When exactly does the Democrats' socialism kick in?

[citygator]

Wow, record oil production. Does the working class eat oil? Do they live in oil? Does oil cure disease and educate our children? That's like saying "The working class is all good because Wall Street speculators are making a profit". Wowee you sound so smart, amazing. The cost of living is through the roof, and wages are stagnant, but that's OK, we have a lot of oil and Wall Street is making money. You're definitely "whiffing" there too much because you have your head stuck in there.

You said oil production made democrats communists. Did you lose your train of thought? This word salad doesn’t address that claim.

Oil is at a record and produced entirely by private companies. Nothing about that is communist.

 

[jc456]

You said oil production made democrats communists. Did you lose your train of thought? This word salad doesn’t address that claim.

Oil is at a record and produced entirely by private companies. Nothing about that is communist.

Actually, the dictator creepy joe stopped drilling, used up reserves threatening Americans

 

[TruthNotBS]

You said oil production made democrats communists. Did you lose your train of thought? This word salad doesn’t address that claim.

Oil is at a record and produced entirely by private companies. Nothing about that is communist.

When did I ever say oil made democrats communists? You're confused. It doesn't matter how much oil we have if people can't buy it and if there aren't any jobs or affordable housing. So far everything you've said about communism is wrong, including the idea that the state can't drill for oil. Many modern industrialized nations have their energy sector fully or partially nationalized so again, you need to stop "whiffing" down there. Our private sector is heavily subsidized by the state:

Rank	Parent	Subsidy Value	Number of Awards
1	Boeing	$15,496,865,703	958
2	Intel	$8,421,707,656	135
3	Ford Motor	$7,742,056,086	703
4	General Motors	$7,524,714,800	792
5	Micron Technology	$6,790,131,915	21
6	Amazon.com	$5,823,705,434	460
7	Alcoa	$5,727,691,764	134
8	Cheniere Energy	$5,617,152,523	43
9	Foxconn Technology Group (Hon Hai Precision Industry Company)	$4,820,110,112	74
10	Venture Global LNG	$4,338,702,441	8
11	Texas Instruments	$4,286,328,869	69
12	Volkswagen	$3,977,630,513	217
13	Sempra Energy	$3,828,022,782	51
14	NRG Energy	$3,415,751,518	266
15	NextEra Energy	$3,008,691,129	116
16	Sasol	$2,836,049,845	72
17	Tesla Inc.	$2,829,855,494	114
18	Stellantis	$2,795,436,436	213
19	Walt Disney	$2,543,219,673	265
20	Nucor	$2,538,761,123	176
21	Iberdrola	$2,380,558,984	110
22	Rivian Automotive Inc.	$2,364,054,012	7
23	Hyundai Motor	$2,349,743,470	18
24	Oracle	$2,272,418,288	96
25	Shell PLC	$2,211,676,001	132
26	Mubadala Investment Company	$2,124,035,097	62
27	Nike	$2,104,917,829	153
28	Meta Platforms Inc.	$2,098,261,272	82
29	Toyota	$2,071,010,689	239
30	Alphabet Inc.	$2,054,325,527	125
31	Brookfield Corporation	$1,979,408,388	288
32	Paramount Global	$1,974,249,897	342
33	Comcast	$1,927,402,844	405
34	Exxon Mobil	$1,917,119,478	241
35	Samsung Electronics	$1,891,136,597	41
36	Apple Inc.	$1,845,004,670	63
37	Nissan	$1,842,814,165	98
38	Berkshire Hathaway	$1,830,986,253	1,200
39	Summit Power	$1,783,593,414	6
40	JPMorgan Chase	$1,740,972,699	1,151
41	Energy Transfer	$1,736,836,843	175
42	Cleveland-Cliffs	$1,705,497,604	129
43	Southern Company	$1,694,958,172	45
44	General Electric	$1,645,135,367	958
45	Vornado Realty Trust	$1,623,857,336	33
46	Duke Energy	$1,580,421,869	86
47	Wolfspeed Inc.	$1,563,595,610	64
48	General Atomics	$1,510,875,891	112
49	IBM Corp.	$1,497,901,697	368
50	Lockheed Martin	$1,462,674,082	325
51	OGE Energy	$1,427,570,182	15
52	SCS Energy	$1,419,011,796	5
53	Corning Inc.	$1,391,603,359	401
54	Panasonic	$1,384,147,584	61
55	Microsoft	$1,366,243,159	113
56	Sagamore Development	$1,320,000,000	2
57	Northrop Grumman	$1,284,014,883	285
58	Vingroup	$1,254,000,000	1
59	Continental AG	$1,244,875,478	111
60	RTX Corporation	$1,193,950,954	797
61	CF Industries	$1,134,394,215	131
62	Valero Energy	$1,053,812,692	207
63	Dow Inc.	$1,049,354,213	640
64	AES Corp.	$1,039,510,135	136
65	Air Products & Chemicals	$1,025,557,482	88
66	Exelon	$986,892,877	98
67	Pyramid Companies	$973,565,278	93
68	SK Holdings	$960,550,283	8
69	SkyWest	$944,296,654	339
70	Centene	$916,607,054	60
71	Mazda Toyota Manufacturing, U.S.A., Inc.	$900,000,000	1
72	Apollo Global Management	$897,750,089	594
73	Delta Air Lines	$871,485,833	13
74	Jefferies Financial Group	$871,137,335	16
75	SK Hynix	$866,700,000	2
76	Bayer	$852,475,226	217
77	Honda	$849,832,301	93
78	Shin-Etsu Chemical	$828,683,936	106
79	Enterprise Products Partners	$826,988,371	89
80	SunEdison	$817,425,725	115
81	Goldman Sachs	$800,873,386	253
82	Bank of America	$798,426,128	956
83	E.ON	$786,865,473	40
84	Warner Bros. Discovery Inc.	$786,835,708	219
85	EDF-Electricite de France	$774,590,441	36
86	Triple Five Worldwide	$748,000,000	4
87	EDP-Energias de Portugal	$733,674,868	14
88	Related Companies	$714,675,504	8
89	Koch Industries	$683,066,388	510
90	Caithness Energy	$672,688,888	30
91	Dell Technologies	$658,417,951	185
92	Wells Fargo	$657,333,216	542
93	FedEx	$647,035,546	633
94	Entergy	$638,533,387	235
95	OCI N.V.	$627,879,406	5
96	Eli Lilly	$623,326,368	79
97	Chevron Phillips Chemical	$619,839,444	20
98	Bedrock Detroit	$618,000,000	1
99	Dominion Energy	$615,436,089	79

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Oil companies are heavily subsidized by Uncle Sam. In other words, socialism allows the private oil sector to function.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

What specific socialism are you seeing? I dont see any.

Student loans being passed on to the tax payer, grocery store price fixing, home down payment gifts. Those are just three new ones she came up with today. You’ve already been given the list of the existing ones but choose to ignore them.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[citygator]

Student loans being passed on to the tax payer, grocery store price fixing, home down payment gifts. Those are just three new ones she came up with today. You’ve already been given the list of the existing ones but choose to ignore them.

Public education. Yea. There’s a controversial topic. Please.

Kamala is against price fixing that is happening in markets and wants to stop it.

Tax breaks for home owners is just as helpful as tax breaks for businesses or any number of favored industries getting billions today.

 

[citygator]

Actually, the dictator creepy joe stopped drilling, used up reserves threatening Americans

We are drilling more than ever as evident from most oil produced ever. Joe stopped nothing. Are you ignorant or disingenuous?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Public education. Yea. There’s a controversial topic. Please.

Kamala is against price fixing that is happening in markets and wants to stop it.

Tax breaks for home owners is just as helpful as tax breaks for businesses or any number of favored industries getting billions today.

Public education needs returned to the states. And our generosity ends when you turn 18. It’s all on you as an adult after that.

There’s no price fixing in the markets. The costs are what they are due to her and bidumbs policies. She’s trying to spread the blame for her own failures with even more disastrous policies.

She isn’t suggesting tax breaks, just more spending and handing out money we are borrowing to once again cover for her disastrous policies that caused the problem.

 

[Hector12]

Damn, even your memes are wrong.

No wonder you are so ignorant.

The real definition of a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

That has always been the ideal of socialism. The reality of socialism is that the government owns productive wealth. If the government is democratic, this can work. Unfortunately, in practice most socialist economies have been controlled by dictatorships. When this happens, it is easy for the dictator to decree a high standard of living for himself and his cronies, while most people remain poor. This is what has usually happened. North Korea is a graphic example of this.

I prefer Scandanavian Social Democracy. In Scandanavian Social Democracy there are democratic governments, a high minimum wage, strong labor unions, and a well financed public sector of the economy financed by steeply progressive taxation. Most businesses are privately owned, but they are heavily taxed and regulated and there is no doubt that the government is in charge.

 

[Anathema]

Then how do you connect local roads into county and state roads and eventually an interstate highway.

The roads we drive on are socialism and controlled by the government (local, state and federal)

You don’t. You have city streets. If they happen to meet another towns street at a border, so be it. I don’t believe interstates should exist . If they do, they should be chopped up into individual town control.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It's here in many forms.

Just not any in a convenient format to mention I guess.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The Socialism has been here for decades… Socisl Security, Medicare, Medicaid, The Affordable Care Act, Affirmative Action, etc… Most of what the Feds do today is Socialism, and contrary to the limits laid out in the US Constitution.

So Republicans want to cut social security and Medicare then?

 

[Anathema]

So Republicans want to cut social security and Medicare then?

Unfortunately, no they don’t. That's why I don’t generally support Republicans… or Democrats

 

[struth]

Communism, advanced robotics, and artificial intelligence go hand in hand. They're more compatible with each other than they are with capitalism.

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Those machines exist thanks to socialism, which funded most of the research and development of those technologies:

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Without direct government funding (public funds) and programs, none of the technology, including the internet, would exist. So you're just ignorant. However, Capitalism at the scale of a country like ours, wouldn't exist if not for socialism. Socialism bails out the capitalists every few years and makes sure inequality doesn't get too out of hand, leading to social unrest and eventually war.

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That advanced automation and artificial intelligence is perfectly compatible with socialism and communism, not with capitalism. Capitalism is full of contradictions, one of them is that in pursuit of profits (private capital accumulation), it innovates production, making it as efficient and cheap as possible, hence it nullifies itself. Without human labor or wages, there's no market, because markets rely on wages/paying consumers. No human labor/no wages/no paying customers/no capitalism. It's that simple.

Without all of the technology developed before capitalism, capitalism wouldn't have existed. So your arguments are just plain stupid.

What advanced technology came from communism? Or socialism?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

What advanced technology came from communism? Or socialism?

Who are communists or socialists?

 

[jc456]

We are drilling more than ever as evident from most oil produced ever. Joe stopped nothing. Are you ignorant or disingenuous?

That’s brainwashing you have been through

 

[struth]

Who are communists or socialists?

How does that answer my question? What a weird post

 

[rightwinger]

You don’t. You have city streets. If they happen to meet another towns street at a border, so be it. I don’t believe interstates should exist . If they do, they should be chopped up into individual town control.

 

[TruthNotBS]

What advanced technology came from communism? Or socialism?

You ignored what I wrote, asking me a question already answered in the post. Your problem is that you read one sentence of my post and start firing your response, rather than finishing reading what I said. Practically all of the advanced technology that we use today was at one point, funded or sponsored by a government. This is true concerning the internet, advanced computing, smartphones, touch screens, AI..etc. Public funds contribute heavily to the research and development of technology.

Moreover, another point I made that you conveniently ignored is that capitalism, just like every other mode of production that preceded it, relied on technology previously developed. Technology in the past was almost always funded by kings, and governments, not "private investors". So your critique is silly and disingenuous.

For the sake of argument, let's assume you're correct. So what? Just as capitalism inherited the assets and resources of feudalism, and republicanism, seized the resources of monarchism, socialism and communism are the beneficiaries and successors of capitalism.

 

[struth]

You ignored what I wrote, asking me a question already answered in the post. Your problem is that you read one sentence of my post and start firing your response, rather than finishing reading what I said. Practically all of the advanced technology that we use today was at one point, funded or sponsored by a government. This is true concerning the internet, advanced computing, smartphones, touch screens, AI..etc. Public funds contribute heavily to the research and development of technology.

Moreover, another point I made that you conveniently ignored is that capitalism, just like every other mode of production that preceded it, relied on technology previously developed. Technology in the past was almost always funded by kings, and governments, not "private investors". So your critique is silly and disingenuous.

For the sake of argument, let's assume you're correct. So what? Just as capitalism inherited the assets and resources of feudalism, and republicanism, and seized the resources of monarchism, socialism and communism are the beneficiaries and successors of capitalism.

So what socialist state or commie state made advances in tech?