When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[Chuz Life]

So in other words, someone initiated a process which lead to me coming into existence.

But that doesn't mean that I existed at the moment of conception.

Let's examine some biological facts.

YOU are a human organism.

Human organisms do not (in their life cycle) reproduce by having sex - achieving conception - which results in one human organism that sometime later morphs into another. (Human beings do not undergo metamorphosis in their life cycle - like frogs and butterflies do in theirs.)

Biologically, we are the same human being/ organism at adulthood that we were at the moment of our conception.

******* ask AI or Google it. Fact check me!

Human beings are "placental mammals." Placental mammals, by definition "carry their YOUNG/ Offspring" in their wombs as their "YOUNG" further develops.

I can ******* go on.

Is it necessary for me to do so?

 

[toobfreak]

Weird, not to stray from the OP but, I don't tie my views on abortion or the idea of when life begins to "conservatism." I think of it as science and that SHOULD apply to conservatives and, leftards equally.

It IS science, and it SHOULD apply equally, but we both know it does not.

Just look at the views and opinions of all the progressives here.

Find me a single progressive on this forum that can even tell me what a woman is much less admit that a child conceived of two human parents is also human from the time of conception.

 

[Midnight FM]

My last post to you:

No. No one "grows" into a human life--- you are /conceived/ biologically as a human, then you merely develop into a LARGER and increasingly more independent human life.

No, "you" don't exist at conception, is what I'm saying.

ALL mammals gestate in a womb first for a period of time proportional to their complexity until such time until they can live on their own outside the mother's body. That does not make them any less of what they are.

Actually it does. If "you" are anything, then "you" are your consciousness.

A zygote doesn't possess a brain, and therefore possesses no consciousness. So yes, that does make it something "less", if you will.

Case in point: there was recently a child born prematurely at only 20 or 21 weeks, a time when many babies are aborted. The child lived and is doing well. Last I checked, he is a human being, too.

Sayonara

This definitely isn't a human being.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It doesn't matter what a person "says", what matters is the science.


Science doesn't agree with her. No brain, no consciousness, no human life to speak of.

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Tell "science" to a bloody little blob that was, only minutes earlier, a human being.

At 10 weeks gestation. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^


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[Chuz Life]

My last post to you:

No. No one "grows" into a human life--- you are /conceived/ biologically as a human, then you merely develop into a LARGER and increasingly more independent human life.

ALL mammals gestate in a womb first for a period of time proportional to their complexity until such time until they can live on their own outside the mother's body. That does not make them any less of what they are.

Case in point: there was recently a child born prematurely at only 20 or 21 weeks, a time when many babies are aborted. The child lived and is doing well. Last I checked, he is a human being, too.

Sayonara

Great minds tend to think alike.

 

[Midnight FM]

It IS science, and it SHOULD apply equally, but we both know it does not.

Just look at the views and opinions of all the progressives here.

Find me a single progressive on this forum that can even tell me what a woman is

Biologically, a female has XX chromosomes, and a male has XY chromosomes. Not that complicated.

much less admit that a child conceived of two human parents is also human from the time of conception.

A "child" doesn't exist from the moment of conception. Merely a zygote with no brain and no consciousness.

 

[Midnight FM]

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Tell "science" to a bloody little blob that was, only minutes earlier, a human being.

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At 10 weeks gestation. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^


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And zygotes don't exist at 10 weeks gestation, now do they?

 

[toobfreak]

Human beings are "placental mammals." Placental mammals, by definition "carry their YOUNG/ Offspring" in their wombs as their "YOUNG" further develops.

Just look at the Kangaroo: they conceive an offspring which develops inside the womb, then at some point, climbs out and crawls into the mother's pouch to further develop.

I dare anyone here to tell me that this is not a kangaroo at each stage of development.

 

[Chuz Life]

It IS science, and it SHOULD apply equally, but we both know it does not.

Just look at the views and opinions of all the progressives here.

Find me a single progressive on this forum that can even tell me what a woman is much less admit that a child conceived of two human parents is also human from the time of conception.

You got me.

I have nothing to refute any of that.

 

[Midnight FM]

Let's examine some biological facts.

YOU are a human organism.

Human organisms do not (in their life cycle) reproduce by having sex - achieving conception - which results in one human organism that sometime later morphs into another. (Human beings do not undergo metamorphosis in their life cycle - like frogs and butterflies do in theirs.)

Biologically, we are the same human being/ organism at adulthood that we were at the moment of our conception.

******* ask AI or Google it. Fact check me!

Human beings are "placental mammals." Placental mammals, by definition "carry their YOUNG/ Offspring" in their wombs as their "YOUNG" further develops.

I can ******* go on.

Is it necessary for me to do so?

The argument I am making is that you are your consciousness. Your consciousness inhabits a human organism, and it is necessary to have a brain in order to have consciousness.

 

[toobfreak]

At 10 weeks gestation. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

And that is a complete human being with central nervous system, brain activity, feeling, rudimentary awareness, a circulatory system, digestive system--- it is all there.

 

[Midnight FM]

Just look at the Kangaroo: they conceive an offspring which develops inside the womb, then at some point, climbs out and crawls into the mother's pouch to further develop.

I dare anyone here to tell me that this is not a kangaroo at each stage of development.

Prior to developing a brain, it isn't.

And that is a complete human being with central nervous system, brain activity, feeling, rudimentary awareness, a circulatory system, digestive system--- it is all there.

And a zygote has none of that.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It IS science, and it SHOULD apply equally, but we both know it does not.

Just look at the views and opinions of all the progressives here.

Find me a single progressive on this forum that can even tell me what a woman is much less admit that a child conceived of two human parents is also human from the time of conception.

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And we're wasting time talking about consciousness in a zygote with people who can't understand something as simple as XX and XY.


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[Midnight FM]

And we're wasting time talking about consciousness in a zygote with people who can't understand something as simple as XX and XY.

Who can't understand that? I stated it pretty simply.

Biologically, a male has XY chromosomes and a female has XX chromosomes. However, some people may develop a brain structure which does not coincide with their biological sex. Which may be a reason why some people identify with the opposite gender.

 

[sparky]

Interesting that we've such clear definitions of death, but not life....~S~

 

[Chuz Life]

Biologically, a female has XX chromosomes, and a male has XY chromosomes. Not that complicated.


A "child" doesn't exist from the moment of conception. Merely a zygote with no brain and no consciousness.

Now you are pissing me off because I wanted to save some of the following points for another thread - rather than waste them on an inconsiderate fucktard like you.

This from Planned Parenthood's Glossary of terms: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/glossary#id_Z
Zygote:
"ZygoteThe single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm (fertilization)."

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This- from @Grok

https://x.com/i/grok/share/fWCo33STmu79wb3yaKNlsUCgH

I have more but not going to waste it on you. If you don't offer a considerate response to these facts, I'm placing you on ignore to prevent myself from letting you waste any more of my time.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Interesting that we've such clear definitions of death, but not life....~S~

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Because of politics.

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Now you are pissing me off because I wanted to save some of the following points for another thread - rather than waste them on an inconsiderate fucktard like you.

This from Planned Parenthood's Glossary of terms: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/glossary#id_Z


This- from @Grok

View attachment 1141702Zygote:
"ZygoteThe single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm (fertilization)."

https://x.com/i/grok/share/fWCo33STmu79wb3yaKNlsUCgH

I have more but not going to waste it on you. If you don't offer a considerate response to these facts, I'm placing you on ignore to prevent myself from letting you waste any more of my time.

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That's what the STFU Cage® is for. I apply it liberally.


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[toobfreak]

And we're wasting time talking about consciousness in a zygote

Well, consciousness comes in degrees. A botanist can rightly argue that a plant has consciousness. Tests have proven that plants feel pain, respond to their environment therefore must be aware of it, they have even found that in the woods, all of the trees (and I assume other plants) there all co-mingle their root systems together and with the help of a symbiotic relationship with fungus in the soil, "talk" to each other. They did a study and found that when they attacked one tree or plant, that it sent out some sort of "distress call" to the other plants around and they reacted with a response that better prepared them for the same attack.

with people who can't understand something as simple as XX and XY.

Well, in order to relate to or discuss consciousness, you need to do it with someone who also /has/ consciousness themself.

 

[Midnight FM]

Now you are pissing me off because I wanted to save some of the following points for another thread - rather than waste them on an inconsiderate fucktard like you.

This from Planned Parenthood's Glossary of terms: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/glossary#id_Z
Zygote:
"ZygoteThe single-celled organism that results from the joining of the egg and sperm (fertilization)."

---

This- from @Grok

View attachment 1141702

https://x.com/i/grok/share/fWCo33STmu79wb3yaKNlsUCgH

I have more but not going to waste it on you. If you don't offer a considerate response to these facts, I'm placing you on ignore to prevent myself from letting you waste any more of my time.

What you are doing is attempting to define "the self" as DNA.

Defining the self isn't a subject of biology, it's a subject of philosophy.

To my understanding, a piece of DNA is a blueprint for development. It isn't "you", just as a blueprint which an architect uses to develop a skyscraper isn't a "skyscraper". And a pile of construction materials isn't "a skyscraper" the second that its development starts.

If you're going to argue essentially that "you are your DNA", then you'd have to argue absurdities such as that "you" continue to exist after your body has died, since it still contains your DNA.

But, the way I see it, when "you die", your consciousness ends, and "you" come into existence when your consciousness begins.