When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[buttercup]

Whatever. I'm not down with the **** police. Government has no business regulating procreation. MYOB.

Of course government has no business regulating procreation. Abortion isn't procreation.

Once there's a baby in the womb, you have already procreated.

If you support abortion, at least be honest about what you support - killing an innocent human being.

 

[dblack]

Of course government has no business regulating procreation. Abortion isn't procreation.

Once there's a baby in the womb, you have already procreated.

If you support abortion, at least be honest about what you support - killing a human being.

Yes. One a woman is pregnant, the state owns get ass.

 

[Chuz Life]

Since I share the reasonable view of most Americans regarding reproductive freedom. I have no need to ""project" anything.

And you aren't "wallowing in any extreme notions" of your own as you attack others who are simply trying to enlighten you on the fact that an abortion (which you support and defend) is the denial of and killing of a child.

Got it.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

And you aren't "wallowing in any extreme notions" of your own as you attack others who are simply trying to enlighten you on the fact that an abortion (which you support and defend) is the denial of and killing of a child.

The status of the child at the time of the “killing” is “unborn”.

"It is NOT constitutionally established that an unborn fetus is a person.

 

[toobfreak]

They might. And if people wouldn't see "reason", a dictator would force it on them anyway. Like you want to do.

They "might?" Can you give me one example where a dictator "reasoned" with his subjects? You do understand the meaning of what it is to be a subject, I assume?

And where is this predicting what other people "want" to do, especially as a justification for your own actions? What makes this worse, is that people make these accusations against Trump with no real basis for saying them, and as history is showing us, just as the Biden Administration (whoever the **** that was) repeatedly showed, the Left forever warns us of stuff but only after they have actually been already doing it themselves for years but always pointing their finger 180° in the wrong direction.

 

[Midnight FM]

Of course government has no business regulating procreation. Abortion isn't procreation.

Once there's a baby in the womb, you have already procreated.

Not a baby:

If you support abortion, at least be honest about what you support - killing an innocent human being.

A zygote isn't a human being.

No brain, no consciousness, no human being.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

the fact that I can be charged for the death of or murder of the fetus, proves that by law, a fetus is human, therefore, has human rights

Did you infringe upon the right of an expectant mother to give birth to the new human being when you murdered her fetus?

 

[j-mac]

No you didn't. You simply ranted.

For some, yes, the baby can live if she could support it.

How about if the baby is say 13 months and the mother looses her job and can’t support it, should she be able to kill it?

I mean, the child has no sense of self, or memory, right? Why not, it’s a money thing, right?

 

[j-mac]

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Did you infringe upon the right of an expectant mother to give birth to the new human being when you murdered her fetus?

The law says yes.

 

[j-mac]

View attachment 1142153Why does it matter to Republican State governments that exist by the consent of the governed? Why should women who become pregnant give their consent to be governed by white male mostly Christian politicians who want to impose their morality about the beginning of personhood according to their religion on all women.

Does the mother have the right to vote? What you’re arguing is that you can ignore law because you disagree with a politicians stance on the law. I thought no one was above the law? I guess that’s only when you agree with the prosecution…

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The law says yes.

Ok, What does the Constitutions of Ohio Kansas Wisconsin New York California and Missouri say if the same expectant mother chooses to terminate her own pregnancy. Is she to be charged with murder?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Does the mother have the right to vote?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

What you’re arguing is that you can ignore law because you disagree with a politicians stance on the law.

I have never argued that anyone should ignore any abortion ban law. I am arguing that true liberty loving Americans should vote Democrats so that those bans should be repealed and basically restore Roe V Wade nationally and get the Church of Rome off the U.S. Supreme Court.

 

[pknopp]

How about if the baby is say 13 months and the mother looses her job and can’t support it, should she be able to kill it?

Bugger off.

I mean, the child has no sense of self, or memory, right? Why not, it’s a money thing, right?

You don't care about the baby. Only the fetus.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Empty Pleadings For Sympathy "

* Do Not Get Down Range *

I'm not so sure. A fetus may not be a citizen, but a fetus is a human.

This moniker is not concerned with the arrogance of apex predator damned dirty apes , as it anthropocentric psychotics pathetically blubber for exception from a universal scale of exploitation .

. Zone1 - Anthropocentic Psychosis : How Compelling And To Which Ends Are Its Impacts Within Hue Mammon Society ? .

* Fails To Understand Inalienable Rites Is Hubris *

Of course a fetus has a life. It is living. The very act of abortion is to /REMOVE/ that rite of life.

Anything that can be alienated is not inalienable , and a rite exists because there is an entity capable of issuing a retort for a violation of some legal construct , such is why theists fabricate a fictional macabre day of final judgement .

According to the enumerated rite to equal protection within 14th amendment of us constitution , a live birth is a non incidental requirement to become a citizen and consequently a live birth is a requirement for a legitimate state interest , as a citizen and its constitutional protections are instantiated through a live birth - such is the basis of roe v wade - Demand Any Nomination For Us Supreme Court Justice Explain Blackmun ' Logically Of Course ' Statement From Roe V Wade .

A fetus does not have a rite to life any more than a female is analogous with the term person and qualifies as a citizen of use republic , where per means countable by census and son means male , else see us 19th amendment .

* A Fetus Without Constitutional Protections Is Private Property Of The Mother *

So a fetus is the mother's SLAVE? Didn't think that one through, didya?

Prior to entering into a social civil agreement , according to a constitution , all are subject to moral relativism within nature , and to improve opportunity for survival and quality of life individuals exchange natural freedoms for protected rites , where violations are " protected " through issuance of retort .

 

[whutTHEYsay]

How about if the baby is say 13 months and the mother looses her job and can’t support it, should she be able to kill it?

a thirteen month old child is a citizen as of birth and is protected as a new individual person and as a separate person lawfully separated from his or her birth mother.

The born child is protected under the 14th Amendment as a person

 

[buckeye]

So it is dead before that?

It didn't exist before that, kiwi.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Does Not Care About Your Self Infatuation "

* Freak Farmer Fanatics Living In Perfect Delusion Ignore With Cause Abortion *

Of course government has no business regulating procreation. Abortion isn't procreation.
Once there's a baby in the womb, you have already procreated.
If you support abortion, at least be honest about what you support - killing an innocent human being.

A legitimate state interest of us republic is in equal protection of is individual citizens , where a citizen and its constitutional protections are instantiated through a live birth requirement .

According to roe v wade , states could regulate abortion is second trimester so that the procedures are safe , and based on a fetus ability to survive an imminent live birth at natural viability , which was referred to as a potential life , states could proscribe abortion in third trimester .

 

[pknopp]

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View attachment 1142228a thirteen month old child is a citizen as of birth and is protected as a new individual person and as a separate person lawfully separated from his or her birth mother.

The born child is protected under the 14th Amendment as a person



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Its a stupid argument made by those who have no desire to address the realities of abortion.

They are pro-politics.

 

[pknopp]

" Does Not Care About Your Self Infatuation "

* Freak Farmer Fanatics Living In Perfect Delusion Ignore With Cause Abortion *

A legitimate state interest of us republic is in equal protection of is individual citizens , where a citizen and its constitutional protections are instantiated through a live birth requirement .

According to roe v wade , states could regulate abortion is second trimester so that the procedures are safe , and based on a fetus ability to survive an imminent live birth at natural viability , which was referred to as a potential life , states could proscribe abortion in third trimester .

At the time of RvW that was the realities of the fetus being able to survive. Since 1973 technology has moved forward as it will so Roberts wanted to make the line somewhere around 19 weeks. Those further to the right likely could have got him to agree to even 17 weeks.

We could have had a nationwide law that banned abortions after somewhere around 17 weeks. But what we got in reality was an expansion of abortion access.

We could have then addressed the reasons many seek an abortion and really curtailed abortions.