Whats wrong with education from teachers point of view

[citygator]

I often clash with the public teachers on this forum

They know who they are and what we disagree about

But the teachers on this video have valid complaints and my sympathy

The reason we have a teacher shortage is how difficult the job is because our culture has declined so much

And its getting worse

If the teachers think parents are a problem now, wait until the out of control children in the schools today grow up and have children of their own

Because conditions can and probably will get worse

Nothing like educational analysis posted from a car on social media. You guys consider this data and scoff at real data. Cracks me up.

Almost none of you right wing nuts value education. Your posts here are never backed up with facts like this OP.

All the data surveys show that key factors in the shortage are:

• Terrible pay
• Reduced resources and support
• Reduced autonomy and 50% of America (the right) hates teachers

Here is an excellent well researched document from last year from the National Bureau of Economic Research:

THE RISE AND FALL OF THE TEACHING PROFESSION:
PRESTIGE, INTEREST, PREPARATION, AND
SATISFACTION OVER THE LAST HALF CENTURY

 

[Woodznutz]

Not our problem. It's THEIR problem.

This is the worst parenting I have seen in my entire 32 year career. When we call bc a child is sick or out of control, we have parents tell us the child is not THEIR child from 8-4. During those hours, it's OUR child.

No ma'am. No ma'am. I didn't birth the child, name the child, etc. This is YOUR child.

No. It's your child. Read the truancy laws.

 

[maj]

How do parents homeschool when both of them work to make ends meet?

Why are you asking Sue that question?

 

[SweetSue92]

Nothing like educational analysis posted from a car on social media. You guys consider this data and scoff at real data. Cracks me up.

Almost none of you right wing nuts value education. Your posts here are never backed up with facts like this OP.

All the data surveys show that key factors in the shortage are:

• Terrible pay
• Reduced resources and support
• Reduced autonomy and 50% of America (the right) hates teachers

Here is an excellent well researched document from last year from the National Bureau of Economic Research:

THE RISE AND FALL OF THE TEACHING PROFESSION:
PRESTIGE, INTEREST, PREPARATION, AND
SATISFACTION OVER THE LAST HALF CENTURY

Teachers have never been well paid. It's the BEHAVIOR and the attitude of the parents that have toppled the apple cart.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nothing like educational analysis posted from a car on social media. You guys consider this data and scoff at real data. Cracks me up.

Almost none of you right wing nuts value education. Your posts here are never backed up with facts like this OP.

All the data surveys show that key factors in the shortage are:

• Terrible pay
• Reduced resources and support
• Reduced autonomy and 50% of America (the right) hates teachers

Here is an excellent well researched document from last year from the National Bureau of Economic Research:

THE RISE AND FALL OF THE TEACHING PROFESSION:
PRESTIGE, INTEREST, PREPARATION, AND
SATISFACTION OVER THE LAST HALF CENTURY

Oops. Teachers understand beforehand that the pay won't be great. So, it's not "terrible pay". However, it is terrible pay for what they have to put up with.

 

[maj]

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All the data surveys show that key factors in the shortage are:

• Terrible pay

The biggest myth going.

 

[Woodznutz]

Teacher should have this sign over the blackboard.

"When the door closes on this classroom your ass is mine until the bell rings."

 

[maj]

Mostly, from what I have seen, the children are indulged and so completely undisciplined, so the parents pursue a 504 to make up for the lack. Mind you: you don't even need a DIAGNOSIS for a 504. It can be "suspected".

Right. All us teachers have decided we have "suspected anxiety and stress" and so need a two hour nap block in the afternoon.

That's the level of ridiculousness I'm talking about here....

What's a 504? Is it like a 5150?

 

[SweetSue92]

Teacher should have this sign over the blackboard.

"When the door closes on this classroom your ass is mine until the bell rings."

I mean, no.

But it used to be enough to simply be kind, caring and empathetic.

Now, we expected to monitor kids emotional states, ease their anxiety and heal their trauma. In between teaching them something, who really knows.

 

[SweetSue92]

Understanding the problem doesn't take a brain surgeon. You can sum it up in two

What's a 504? Is it like a 5150?

In short, it's a legal document used in schools to accommodate for kids' needs. Say a child in a wheelchair comes, the 504 might direct who and who cannot push the chair. Etc.

But now it's used for and by parents to accommodate for "suspected" needs, including the all-encompassing "anxiety". So for instance, if a child has test stress, the child can be given half a day to take a test. Or be excluded all together.

Wish I were making this up

 

[Seymour Flops]

Wait until these parents discover that an IEP is NOT a real-world document, and that the cops don't care WHY their kid assaulted someone.

Yep.

I work almost exclusively with students on the spectrum in high school. In Texas, they can get a notation on their drivers' license that they have communication problems, so cops dont' fly off the handle or make a snap judgement when they communicate poorly. I'm all for that. I've seen school resource officers, who should know better, yell at a kid who gives roundabout answers to every question due to his neurodivergency.

But if a kid truly has a disability that makes them assault people, verbally or physically, oh hell no. Teachers are not therapy punching bags.

If it is really a disability and not poor parenting, they should be getting help in a secure facility with orderlies trained to handle acting out by people who truly cannot help themselves.

If the kid is punished for assault because their idiot mother told them "never respek someone unless dey respek you first," well life is unfair. Just like it is unfair if a kid gets detention for being tardy because his dad woke up late to take him to school.

Better a detention now for tardy than growing up thinking you can report to work any old time you feel like. Better to go to juvie for pushing a teacher than to later go to the penitentiary for punching a cop.

(I recently got into a spar with a special ed parents on social media who said 'it's not assault if the child didn't mean it')

HAHAHAHA Sure Jan

Of course that same parent whose kid "doesn't mean it" because he has a disability would be shocked, shocked! at my suggestion of a secure facility. If they don't want that, medicate their little darling, so that students who want to learn can learn.

 

[SweetSue92]

I mean, no.

But it used to be enough to simply be kind, caring and empathetic.

Now, we expected to monitor kids emotional states, ease their anxiety and heal their trauma. In between teaching them something, who really knows.

Here's the official rundown from a Google search. Throughout my long career, almost all students with 504s really needed them. Cerebral palsy, eyesight issues, that type of things. It seems parents have keyed into the fact that they can get all kinds of accommodations if they can get the school to sign off on them.

To play devil's advocate: many people might say well look, school can be an awful place for kids with needs. And I get that. But at some point you have to consider the community too. Say there were 504s for airline travel. A diabetic might say they need to be provided a snack every two hours, someone with anxiety might need a flight attendant to hold their hand, etc. At some point the entire thing becomes ridiculous and unsustainable.

That's where we are.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

How do parents homeschool when both of them work to make ends meet?

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They make do.

They work fewer hours for the well being of their families.

Things like dumping the $10 coffees and salon nails and six shit tons of other unnecessary stuff.

I personally know a couple who are both doctors -- the husband works full time and the wife works fewer hours, and their home schooled children are amazing! The only children I've met in many decades that I would actually babysit if it was necessary. Polite and engaged and engaging and appropriately friendly and, of course, smarter than little whips!

I'm so sick of parents sacrificing their families' well-being for all the stupid crap that our culture tells them they need to have in order to be happy and satisfied.

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

In short, it's a legal document used in schools to accommodate for kids' needs. Say a child in a wheelchair comes, the 504 might direct who and who cannot push the chair. Etc.

But now it's used for and by parents to accommodate for "suspected" needs, including the all-encompassing "anxiety". So for instance, if a child has test stress, the child can be given half a day to take a test. Or be excluded all together.

Wish I were making this up

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So sad.

My late husband taught sixth grade, way back in the late 70's, and he would be rolling over in his grave if he saw this shit.

Several of his students got back in touch with him via Facebook about fifteen years ago, and they were all happy, successful parents and grandparents, many with their own businesses, with the exception of two -- one alcoholic and one tranny.

Seems like those exceptions are the rule today.

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[SweetSue92]

Yep.

I work almost exclusively with students on the spectrum in high school. In Texas, they can get a notation on their drivers' license that they have communication problems, so cops dont' fly off the handle or make a snap judgement when they communicate poorly. I'm all for that. I've seen school resource officers, who should know better, yell at a kid who gives roundabout answers to every question due to his neurodivergency.

But if a kid truly has a disability that makes them assault people, verbally or physically, oh hell no. Teachers are not therapy punching bags.

If it is really a disability and not poor parenting, they should be getting help in a secure facility with orderlies trained to handle acting out by people who truly cannot help themselves.

If the kid is punished for assault because their idiot mother told them "never respek someone unless dey respek you first," well life is unfair. Just like it is unfair if a kid gets detention for being tardy because his dad woke up late to take him to school.

Better a detention now for tardy than growing up thinking you can report to work any old time you feel like. Better to go to juvie for pushing a teacher than to later go to the penitentiary for punching a cop.


Of course that same parent whose kid "doesn't mean it" because he has a disability would be shocked, shocked! at my suggestion of a secure facility. If they don't want that, medicate their little darling, so that students who want to learn can learn.

Thread winner, as usual.

I don't know if these parents understand the implication of what they say. Let's say assault is not assault if the person "doesn't mean it". So the husband who impulsively punches his wife in the face did not assault her? Because he "didn't mean it"? No. It's still assault.

Also, I agree with you about the note on licenses. Very important if a student has, say, echolalia, which can seem like disrespect. But that is nothing like being hit, pushed, bitten, or had things thrown at you. All of which have happened to me in this job (and I'm not even a spec ed teacher).

 

[Woodznutz]

I mean, no.

But it used to be enough to simply be kind, caring and empathetic.

Now, we expected to monitor kids emotional states, ease their anxiety and heal their trauma. In between teaching them something, who really knows.

Are teachers trained for those duties?

 

[SweetSue92]

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They make do.

They work fewer hours for the well being of their families.

Things like dumping the $10 coffees and salon nails and six shit tons of other unnecessary stuff.

I personally know a couple who are both doctors -- the husband works full time and the wife works fewer hours, and their home schooled children are amazing! The only children I've met in many decades that I would actually babysit if it was necessary. Polite and engaged and engaging and appropriately friendly and, of course, smarter than little whips!

I'm so sick of parents sacrificing their families' well-being for all the stupid crap that our culture tells them they need to have in order to be happy and satisfied.

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Not to mention, the opportunities for homeschooled kids are off the charts these days. Meet up groups, consortiums, virtual schools. It's not what it was 40 years ago!

 

[SweetSue92]

Are teachers trained for those duties?

Of course not. It gets even worse. Our social workers are now the gurus of classroom management. That's right: we're supposed to take our direction from people who run groups of many 2-3 kids at a time, which is NOTHING like managing classrooms. But we have gone here because we live in the Era of the Victim. So all the kids are victims too, with trauma. Of course.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Not to mention, the opportunities for homeschooled kids are off the charts these days. Meet up groups, consortiums, virtual schools. It's not what it was 40 years ago!

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Yeah, so many whiners hollering about how poor home schooled kids do not get the social opportunities that public school offers, and this is total BS!

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[Woodznutz]

Not to mention, the opportunities for homeschooled kids are off the charts these days. Meet up groups, consortiums, virtual schools. It's not what it was 40 years ago!

Homeschooling is tutoring; best way to teach and to learn.