When did we become a medieval society?

[Mr. Shaman]

when did we become the kind of people that clamor for a photo of a dead guy or we won't believe he's really dead?


some of y'all are just fucked.

true story

thanks

We are dealing with the medieval deathcult of islam.

....And, you're only what....the next Jeff Dahmer???

Belly-UP!!!!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Which is why you'll never be the POTUS.

As if I wanted the pay cut.

LOL. Sure, pal. Sure.
Not about the money, I don't care how much you make.

As I said:

 

[Vanquish]

It's not war, tardo.

Insults about naivety only get you so far.

Confirmation that he's dead and al Qaeda themselves saying the news "has been a catastrophe" for them is the reward. Seeing a dead man with a hole in his eye shouldn't be the image associated with the sacrifice of my country's soldiers. The incontrovertible and devastating blow to al Qaeda should be, and that's intact without seeing a corpse.

 

[AllieBaba]

when did we become the kind of people that clamor for a photo of a dead guy or we won't believe he's really dead?


some of y'all are just fucked.

true story

thanks

We are dealing with the medieval deathcult of islam.

....And, you're only what....the next Jeff Dahmer???​

​

Belly-UP!!!!

You're comparing him to Dahmer..why? Because he recognizes Islam as a deathcult?

How does that parallel Dahmer????

 

[Valerie]

Obama decides against releasing bin Laden death photos


The decision came after a lengthy discussion with top Cabinet and security officials, Carney said, reiterating "there is no doubt we killed Osama bin Laden."

Carney cited security concerns as well as the desire to avoid a perception of U.S. gloating.

"We don't trot out this stuff as trophies," Carney quoted Obama as saying in an interview earlier Wednesday with the CBS program "60 Minutes."

"This is somebody deserving of the justice he received," Obama said in the interview, according to Carney. "But we don't need to spike the football."


In particular, Carney cited a heightened national security risk from release of the photos and said Obama's top priority remained the safety of Americans at home and abroad.

Obama decides against releasing bin Laden death photos - CNN.com

They have DNA evidence as well as the classified pics and first hand intel. No doubt we'll see all of it eventually...

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I'm disheartened by the rabid bloodlust I see on this board, and in certain media, over releasing these images, and the hysterical ranting about what people would do with his body.

He's dead. This particular terrorist is dead. Let's focus on destroying the rest of the bastards.

It's nothing new.

some want to see it cuz it's news
Some just want it as proof for closure
some are sick freaks that get off on it


seriously, bloodlust, gore, the macabre, is not a 20th century invention

Yea, but we really should be slightly more civilized than that. I expect to see ranting and raving and disgusting images from our enemy... we are better than them.

Yeah......

....sure we are.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I find it odd, after the run up to the war in Iraq, who is -not- asking for proof.

I also haven't seen the definitive story-
Did we go in to kill rather than capture?
Did OBL resist? Was he armed? Did he try to surrender? Was he killed anyway?
If OBL did try to surrender and was killed anyway, who made that call? When?

 

[AllieBaba]

I think Osama has been a "wanted dead or alive" situation from day 1, to be left to the discretion of the party who nailed him.

I certainly never expected him to come in alive.

 

[chanel]

Did they have digital photos and the internet in medieval times?

Sorry del. It seems more like a contemporary idea to me. Reading is passe. We like pictures.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I think Osama has been a "wanted dead or alive" situation from day 1, to be left to the discretion of the party who nailed him.

I certainly never expected him to come in alive.

Well, I agree.

He openly made war against the US. That removes any onus we might have had to arrest him and bring him in - his life was always fair game.

BUT... even in war, if you try to surrender, your opponent must make every effort to allow you to do so.

 

[uscitizen]

when did we become the kind of people that clamor for a photo of a dead guy or we won't believe he's really dead?


some of y'all are just fucked.

true story

thanks

Well said and I agree. I supose some would have wanted to have him stuffed and put on a pedestal.
Some of the same ones who call OBL's types cavemen and such.
Irony is so underappreciated.

then there are the ones who says we should have taken him alive but would whine about the trial and such.
Partisan hackery is somewhat astounding to me.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

We are dealing with the medieval deathcult of islam.Out of spite I want to see the corpse
of that dead pig and taunt the muslim scum.

....And, you're only what....the next Jeff Dahmer???​

​

Belly-UP!!!!

You're comparing him to Dahmer..why? Because he recognizes Islam as a deathcult?

How does that parallel Dahmer????

O.K., there's his entire-quote.

He's sounding normal, to you, huh??​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Did they have digital photos and the internet in medieval times?

Sorry del. It seems more like a contemporary idea to me. Reading is passe. We like pictures.

It's probably time one o' you 'Baggers admitted that.​

 

[AllieBaba]

....And, you're only what....the next Jeff Dahmer???​

​

You're comparing him to Dahmer..why? Because he recognizes Islam as a deathcult?

How does that parallel Dahmer????

O.K., there's his entire-quote.​

He's sounding normal, to you, huh??​

More normal than you, that's for sure.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Step away from the bong.

 

[AllieBaba]

I think Osama has been a "wanted dead or alive" situation from day 1, to be left to the discretion of the party who nailed him.

I certainly never expected him to come in alive.

Well, I agree.

He openly made war against the US. That removes any onus we might have had to arrest him and bring him in - his life was always fair game.

BUT... even in war, if you try to surrender, your opponent must make every effort to allow you to do so.

Why do you think he tried to surrender? His wife attacked the guys...you really think he had his hands up in the air and there was no other threat?

And really, why should it matter? I find it nauseating that whenever our guys do something right, asshole armchair soldiers shit all over them.

 

[geauxtohell]

I find it odd, after the run up to the war in Iraq, who is -not- asking for proof.

I also haven't seen the definitive story-
Did we go in to kill rather than capture?
Did OBL resist? Was he armed? Did he try to surrender? Was he killed anyway?
If OBL did try to surrender and was killed anyway, who made that call? When?

The mission was to kill or capture.

I am sure the SEAL team had to place a call to Obama for clearance to fire.

The guy behind the trigger made the decision to shoot. Who knows what his reasons were.

Now you get your own:

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I think Osama has been a "wanted dead or alive" situation from day 1, to be left to the discretion of the party who nailed him.

I certainly never expected him to come in alive.

Well, I agree.

He openly made war against the US. That removes any onus we might have had to arrest him and bring him in - his life was always fair game.

BUT... even in war, if you try to surrender, your opponent must make every effort to allow you to do so.

In theory, that sounds fine.....
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“Let us learn our lessons. Never, never, never believe any War will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter.

The Statesman who yields to War Fever must realize that – once the signal is given – he is no longer the Master Of Policy but the Slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. Antiquated War offices, weak, incompetent, or arrogant commanders, untrustworthy allies, hostile neutrals, malignant fortune, ugly surprises, awful miscalculations – ALL take their seats at the council board on the morrow of a declaration of War.

Always remember, however sure you are that you can easily win, that there would not BE a War, if the other man did not think HE also had a chance.” – Winston Churchill

How many of the Chickenhawks (who launched the present-Wars), do you believe, really considered the (actual) mechanics of War?

Hell....it was a bu$ine$$-venture, to them!​

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'd like to know how they kept all the sailors away.

Considering this is the age of tech.

How did they unload a body from a helo, stow it, clean it, dress it up for a ceremony, have a ceremony and toss him into the deep blue sea.

And not a single man was able to get a single pic or video?



****, the more I think about this, the more paranoid I become.

Are you serious?

By that logic, how does the Admiral keep the sailors from rummaging through his desk drawers?

C'mon.

That's not a close comparison.

Sailors talk to other sailors since we can't talk about much of what we do. Rumors are called scuttlebutt, and they travel fast. What I'm saying is that it's such a long shot that somebody didn't get something, it's something to consider.

of course, the ship they say they put him may not have actually been the one he was put on.

Honestly I would have expected a sub be used at some point.

 

[geauxtohell]

That's not a close comparison.

Sailors talk to other sailors since we can't talk about much of what we do. Rumors are called scuttlebutt, and they travel fast. What I'm saying is that it's such a long shot that somebody didn't get something, it's something to consider.

of course, the ship they say they put him may not have actually been the one he was put on.

Honestly I would have expected a sub be used at some point.

You honestly think that SEAL team 6 could get in and out of Pakistan virtually undetected but couldn't keep their own sailors our of certain areas of their own ship?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I think Osama has been a "wanted dead or alive" situation from day 1, to be left to the discretion of the party who nailed him.

I certainly never expected him to come in alive.

Well, I agree.

He openly made war against the US. That removes any onus we might have had to arrest him and bring him in - his life was always fair game.

BUT... even in war, if you try to surrender, your opponent must make every effort to allow you to do so.

Why do you think he tried to surrender?

I don't.
But I also havent seen anthing that definitively states that he did -not- try to surrender.
This, the possibility remains open. Without the definitive story, there' no way to rule -anyting- out.

His wife attacked the guys...you really think he had his hands up in the air and there was no other threat?

Certainly possible.

And really, why should it matter?

As I said:
Even in war, if you try to surrender, your opponent must make every effort to allow you to do so.

I find it nauseating that whenever our guys do something right, asshole armchair soldiers shit all over them.

That's because you aren't paying attention. Try harder.