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Iran warns EU over nuclear commitments as deadline for further steps looms - Reuters

Iran was close to making a nuke in 2015, the hated Obama Iran deal stopped that and Iran turned over ~95% of its enriched uranium.

What do we have in place to stop Iran from making a nuke today???


Iran openly admits that they are escalating their nuke program because the US cancelled the nuke deal:

“The third step has been designed and will be stronger than the first and second steps to create balance between Iran’s rights and commitments to the JCPOA,” state news agency IRNA

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.


Ok time for you all to blame the democrats for this GOP failure. When you're a republican everything is always somebody else's (insert generic democrat here) fault.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
 

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Iran warns EU over nuclear commitments as deadline for further steps looms - Reuters

Iran was close to making a nuke in 2015, the hated Obama Iran deal stopped that and Iran turned over ~95% of its enriched uranium.

What do we have in place to stop Iran from making a nuke today???


Iran openly admits that they are escalating their nuke program because the US cancelled the nuke deal:

“The third step has been designed and will be stronger than the first and second steps to create balance between Iran’s rights and commitments to the JCPOA,” state news agency IRNA

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.


Ok time for you all to blame the democrats for this GOP failure. When you're a republican everything is always somebody else's (insert generic democrat here) fault.
If Adam just had tossed Eve out of the Garden of Eden and requested a third wife none of this would be a problem, so blame Adam and maybe he should have requested a Steve instead...

My point?

The U.S. and the former Soviet Union brought on this and you can blame Truman and Stalin.

The deals afterwards were always going to be broken and why?

Simple, every country want to be the King of the Hill no matter how tiny they are!
 
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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
Yeah, Iran’s enemy’s were so grateful to obozo for ensuring their safety. Get real. Obozo bribed Iran with cash to get them to delay their nuclear weapons program. It was a dumb and irresponsible move. Why deny reality?
 
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Iran warns EU over nuclear commitments as deadline for further steps looms - Reuters

Iran was close to making a nuke in 2015, the hated Obama Iran deal stopped that and Iran turned over ~95% of its enriched uranium.

What do we have in place to stop Iran from making a nuke today???


Iran openly admits that they are escalating their nuke program because the US cancelled the nuke deal:

“The third step has been designed and will be stronger than the first and second steps to create balance between Iran’s rights and commitments to the JCPOA,” state news agency IRNA

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.


Ok time for you all to blame the democrats for this GOP failure. When you're a republican everything is always somebody else's (insert generic democrat here) fault.
If Adam just had tossed Eve out of the Garden of Eden and requested a third wife none of this would be a problem, so blame Adam and maybe he should have requested a Steve instead...

My point?

The U.S. and the former Soviet Union brought on this and you can blame Truman and Stalin.

The deals afterwards were always going to be broken and why?

Simple, every country want to be the King of the Hill no matter how tiny they are!
There could be some truth to that.
BUT

There is one thing you are not considering. It is much better to slow these countries from making nukes because they are much easier to deal with and much less of a threat.

My point?

N Korea. If Bush would have kept the N Korea deal there is no way that N Korea would be actively testing nukes. By canceling the deal N Korea greatly and rapidly advanced it nuke program. If Bush would have kept the deal N Korea would be a significantly smaller threat today. Once the Genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting it back in.
 
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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
Yeah, Iran’s enemy’s were so grateful to obozo for ensuring their safety. Get real. Obozo bribed Iran with cash to get them to delay their nuclear weapons program. It was a dumb and irresponsible move. Why deny reality?
And when Iran makes a nuclear weapon in a few years, just like N Korea did under Bush, then what will you say? The nuke deal was working and anyway you slice it Iran is more of a threat today than in 2016.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
Yeah, Iran’s enemy’s were so grateful to obozo for ensuring their safety. Get real. Obozo bribed Iran with cash to get them to delay their nuclear weapons program. It was a dumb and irresponsible move. Why deny reality?
And when Iran makes a nuclear weapon in a few years, just like N Korea did under Bush, then what will you say? The nuke deal was working and anyway you slice it Iran is more of a threat today than in 2016.
The nuke deal was working for Iran anyway you slice it. Iran won’t get nukes. Israel will take care of them and then world condemnation of Israel will commence.
 
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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
Yeah, Iran’s enemy’s were so grateful to obozo for ensuring their safety. Get real. Obozo bribed Iran with cash to get them to delay their nuclear weapons program. It was a dumb and irresponsible move. Why deny reality?
And when Iran makes a nuclear weapon in a few years, just like N Korea did under Bush, then what will you say? The nuke deal was working and anyway you slice it Iran is more of a threat today than in 2016.
The nuke deal was working for Iran anyway you slice it. Iran won’t get nukes. Israel will take care of them and then world condemnation of Israel will commence.
Ok that's fine I hope you are correct. (But I think you are completely wrong, and I think this is N Korea all over again. Time will tell)

BUT if you are wrong then it is time to put on your big boy pants, man up, and accept responsibility for your wrong decision, because it will be a very very bad decision.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
Yeah, Iran’s enemy’s were so grateful to obozo for ensuring their safety. Get real. Obozo bribed Iran with cash to get them to delay their nuclear weapons program. It was a dumb and irresponsible move. Why deny reality?
And when Iran makes a nuclear weapon in a few years, just like N Korea did under Bush, then what will you say? The nuke deal was working and anyway you slice it Iran is more of a threat today than in 2016.
The nuke deal was working for Iran anyway you slice it. Iran won’t get nukes. Israel will take care of them and then world condemnation of Israel will commence.
Ok that's fine I hope you are correct. (But I think you are completely wrong, and I think this is N Korea all over again. Time will tell)

BUT if you are wrong then it is time to put on your big boy pants, man up, and accept responsibility for your wrong decision, because it will be a very very bad decision.
My decision? I have no say in the matter. Never did.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
It is a fact that Iran was trading with North Korea. What do you believe N.K. had to trade with Iran? The garbage they did not eat?

Clinton traded to nuclear reactors for the deal with North Korea. N.K. actually admitted that they were cheating on the Clinton deal.
 
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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
It is a fact that Iran was trading with North Korea. What do you believe N.K. had to trade with Iran? The garbage they did not eat?

Clinton traded to nuclear reactors for the deal with North Korea. N.K. actually admitted that they were cheating on the Clinton deal.
1) Clinton gave N Korea 2 light water reactors, they already had Heavy water reactors. You need to look up the difference between a light water and heavy water reactor (in summary, light water reactors nuclear waste is much harder to enrich for making weapons grade material, N Korea already had the heavy reactors and that is what they were using to get their nuclear material from. What Clinton did reduced N Korea nuclear capabilities, and Bush reversed that...)

2) Bush canceled the NK deal and sat back and watched NK make a nuke AND test a nuke. So that is what you think Trump should do? He already canceled the deal and if Iran now makes a nuke he should just sit back and watch them test it like NK???
 
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Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
Yeah, Iran’s enemy’s were so grateful to obozo for ensuring their safety. Get real. Obozo bribed Iran with cash to get them to delay their nuclear weapons program. It was a dumb and irresponsible move. Why deny reality?
And when Iran makes a nuclear weapon in a few years, just like N Korea did under Bush, then what will you say? The nuke deal was working and anyway you slice it Iran is more of a threat today than in 2016.
The nuke deal was working for Iran anyway you slice it. Iran won’t get nukes. Israel will take care of them and then world condemnation of Israel will commence.
Ok that's fine I hope you are correct. (But I think you are completely wrong, and I think this is N Korea all over again. Time will tell)

BUT if you are wrong then it is time to put on your big boy pants, man up, and accept responsibility for your wrong decision, because it will be a very very bad decision.
My decision? I have no say in the matter. Never did.
your decision... to support the decision!
 

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We keep playing games with nukes & one of these days we may get a very hard lesson.
 

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Iran warns EU over nuclear commitments as deadline for further steps looms - Reuters

Iran was close to making a nuke in 2015, the hated Obama Iran deal stopped that and Iran turned over ~95% of its enriched uranium.

What do we have in place to stop Iran from making a nuke today???


Iran openly admits that they are escalating their nuke program because the US cancelled the nuke deal:

“The third step has been designed and will be stronger than the first and second steps to create balance between Iran’s rights and commitments to the JCPOA,” state news agency IRNA

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.


Ok time for you all to blame the democrats for this GOP failure. When you're a republican everything is always somebody else's (insert generic democrat here) fault.
----------------------------------------- nothing to worry about , TRUMP has 'nukes' and the secret nuclear codes on his Nightstand and copies of the codes on the kitchen table in the Whitehouse and copies in the OVAL Office Banker .
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
It is a fact that Iran was trading with North Korea. What do you believe N.K. had to trade with Iran? The garbage they did not eat?

Clinton traded to nuclear reactors for the deal with North Korea. N.K. actually admitted that they were cheating on the Clinton deal.
1) Clinton gave N Korea 2 light water reactors, they already had Heavy water reactors. You need to look up the difference between a light water and heavy water reactor (in summary, light water reactors nuclear waste is much harder to enrich for making weapons grade material, N Korea already had the heavy reactors and that is what they were using to get their nuclear material from. What Clinton did reduced N Korea nuclear capabilities, and Bush reversed that...)

2) Bush canceled the NK deal and sat back and watched NK make a nuke AND test a nuke. So that is what you think Trump should do? He already canceled the deal and if Iran now makes a nuke he should just sit back and watch them test it like NK???
I know what a light water reactor is not everyone is uninformed.
So we should have just continued with the N.K. deal even when they admitted that they were not following it. Talk about not having a clue.

Bush should have taken a stand with N.K. just as 44 should have.

I think Trump should renegotiate with Iran and not make a silly deal that means nothing just so he can claim a victory. The last deal was pretty much a joke and p.r. stunt.

But if you can claim victory for even half a day some see it as a win.
 
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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
It is a fact that Iran was trading with North Korea. What do you believe N.K. had to trade with Iran? The garbage they did not eat?

Clinton traded to nuclear reactors for the deal with North Korea. N.K. actually admitted that they were cheating on the Clinton deal.
1) Clinton gave N Korea 2 light water reactors, they already had Heavy water reactors. You need to look up the difference between a light water and heavy water reactor (in summary, light water reactors nuclear waste is much harder to enrich for making weapons grade material, N Korea already had the heavy reactors and that is what they were using to get their nuclear material from. What Clinton did reduced N Korea nuclear capabilities, and Bush reversed that...)

2) Bush canceled the NK deal and sat back and watched NK make a nuke AND test a nuke. So that is what you think Trump should do? He already canceled the deal and if Iran now makes a nuke he should just sit back and watch them test it like NK???
I know what a light water reactor is not everyone is uninformed.
So we should have just continued with the N.K. deal even when they admitted that they were not following it. Talk about not having a clue.

Bush should have taken a stand with N.K. just as 44 should have.

I think Trump should renegotiate with Iran and not make a silly deal that means nothing just so he can claim a victory. The last deal was pretty much a joke and p.r. stunt.

But if you can claim victory for even half a day some see it as a win.
If you know what a light water reactor is then why would you criticize Clinton for it?????
Trading a heavy water reactor for a light water reactor is a win.

Any violations of the Clinton deal were minor and certainly if the deal was in place NK would not being testing nukes, so anyway you slice it what Bush did was absolutely stupid and the worst possible outcome. Keeping the Clinton deal in place would have been a substantially better option.

How is the iran deal that got Iran to turn over 95% of their nuclear material and have real inspection silly??

Again, right now we have the worst possible outcome as Iran is actively enriching uranium and advancing their nuclear program, and Trump has done nothing to stop this. Iran is much more of a threat today than 2016.

You seem to think Trump is going to somehow obtain some magic deal, the same way you thought Bush would somehow obtain a magic deal with NK. That magic deal never happened and resulted in NK making nukes? Meanwhile Iran is on their way to making a nuke (just like NK in 2003) and Trump hasn't done anything to stop them, just like Bush.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
It is a fact that Iran was trading with North Korea. What do you believe N.K. had to trade with Iran? The garbage they did not eat?

Clinton traded to nuclear reactors for the deal with North Korea. N.K. actually admitted that they were cheating on the Clinton deal.
1) Clinton gave N Korea 2 light water reactors, they already had Heavy water reactors. You need to look up the difference between a light water and heavy water reactor (in summary, light water reactors nuclear waste is much harder to enrich for making weapons grade material, N Korea already had the heavy reactors and that is what they were using to get their nuclear material from. What Clinton did reduced N Korea nuclear capabilities, and Bush reversed that...)

2) Bush canceled the NK deal and sat back and watched NK make a nuke AND test a nuke. So that is what you think Trump should do? He already canceled the deal and if Iran now makes a nuke he should just sit back and watch them test it like NK???
I know what a light water reactor is not everyone is uninformed.
So we should have just continued with the N.K. deal even when they admitted that they were not following it. Talk about not having a clue.

Bush should have taken a stand with N.K. just as 44 should have.

I think Trump should renegotiate with Iran and not make a silly deal that means nothing just so he can claim a victory. The last deal was pretty much a joke and p.r. stunt.

But if you can claim victory for even half a day some see it as a win.
If you know what a light water reactor is then why would you criticize Clinton for it?????
Trading a heavy water reactor for a light water reactor is a win.

Any violations of the Clinton deal were minor and certainly if the deal was in place NK would not being testing nukes, so anyway you slice it what Bush did was absolutely stupid and the worst possible outcome. Keeping the Clinton deal in place would have been a substantially better option.

How is the iran deal that got Iran to turn over 95% of their nuclear material and have real inspection silly??

Again, right now we have the worst possible outcome as Iran is actively enriching uranium and advancing their nuclear program, and Trump has done nothing to stop this. Iran is much more of a threat today than 2016.

You seem to think Trump is going to somehow obtain some magic deal, the same way you thought Bush would somehow obtain a magic deal with NK. That magic deal never happened and resulted in NK making nukes? Meanwhile Iran is on their way to making a nuke (just like NK in 2003) and Trump hasn't done anything to stop them, just like Bush.
So your whole proposition is no matter how much they were cheating, no matter that they did not have nuclear capability yet we should have turned a blind eye and kept up our end of the deal. Almost as good as deciding that you should pay someone $100.00 for some weed then finding out they plan to shoot you in the heart and steal the $500.00 you have on you. But better to go through with the deal, right.

You really can't think that North Korea was not trading nuclear secrets to Iran.
The deal was only for a limited time. After which they had free reign to do whatever they wanted. By that time they may very well have gotten everything from N.K. To have the bomb or a number of them in a few weeks.

I gather you missed the fact I thought that both Bush and 44 should have negotiated with N.K. but they failed to even try. Do I expect Trump to succeed better then 44 did? No way to tell. I will not decide on an outcome before something happens. I do know that the so called deal wthat was with Iran was no better then a photo op.
 

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The idea that obozo got Iran to decide they did not need nukes doesn’t pass the laugh test. All he did was flush them with cash and make what will eventually be a war between Iran and Israel more difficult for Israel.
Yet at the end of the day Iran turned over all their enriched uranium and had their sites inspected. Every country in the deal said Iran was complying and there was zero evidence that iran was enriching uranium again.

Anyway you slice it Iran is more of a nuclear threat today than in 2016.

This is identical to N Korea. We had a working deal in place with NK, Bush canceled it. NK said "we are going to actively increase our nuke program". Bush did nothing. NK then made a nuke and tested it all while Bush did nothing??? Somehow that's Clinton's fault though...

If Bush didn't cancel that NK deal NK would not have made a nuke. They certainly would not have been testing their nukes, and they certainly would not be as great of a nuclear threat today.
It is a fact that Iran was trading with North Korea. What do you believe N.K. had to trade with Iran? The garbage they did not eat?

Clinton traded to nuclear reactors for the deal with North Korea. N.K. actually admitted that they were cheating on the Clinton deal.
1) Clinton gave N Korea 2 light water reactors, they already had Heavy water reactors. You need to look up the difference between a light water and heavy water reactor (in summary, light water reactors nuclear waste is much harder to enrich for making weapons grade material, N Korea already had the heavy reactors and that is what they were using to get their nuclear material from. What Clinton did reduced N Korea nuclear capabilities, and Bush reversed that...)

2) Bush canceled the NK deal and sat back and watched NK make a nuke AND test a nuke. So that is what you think Trump should do? He already canceled the deal and if Iran now makes a nuke he should just sit back and watch them test it like NK???
I know what a light water reactor is not everyone is uninformed.
So we should have just continued with the N.K. deal even when they admitted that they were not following it. Talk about not having a clue.

Bush should have taken a stand with N.K. just as 44 should have.

I think Trump should renegotiate with Iran and not make a silly deal that means nothing just so he can claim a victory. The last deal was pretty much a joke and p.r. stunt.

But if you can claim victory for even half a day some see it as a win.
If you know what a light water reactor is then why would you criticize Clinton for it?????
Trading a heavy water reactor for a light water reactor is a win.

Any violations of the Clinton deal were minor and certainly if the deal was in place NK would not being testing nukes, so anyway you slice it what Bush did was absolutely stupid and the worst possible outcome. Keeping the Clinton deal in place would have been a substantially better option.

How is the iran deal that got Iran to turn over 95% of their nuclear material and have real inspection silly??

Again, right now we have the worst possible outcome as Iran is actively enriching uranium and advancing their nuclear program, and Trump has done nothing to stop this. Iran is much more of a threat today than 2016.

You seem to think Trump is going to somehow obtain some magic deal, the same way you thought Bush would somehow obtain a magic deal with NK. That magic deal never happened and resulted in NK making nukes? Meanwhile Iran is on their way to making a nuke (just like NK in 2003) and Trump hasn't done anything to stop them, just like Bush.
What do you propose we do to stop them from producing a nuke?

Right now their economy is crippled. They can't sell oil. Do you propose attacking their nuclear facilities?
 

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