CDZ When has bearing arms helped?

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In the U.S., we have the right to own guns, limiting it too much more should require a Constitutional Amendment. I own a gun, I guess most folks do.

Personally,

Mine is a relic in some ways. At the old place my gun enthusiast friends would come over, we'd clean it, we'd shoot their new gun. I don't carry it or take my family places where I feel I need to carry it for their protection. Mostly it sits like a liability to be guarded from misuse by the kids or hidden so whoever breaks in doesn't steal it.

In fairness, my Stihl chainsaw and some of my shop tools are somewhat of a liability also. I try not to tease the kids with their presence. Misuse has serious consequences.

Difference is, my tools are going to be useful again likely this month or this week even if I veg out tonight. My gun, MAYBE if someone breaks in. While I'm there. Then again, they'll probably have a gun since we all do and I'm not practiced enough to think I'm a better Doc Holliday.

Politically,

In the 1770's folks owning guns made a difference I think. Best I can tell in the 1860's Southerners owning guns almost saved the disgusting institution of slavery (we'll use Texas as the example of why the Civil War was fought: DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC). Heck, was the NRA founded because Northern city dwellers were such poor shots NRA | About the NRA

I don't recall any instances of gun toting NRA members saving the Bonus Army from MacArthur. I don't recall armed private citizens fighting against the militia which blocked the Little Rock 9 from school. Heck, Big Government and the Band of Brothers were sent to force the militia down.

Any instances of positive gun toting resistance since then? I dunno. Help me out here.
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
 
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In the U.S., we have the right to own guns, limiting it too much more should require a Constitutional Amendment. I own a gun, I guess most folks do.

Personally,

Mine is a relic in some ways. At the old place my gun enthusiast friends would come over, we'd clean it, we'd shoot their new gun. I don't carry it or take my family places where I feel I need to carry it for their protection. Mostly it sits like a liability to be guarded from misuse by the kids or hidden so whoever breaks in doesn't steal it.

In fairness, my Stihl chainsaw and some of my shop tools are somewhat of a liability also. I try not to tease the kids with their presence. Misuse has serious consequences.

Difference is, my tools are going to be useful again likely this month or this week even if I veg out tonight. My gun, MAYBE if someone breaks in. While I'm there. Then again, they'll probably have a gun since we all do and I'm not practiced enough to think I'm a better Doc Holliday.

Politically,

In the 1770's folks owning guns made a difference I think. Best I can tell in the 1860's Southerners owning guns almost saved the disgusting institution of slavery (we'll use Texas as the example of why the Civil War was fought: DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC). Heck, was the NRA founded because Northern city dwellers were such poor shots NRA | About the NRA

I don't recall any instances of gun toting NRA members saving the Bonus Army from MacArthur. I don't recall armed private citizens fighting against the militia which blocked the Little Rock 9 from school. Heck, Big Government and the Band of Brothers were sent to force the militia down.

Any instances of positive gun toting resistance since then? I dunno. Help me out here.


well its estimated by the CDC that guns are used to stop crime any where from 500K - 3 million times a yr

and what about the US constitution has stood longer than any other constitution in world history despite all the attempts to destroy it
 
In the U.S., we have the right to own guns, limiting it too much more should require a Constitutional Amendment. I own a gun, I guess most folks do.

Personally,

Mine is a relic in some ways. At the old place my gun enthusiast friends would come over, we'd clean it, we'd shoot their new gun. I don't carry it or take my family places where I feel I need to carry it for their protection. Mostly it sits like a liability to be guarded from misuse by the kids or hidden so whoever breaks in doesn't steal it.

In fairness, my Stihl chainsaw and some of my shop tools are somewhat of a liability also. I try not to tease the kids with their presence. Misuse has serious consequences.

Difference is, my tools are going to be useful again likely this month or this week even if I veg out tonight. My gun, MAYBE if someone breaks in. While I'm there. Then again, they'll probably have a gun since we all do and I'm not practiced enough to think I'm a better Doc Holliday.

Politically,

In the 1770's folks owning guns made a difference I think. Best I can tell in the 1860's Southerners owning guns almost saved the disgusting institution of slavery (we'll use Texas as the example of why the Civil War was fought: DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC). Heck, was the NRA founded because Northern city dwellers were such poor shots NRA | About the NRA

I don't recall any instances of gun toting NRA members saving the Bonus Army from MacArthur. I don't recall armed private citizens fighting against the militia which blocked the Little Rock 9 from school. Heck, Big Government and the Band of Brothers were sent to force the militia down.

Any instances of positive gun toting resistance since then? I dunno. Help me out here.
Here's one for ya.

Battle of Athens (1946) - Wikipedia
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
the fact we still have a republic is proof the 2nd is needed, and as we see in todays political climate the 2nd is the only reason we have the 1st and are still able to vote
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
You want a war... Remove the second amendment and see how fast that happens.. The only reason to remove that right to protect ones self and family from tyranny is the imposition of tyranny..
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
Sez the forum liar.
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
the fact we still have a republic is proof the 2nd is needed, and as we see in todays political climate the 2nd is the only reason we have the 1st and are still able to vote
This is the only reason our Constitution has remained for 275 years..
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
I have never needed my homeowners insurance policy but I'm damned glad I have it
 
In the U.S., we have the right to own guns, limiting it too much more should require a Constitutional Amendment. I own a gun, I guess most folks do.

Personally,

Mine is a relic in some ways. At the old place my gun enthusiast friends would come over, we'd clean it, we'd shoot their new gun. I don't carry it or take my family places where I feel I need to carry it for their protection. Mostly it sits like a liability to be guarded from misuse by the kids or hidden so whoever breaks in doesn't steal it.

In fairness, my Stihl chainsaw and some of my shop tools are somewhat of a liability also. I try not to tease the kids with their presence. Misuse has serious consequences.

Difference is, my tools are going to be useful again likely this month or this week even if I veg out tonight. My gun, MAYBE if someone breaks in. While I'm there. Then again, they'll probably have a gun since we all do and I'm not practiced enough to think I'm a better Doc Holliday.

Politically,

In the 1770's folks owning guns made a difference I think. Best I can tell in the 1860's Southerners owning guns almost saved the disgusting institution of slavery (we'll use Texas as the example of why the Civil War was fought: DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC). Heck, was the NRA founded because Northern city dwellers were such poor shots NRA | About the NRA

I don't recall any instances of gun toting NRA members saving the Bonus Army from MacArthur. I don't recall armed private citizens fighting against the militia which blocked the Little Rock 9 from school. Heck, Big Government and the Band of Brothers were sent to force the militia down.

Any instances of positive gun toting resistance since then? I dunno. Help me out here.
Seems to me the Taliban have fared pretty well only having small arms and IEDs, against the most powerful military machine in the world....The North Vietnamese certainly held their own....Can only imagine what would have transpired in 1991, if the Chinese civilian populace had access to firearms....If they could shoot back, the citizens of Hong Kong would very likely turn the city into an urban killing zone, if the Chinese Army attacked.

Just keep pushing....All that's missing here in Murica is the proper motivation.

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In the U.S., we have the right to own guns, limiting it too much more should require a Constitutional Amendment. I own a gun, I guess most folks do.

Personally,

Mine is a relic in some ways. At the old place my gun enthusiast friends would come over, we'd clean it, we'd shoot their new gun. I don't carry it or take my family places where I feel I need to carry it for their protection. Mostly it sits like a liability to be guarded from misuse by the kids or hidden so whoever breaks in doesn't steal it.

In fairness, my Stihl chainsaw and some of my shop tools are somewhat of a liability also. I try not to tease the kids with their presence. Misuse has serious consequences.

Difference is, my tools are going to be useful again likely this month or this week even if I veg out tonight. My gun, MAYBE if someone breaks in. While I'm there. Then again, they'll probably have a gun since we all do and I'm not practiced enough to think I'm a better Doc Holliday.

Politically,

In the 1770's folks owning guns made a difference I think. Best I can tell in the 1860's Southerners owning guns almost saved the disgusting institution of slavery (we'll use Texas as the example of why the Civil War was fought: DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC). Heck, was the NRA founded because Northern city dwellers were such poor shots NRA | About the NRA

I don't recall any instances of gun toting NRA members saving the Bonus Army from MacArthur. I don't recall armed private citizens fighting against the militia which blocked the Little Rock 9 from school. Heck, Big Government and the Band of Brothers were sent to force the militia down.

Any instances of positive gun toting resistance since then? I dunno. Help me out here.
Have you been made to look foolish enough yet, or do you need more?
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed

Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

how?

A second amendment has never been needed

the teeth needed to protect the First.
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
So THAT'S what the victims of the Waco massacre should have fought back with....The 1st Amendment and their vote!

Pathetic.
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
So THAT'S what the victims of the Waco massacre should have fought back with....The 1st Amendment and their vote!

Pathetic.
Yeah, why didn't that Ruby Ridge guy petition the government to stop Lon Horiuchi from blowing his wife's head off?
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
Then why did the founders write the 2nd Amendment? Any foggy ideas? I see the 2nd Amendment as the single most important defense against the Progressive Socialist Liberal OWG Hate America critters.
 
Why did 1776 Occur?

Tyranny from a feudal government, A dictatorship, A socialist construct...

Our guns are to stop the consolidation of power by any one person or group resulting in tyranny.

Screw your gun grabbing pussies who want total control! Congress was placed by the people and we need the ability to remove them and their bureaucrats, by force if necessary.
Our first amendment and vote protects us from tyranny

A second amendment has never been needed
Then why did the founders write the 2nd Amendment? Any foggy ideas? I see the 2nd Amendment as the single most important defense against the Progressive Socialist Liberal OWG Hate America critters.
And that is why they despise it and want to kill it...
 
In the U.S., we have the right to own guns, limiting it too much more should require a Constitutional Amendment. I own a gun, I guess most folks do.

Personally,

Mine is a relic in some ways. At the old place my gun enthusiast friends would come over, we'd clean it, we'd shoot their new gun. I don't carry it or take my family places where I feel I need to carry it for their protection. Mostly it sits like a liability to be guarded from misuse by the kids or hidden so whoever breaks in doesn't steal it.

In fairness, my Stihl chainsaw and some of my shop tools are somewhat of a liability also. I try not to tease the kids with their presence. Misuse has serious consequences.

Difference is, my tools are going to be useful again likely this month or this week even if I veg out tonight. My gun, MAYBE if someone breaks in. While I'm there. Then again, they'll probably have a gun since we all do and I'm not practiced enough to think I'm a better Doc Holliday.

Politically,

In the 1770's folks owning guns made a difference I think. Best I can tell in the 1860's Southerners owning guns almost saved the disgusting institution of slavery (we'll use Texas as the example of why the Civil War was fought: DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861 A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union. | TSLAC). Heck, was the NRA founded because Northern city dwellers were such poor shots NRA | About the NRA

I don't recall any instances of gun toting NRA members saving the Bonus Army from MacArthur. I don't recall armed private citizens fighting against the militia which blocked the Little Rock 9 from school. Heck, Big Government and the Band of Brothers were sent to force the militia down.

Any instances of positive gun toting resistance since then? I dunno. Help me out here.
The people of Hong Kong wish they had a 2nd Amendment right now.
 

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