When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[Chuz Life]

One: if brain dead, they aren’t a “life” anymore at all.

Two: by requiring a “functioning” brain, you are excluding all our liberals.

Such a worrisome thing to see people make comments about things they know so little about. (Not you - others.)

My own wife was on life support - in 2008. I was told that she had NO higher level brain function and was only being kept alive by machines.

Long story short, she's sitting right here beside me, finishing her late supper now.

Edit to add. Prognosis Matters!

 

[Orangecat]

10 states voted on pro-abortion referendums. 7 of them passed.​

Ghoulish times, indeed.

 

[Chuz Life]

Ghoulish times, indeed.

Ignorance is the struggle, and the struggle is real.

 

[Chuz Life]

Moment of conception. A little thing called Deoxyribonucleic acid.
The moment you, as a sperm cell entered your mothers egg - this substance began creating you. All derived from your unique lineage of your ancestors.

Cool post, and I agree with the basic premise, but I beg to differ on whether any of us were ever "sperm cells."

I feel tempted to explain why, but hopefully, it isn't necessary for me to do that.

 

[Chuz Life]

The point is, nobody knows when human life starts. The logical response to this reality is, Don't kill anything that might be a human life.

Here's an analogy that I like. Imagine a forest that is used to grain artillery weapons. Monday morning rolls around and a day of practice is about to start. The CO is informed that a large group of "hippies" camped out in the forest the preceding weekend. He asks the First Sergeant if all the Yoots are out of there. The First Sergeant responds, "Probably." THis is not satisfactory to the CO. Unless he knows that nobody remains in the forest, he will not start shooting. The First Sergeant sends a platoon out to see if they see any hippies in the woods. They come back an hour later. The First Sergeant tells the CO, "We are pretty sure there is no one out there." Still, the CO will not commence firing.

In fact, he will not start the operation until he is absolutely certain that no living person is in those woods. No matter what it takes.

You don't kill a living thing unless you are absolutely certain that it is not a person. Which is not possible with respect to a developing human, regardless of the stage.

Great post, but I have to say we all know when a human being's life begins, if we are completely honest with ourselves.

(Sarcasm here, to make this point to yourself and others - so please take this as anything more than that)

"We you conceived?"

I'm betting that you were.

 

[Chuz Life]

10 states voted on pro-abortion referendums. 7 of them passed.​

Most Americans do not want politicians and bureaucrats dictating to everyone in such personal, private matters.

I wonder if most Americans claim they are defenders of basic human rights and equal justice, children's rights, etc.

 

[Grumblenuts]

we know what causes conception.

Lack of contraception.

Unconscionable: US plan to destroy $9.7 million of contraceptives

MSF condemns the decision to destroy these critical medical supplies, which will have devastating consequences for the communities where we work.

www.doctorswithoutborders.org

 

[elektra]

It dont matter what or when or whatever an embroy is. We know what happens if let alone, it is a ******* human being.

 

[Chuz Life]

Great post, but I have to say we all know when a human being's life begins, if we are completely honest with ourselves.

(Sarcasm here, to make this point to yourself and others - so please take this as anything more than that)

"We you conceived?"

I'm betting that you were.

*WERE you conceived?

Edit timer got me.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The act of birth is merely that transition point between where a human can live outside the mother's body and cannot, the more complex the life, the longer the gestation period.

Meanwhile,

Periodical cicadas are insects that spend most of their lives underground as nymphs, feeding off the sap of tree roots. They emerge to transform into adults and mate. Some periodical cicadas emerge every 13 years and others emerge every 17 years. The males "sing" by vibrating a membrane on the sides of their bodies.

After mating, the female makes slits in tree branches and lays eggs there. The eggs hatch six to seven weeks later, the nymphs fall to the ground and go into the soil, and the cycle begins again. The adult periodical cicadas only live three to four weeks.

 

[BrokeLoser]

That film means nothing. The fetus has never breathed air, and would have no reason to try to scream. They move their arms and legs, and yes, their facial expressions change, but it is much too early for them to have learned to express themselves through facial movement. The movement are more of a reflex or practice in using their muscles. It is unrelated to emotion. has nothing to do with pain or grief.
The brain regions responsible for processing and expressing emotions — like the limbic system — are still developing in utero.

Why do suppose tree-hugging libs think an egg is an Eagle?

 

[Midnight FM]

Why do suppose tree-hugging libs think an egg is an Eagle?
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Eagles eggs are protected because they're an endangered species, not because people believe an egg is an eagle from the moment of conception. Do you suppose that pigeon eggs are protected under the law?

 

[MayorQuimby]

God, I cannot believe that I settled this debate more than 15 years ago, and hackers who have been watching me online had gone to their state legislators who then banned abortion, and these very same hackers also fantasized furiously about me ever since then, and here all you fools are still arguing about this.

Here, let me help you out:

The unborn is an organism that is 1. alive; and 2. has human DNA. An organism that satisfies both of these conditions is a human life. Murder is the deliberate killing of a human life. Abortion is the the deliberate killing of the unborn, which is a human life, as just proven earlier. Therefore, abortion is murder.


This, all you fools, besotted or not, is a logical proof.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Eagles eggs are protected because they're an endangered species, not because people believe an egg is an eagle from the moment of conception. Do you suppose that pigeon eggs are protected under the law?

Why do you think it's OK to murder a human?

 

[Midnight FM]

Why do you think it's OK to murder a human?

You haven't substantiated how something with no brain or consciousness is a human life. Skin cells are alive and have human DNA, that's already been stated.

 

[Chuz Life]

Eagles eggs are protected because they're an endangered species, not because people believe an egg is an eagle from the moment of conception. Do you suppose that pigeon eggs are protected under the law?

Are Eagle's EGGS "members of the Eagle SPECIES?"

 

[MayorQuimby]

You haven't substantiated how something with no brain or consciousness is a human life.

You haven't substantiated why an entity needs to have brain/consciousness in order to qualify as human life.

Silly little lefty eunuchs who think they can dictate the terms of any debate. Until they run into me.

 

[Midnight FM]

Are Eagle's EGGS "members of the Eagle SPECIES?"

I wouldn't say the egg is from the moment of conception. It's protected because it's considered a potential life, and the law wants to preserve an endangered species.

The point is that there is no law that protects all animal eggs from the moment of conception. The law isn't protecting it because it is "an eagle", they're protecting it because eagles are endangered.

 

[Chuz Life]

You haven't substantiated why an entity needs to have brain/consciousness in order to qualify as human life.

Silly little lefty eunuchs who think they can dictate the terms of any debate. Until they run into me.

I tried to educate them - referred them to case laws and rulings about children with anencephalia.

They are too fucktarded to appreciate the enlightenment.

 

[MayorQuimby]

I wouldn't say the egg is from the moment of conception. It's protected because it's considered a potential life, and the law wants to preserve an endangered species.

The point is that there is no law that protects all animal eggs from the moment of conception. The law isn't protecting it because it is "an eagle", they're protecting it because eagles are endangered.

Why should they protect it? It's the eagles that are endangered, not the eagle eggs, which I think you are implying aren't a member of the eagle species.