honor.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The U.S. Constitution: Preamble

The preamble sets the stage for the Constitution. It is an introduction to the highest law of the land; it is not the law. It communicates the intentions of the framers and purpose of the document.

www.uscourts.gov

 

[BrokeLoser]

Settle down. I didn't call you a fascist, though I'm pretty sure you've called yourself one in the past. In any case, I was just wondering if you were also a fascist because you were in agreement with Leroy.

Do you agree that anything you don't approve of should be illegal?

Do you agree that anything you don't approve of should be illegal?

Nope…BUT, anyone taking one dollar from taxpayers should be subject to some level of ‘fascism’ just like those who are incarcerated.

 

[dblack]

Nope…BUT, anyone taking one dollar from taxpayers should be subject to some level of ‘fascism’ just like those who are incarcerated.

Wow. That'd be pretty much everybody. So what would constitute "some level of fascism"? What do you have in mind?

 

[Unkotare]

Anyone who wants all of Mexico’s people residing within our borders calls me a FASCIST…I’m for taking an ANY MEANS NECESSARY approach to eradicating ALL illegals from America, even old half dead crippled Abuelas…I’d welcome our entire military to occupy ALL of our streets and bang on every door all day every day demanding PAPERS if it meant total eradication….to you, those who don’t want to solve our biggest problem…I’m definitely a fascist and I wear the label as a badge of honor.

You're a clown and of course a LOSER. An all-talk idiot.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Wow. That'd be pretty much everybody. So what would constitute "some level of fascism"? What do you have in mind?

Mandatory drug tests for starters

 

[dblack]

Mandatory drug tests for starters

Ok. So how do you figure out who's getting taxpayer money? Do the checks that Uncle Donny sent out during covid count? Are you on drugs? Could you pass a test?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Ok. So how do you figure out who's getting taxpayer money? Do the checks that Uncle Donny sent out during covid count? Are you on drugs? Could you pass a test?

Don’t do what libs do and try to fuzz-up the issue…we all known who’s on the taxpayer tit.

 

[dblack]

Don’t do what libs do and try to fuzz-up the issue…we all known who’s on the taxpayer tit.

We do? How?

 

[BrokeLoser]

We do? How?

We don’t know who’s on welfare?

 

[Unkotare]

Mandatory drug tests for starters

Like testing YOU for excessive estrogen?

 

[dblack]

We don’t know who’s on welfare?

We don't know who among them have paid for that service ten times over with their taxes. Are you suggesting that the government keep an accounting of the value of all the services you get, and the total of all the taxes that you've paid, and if you received more than you paid in, you have to get drug tested?

 

[BrokeLoser]

We don't know who among them have paid for that service ten times over with their taxes. Are you suggesting that the government keep an accounting of the value of all the services you get, and the total of all the taxes that you've paid, and if you received more than you paid in, you have to get drug tested?

hahaha…You’re trying hard, splitting hairs bud, doing what libs do. Creating complexity with the hopes of rendering X problem too complicated to fix.

 

[Unkotare]

...Creating complexity with the hopes of rendering X problem too complicated to fix.

Everything is too complicated for YOU, idiot.

 

[dblack]

hahaha…You’re trying hard, splitting hairs bud, doing what libs do. Creating complexity with the hopes of rendering X problem too complicated to fix.

Oh, sorry. I wasn't trying to confuse you. Just wondering what you mean by "anyone taking one dollar from taxpayers". Does Social Security count? Medicare? Unemployment compensation? Does it matter how much a person has paid in taxes?

 

[ThisIsMe]

They may be against it personally, but as far as public policy goes they're effectively in favor of it.

I would say a libertarian wouldn't care either way. What may appear to be "in favor of" could just be them not wanting to get in the way of other people's lives.

 

[Unkotare]

Oh, sorry. I wasn't trying to confuse you. Just wondering what you mean by "anyone taking one dollar from taxpayers". Does Social Security count? Medicare? Unemployment compensation? Does it matter how much a person has paid in taxes?

Don't bother; he's an idiot.

 

[DGS49]

My impression of a Libertarian - confirmed by my conversations with people who claim to be Libertarian - is they want Government to do everything it is required to do under the founding documents (U.S. and State Constitutions), and NOTHING MORE.

For example, keep our borders secure and devise immigration policies that benefit CITIZENS and others living legally within our borders, as contrasted with benefitting those who want to come here.

They think that Congress should get out of every "business" that is not specifically called out in Article I. Exhibit A being healthcare for anyone other than US Military and Veterans, and Exhibit B being "Education."

Seems a rather simple and defensible philosophy to me. (I am a radical Right-Wing, MAGA Republican).

 

[eagle1462010]

Oh, sorry. I wasn't trying to confuse you. Just wondering what you mean by "anyone taking one dollar from taxpayers". Does Social Security count? Medicare? Unemployment compensation? Does it matter how much a person has paid in taxes?

Yes. Taxation in excess is theft

 

[NetJedi]

My impression of a Libertarian - confirmed by my conversations with people who claim to be Libertarian - is they want Government to do everything it is required to do under the founding documents (U.S. and State Constitutions), and NOTHING MORE.

The commonality among libertarians is first principles not particular views on public policy or the interpretation of any specific documentation.

First principles

• The nonaggression principle (sometimes referred to as the nonaggression axiom): it is immoral to initiate force (including coercion) against another individual
• Respect for property rights: starting with the exclusive ownership of one's own mind and body and the product derived from them.

Beyond that the views of libertarians on the public policy questions of the day are as varied as any other school of philosophy depending on how the person interprets how those principles should be appropriately applied to the question. Contrary to popular perception we're not all anarchists nor are we all pot head hippies.

The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of Americans live their day to day lives in line with libertarian principles, they just don't realize it.

 

[westwall]

Based on my experiences here it seems like self proclaimed Libertarians are just re-packaged socially left as hell progressives who are probably voting Democrat in secret…kind of…sometimes.
Anytime I hear “I mind my own business” or “live and let live” it’s generally a Libertarian of sorts saying it, it’s usually directed at a Conservative and seemingly used to thwart conservative efforts to preserve and protect American values, family values, Christian values, western culture and or the moral order that built and pillared this once great nation.
Lets be honest…these days, doesn’t “live and let live” and “I mind my own business” really just mean ‘I’m happy with the Leftist movement in America right now so leave it alone you meddling Conservative’?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/30/libertarian-party-chase-oliver-nominee-policies/

It showed the underlying dishonesty of the libertarians when they chose chase Oliver as their candidate for president. An antifa loving marxist.