What's the difference?

[BreezeWood]

Come on, folks.

Surely Christianity has something to offer us today.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

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And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

your sincerity wains with your blatant provocation, and if true you have not solved a problem but simply highlighted its source.

Well, I really don't see Christianity as a source of problems, if that's what you mean.

It's more that we find it easy to forget all religion and focus on aggregating wealth and power - being human and all.

Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

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Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

that is contradictory to your OP, you claim 4th century christianity are the majority and have something to offer us today ...

so whats held you back if you are not the root of the problem, being the majority - the problem being the fallacy of your religion and its history of oppression and indifference.

stop pleading a childish innocence that does not exist and rather change your agenda to something worth while for all humanity than just yourselves.

 

[Mudda]

Who has China been at war with? Well, besides themselves.
The rest, not so much, the US way more.

Their neighbors, Japan, Britain and several other nations. You should try to read some actual history before posting such blather like "The US has been at war for nearly its whole existence" as if the US is the only nation which has been to war for any length of time.

Look! you're about to learn something!
America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776 : Information Clearing House - ICH

LOL. Nice stretch of the truth from WND. So the Sabine Expedition was a major war? The Yellowstone Expedition? I'm surprised it didn't list LBJ's War on Poverty and Nixon's War on Drugs.

Now you know.

 

[ding]

I predicted that you would say that too. You are getting low on milk.

The US has been at war for nearly its whole existence. Look it up.

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that.

Because it's true.

Because you are not objective.

What's not true about the US being at war for nearly its whole existence? (look it up)

The implication you are trying to make.

 

[Mudda]

The US has been at war for nearly its whole existence. Look it up.

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that.

Because it's true.

Because you are not objective.

What's not true about the US being at war for nearly its whole existence? (look it up)

The implication you are trying to make.

I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking stating it!

 

[norwegen]

If it were a 'Christian' nation, the U.S. would have no need for government organized human services.

Secular nations ought not have any need for government-organized social services, either.

And Christian churches are Christian - surprise, surprise - and have leadership/governments.

 

[ding]

I couldn't be happier for you to believe that.

Because it's true.

Because you are not objective.

What's not true about the US being at war for nearly its whole existence? (look it up)

The implication you are trying to make.

I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking stating it!

Not very well. By any objective measure we have been the least militaristic and the least imperialistic superpower in the history of man. Your problem is that you are a troll of the first order and have no conversational redeeming value whatsoever. After they ban you, you will be forgotten in one day.

 

[Mudda]

Because it's true.

Because you are not objective.

What's not true about the US being at war for nearly its whole existence? (look it up)

The implication you are trying to make.

I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking stating it!

Not very well. By any objective measure we have been the least militaristic and the least imperialistic superpower in the history of man. Your problem is that you are a troll of the first order and have no conversational redeeming value whatsoever. After they ban you, you will be forgotten in one day.

Your problem is that I'm right, the US has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

 

[WillReadmore]

Come on, folks.

Surely Christianity has something to offer us today.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

your sincerity wains with your blatant provocation, and if true you have not solved a problem but simply highlighted its source.

Well, I really don't see Christianity as a source of problems, if that's what you mean.

It's more that we find it easy to forget all religion and focus on aggregating wealth and power - being human and all.

Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

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Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

that is contradictory to your OP, you claim 4th century christianity are the majority and have something to offer us today ...

so whats held you back if you are not the root of the problem, being the majority - the problem being the fallacy of your religion and its history of oppression and indifference.

stop pleading a childish innocence that does not exist and rather change your agenda to something worth while for all humanity than just yourselves.

I think you are probably misinterpreting what I've said - and I'm sure my writing leaves ample room for that.

I'm not trying to argue whether there is/isn't a God or whether Christianity has something to offer today. Christians already have an answer to that.

What I'm saying is a challenge to Christianity - one made not just by me, by any means. It's made by Christian pastors all across our land.

My point is that given that we have a Christian majority, Christians should be going with that.

For just one example, we're embarking on a new administration, so we're getting ready to change our approach to the basic needs of humans (food, housing, health care, etc.).

How will these changes reflect our majority religion?

I'm not suggesting there is one simply answer to that. But, nobody can claim to be following a life of Christ while ignoring these questions.

And, in the end, if we ARE a Christian nation one should be able to look at our various policies and SEE that.

 

[ding]

Because you are not objective.

What's not true about the US being at war for nearly its whole existence? (look it up)

The implication you are trying to make.

I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking stating it!

Not very well. By any objective measure we have been the least militaristic and the least imperialistic superpower in the history of man. Your problem is that you are a troll of the first order and have no conversational redeeming value whatsoever. After they ban you, you will be forgotten in one day.

Your problem is that I'm right, the US has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

I don't have a problem. I just put you in your place. There is nothing left but to take a bow.

 

[WillReadmore]

Will, you seem to be confusing socialism with communism.
But you're certainly correct about the right and their version of Christianity.
Jesus must be turning in his grave. No,wait, he didn't do that rotting thing, did he?
Wonder if he was there to welcome Mahommed when he arrived on his flying horse?

No. It is the right wing that is confused on what socialism is.

We DO have problems that we solve through government - policing, business law for fair practices, health care regulations, roads/transportation, etc., etc.

That does NOT make us socialist. It makes us a civilization.

 

[BreezeWood]

Come on, folks.

Surely Christianity has something to offer us today.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

your sincerity wains with your blatant provocation, and if true you have not solved a problem but simply highlighted its source.

Well, I really don't see Christianity as a source of problems, if that's what you mean.

It's more that we find it easy to forget all religion and focus on aggregating wealth and power - being human and all.

Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

.

Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

that is contradictory to your OP, you claim 4th century christianity are the majority and have something to offer us today ...

so whats held you back if you are not the root of the problem, being the majority - the problem being the fallacy of your religion and its history of oppression and indifference.

stop pleading a childish innocence that does not exist and rather change your agenda to something worth while for all humanity than just yourselves.

I think you are probably misinterpreting what I've said - and I'm sure my writing leaves ample room for that.

I'm not trying to argue whether there is/isn't a God or whether Christianity has something to offer today. Christians already have an answer to that.

What I'm saying is a challenge to Christianity - one made not just by me, by any means. It's made by Christian pastors all across our land.

My point is that given that we have a Christian majority, Christians should be going with that.

For just one example, we're embarking on a new administration, so we're getting ready to change our approach to the basic needs of humans (food, housing, health care, etc.).

How will these changes reflect our majority religion?

I'm not suggesting there is one simply answer to that. But, nobody can claim to be following a life of Christ while ignoring these questions.

And, in the end, if we ARE a Christian nation one should be able to look at our various policies and SEE that.

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And, in the end, if we ARE a Christian nation one should be able to look at our various policies and SEE that.

that is the point, and why "we" left Europe to start fresh as a free nation and for its time the most secular nation in world history.

where is your example of what you represent in American history, who has held you back ... someone like Abraham Lincoln, your hatred of President Obama - GOP leader's top goal: Make Obama 1-term president ... Senator MITCH McCONNELL -

christianities finest hour was their southern rebellion to destroy our nation the civil war ...


4th century chritianity has throughout its history been a blight against the Free Spirit of humanity, you are no different as exposed by your provocative appeal.

 

[WillReadmore]

Come on, folks.

Surely Christianity has something to offer us today.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

.

And, given that we're a Christian majority nation, this should be of SERIOUS interest.

your sincerity wains with your blatant provocation, and if true you have not solved a problem but simply highlighted its source.

Well, I really don't see Christianity as a source of problems, if that's what you mean.

It's more that we find it easy to forget all religion and focus on aggregating wealth and power - being human and all.

Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

.

Regardless of whether there is a God or whether Jesus was a human, we could do a whole lot worse than thinking about the message Jesus communicated concerning how we should approach life on earth.

that is contradictory to your OP, you claim 4th century christianity are the majority and have something to offer us today ...

so whats held you back if you are not the root of the problem, being the majority - the problem being the fallacy of your religion and its history of oppression and indifference.

stop pleading a childish innocence that does not exist and rather change your agenda to something worth while for all humanity than just yourselves.

I think you are probably misinterpreting what I've said - and I'm sure my writing leaves ample room for that.

I'm not trying to argue whether there is/isn't a God or whether Christianity has something to offer today. Christians already have an answer to that.

What I'm saying is a challenge to Christianity - one made not just by me, by any means. It's made by Christian pastors all across our land.

My point is that given that we have a Christian majority, Christians should be going with that.

For just one example, we're embarking on a new administration, so we're getting ready to change our approach to the basic needs of humans (food, housing, health care, etc.).

How will these changes reflect our majority religion?

I'm not suggesting there is one simply answer to that. But, nobody can claim to be following a life of Christ while ignoring these questions.

And, in the end, if we ARE a Christian nation one should be able to look at our various policies and SEE that.

.

And, in the end, if we ARE a Christian nation one should be able to look at our various policies and SEE that.

that is the point, and why "we" left Europe to start fresh as a free nation and for its time the most secular nation in world history.

where is your example of what you represent in American history, who has held you back ... someone like Abraham Lincoln, your hatred of President Obama - GOP leader's top goal: Make Obama 1-term president ... Senator MITCH McCONNELL -

christianities finest hour was their southern rebellion to destroy our nation the civil war ...


4th century chritianity has throughout its history been a blight against the Free Spirit of humanity, you are no different as exposed by your provocative appeal.

Well, I'm a member of the minority that isn't Christian.

But, I think my question is valid regardless of my minority status and regardless of the "sins" of America (and Christians??) since our inception. After all, Jesus WAS an incredible example, regardless of whether you think he was supernatural. So was Gandhi. So were others. We don't have to ignore them because of their USA visa status or whatever. And, picking things like same sex marriage or "choice" to see as central to the message of Jesus is obviously ridiculous.

So:
How the HECK did we end up being MORE actively Christian than other nations, yet being worse in distributing health care - and now demanding that we get EVEN WORSE at that?

Did they think that Jesus saw the Samaritan lying by the side of the road and told him that he should have made better use of health savings accounts???

How the heck did we move from the FACT that EVERY American wants fewer abortions to the notion that the way to do that is laws against women - not family planning, not education, not support for underage mothers and other single parents, etc., etc.?


And, the answer isn't found in $$$, either, as other nations spend LESS on health care than we do. And, other nations have FEWER abortions per capita than we do, while not having restrictive laws against women.

So, WTF???

How did American Christians get so totally F'd up?

Shouldn't it be possible that Christians could see very different methods toward shared objectives?

And, politically speaking, that would be YUGE!

 

[BreezeWood]

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So, it is worthwhile to look at how our religion affects the way we think about our various policies - our policy on issues such as trade, health care, defense, social problems, democracy, etc.

What should our Christian objectives be regarding the top issues of today - health care, racial equality, equality in democracy (vs., say, gerrymandering), etc.???

Well, I'm a member of the minority that isn't Christian.

has anyone suggested to you that you may have a split personality ...


have you ever thought 4th century christians should simply be held accountable for their history of repression and deceit if you are actually religious.

 

[WillReadmore]

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So, it is worthwhile to look at how our religion affects the way we think about our various policies - our policy on issues such as trade, health care, defense, social problems, democracy, etc.

What should our Christian objectives be regarding the top issues of today - health care, racial equality, equality in democracy (vs., say, gerrymandering), etc.???

Well, I'm a member of the minority that isn't Christian.

has anyone suggested to you that you may have a split personality ...


have you ever thought 4th century christians should simply be held accountable for their history of repression and deceit if you are actually religious.

We have statutes of limitation that are measured in a few short years - not centuries!!

But, more seriously, no I don't believe it makes sense to try to hold a religion responsible in any meaningful way.

All we have is the future. We can point to the past as evidence of failure or success of particular ideas and argument for direction. But, indicting Christianity for, say, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the drowning of America witches, etc. really doesn't help as far as I can tell. It just doesn't apply to questions of today, and nobody is suggesting those were acceptable ideas.


lol on the split personality! I may not be a Christian, but I am a citizen and I recognize the dominance of Christianity in America. Ignoring its influence isn't going to help me - or you!

 

[BreezeWood]

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So, it is worthwhile to look at how our religion affects the way we think about our various policies - our policy on issues such as trade, health care, defense, social problems, democracy, etc.

What should our Christian objectives be regarding the top issues of today - health care, racial equality, equality in democracy (vs., say, gerrymandering), etc.???

Well, I'm a member of the minority that isn't Christian.

has anyone suggested to you that you may have a split personality ...


have you ever thought 4th century christians should simply be held accountable for their history of repression and deceit if you are actually religious.

We have statutes of limitation that are measured in a few short years - not centuries!!

But, more seriously, no I don't believe it makes sense to try to hold a religion responsible in any meaningful way.

All we have is the future. We can point to the past as evidence of failure or success of particular ideas and argument for direction. But, indicting Christianity for, say, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the drowning of America witches, etc. really doesn't help as far as I can tell. It just doesn't apply to questions of today, and nobody is suggesting those were acceptable ideas.


lol on the split personality! I may not be a Christian, but I am a citizen and I recognize the dominance of Christianity in America. Ignoring its influence isn't going to help me - or you!

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But, indicting Christianity for, say, the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, the drowning of America witches, etc. really doesn't help as far as I can tell.

your rational approach is commendable, you will be well received ...


the Triumph of Good vs Evil does not diminish the victims of tyranny while the tyrants beacon ... bringing them to justice is the only solution to solving the problem. 4th century christianity is irredeemable.




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[Mudda]

What's not true about the US being at war for nearly its whole existence? (look it up)

The implication you are trying to make.

I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking stating it!

Not very well. By any objective measure we have been the least militaristic and the least imperialistic superpower in the history of man. Your problem is that you are a troll of the first order and have no conversational redeeming value whatsoever. After they ban you, you will be forgotten in one day.

Your problem is that I'm right, the US has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

I don't have a problem. I just put you in your place. There is nothing left but to take a bow.

You do have a problem with facts, which you reject at every turn. The US has been at war for nearly its whole existence, and I've even proven it.

 

[ding]

The implication you are trying to make.

I'm not implying anything, I'm fucking stating it!

Not very well. By any objective measure we have been the least militaristic and the least imperialistic superpower in the history of man. Your problem is that you are a troll of the first order and have no conversational redeeming value whatsoever. After they ban you, you will be forgotten in one day.

Your problem is that I'm right, the US has been at war for nearly its whole existence.

I don't have a problem. I just put you in your place. There is nothing left but to take a bow.

You do have a problem with facts, which you reject at every turn. The US has been at war for nearly its whole existence, and I've even proven it.

This is me bowing.

 

[WinterBorn]

Our nation is clearly a Christian majority nation.

So, it is worthwhile to look at how our religion affects the way we think about our various policies - our policy on issues such as trade, health care, defense, social problems, democracy, etc.

In fact we should be able to look at what we DO and see that we are Christian.

Of course, that's a high bar and we are humans, so we're certainly not going to be perfect. But, at the least we should think about what our religion demands of us regarding these national issues. And, today it seems that "make America great again" is being thought of as somewhat limited to financial gain.

So, what must our Christian position be regarding today's issues?

What should our Christian objectives be regarding the top issues of today - health care, racial equality, equality in democracy (vs., say, gerrymandering), etc.???

While we may be a Christian majority country, we are NOT a Christian nation. Our constitution was purposefully set up to make sure the majority could not abuse the minority.

And I don't think Christianity is much of an example for racial equality ect.

 

[WillReadmore]

Our nation is clearly a Christian majority nation.

So, it is worthwhile to look at how our religion affects the way we think about our various policies - our policy on issues such as trade, health care, defense, social problems, democracy, etc.

In fact we should be able to look at what we DO and see that we are Christian.

Of course, that's a high bar and we are humans, so we're certainly not going to be perfect. But, at the least we should think about what our religion demands of us regarding these national issues. And, today it seems that "make America great again" is being thought of as somewhat limited to financial gain.

So, what must our Christian position be regarding today's issues?

What should our Christian objectives be regarding the top issues of today - health care, racial equality, equality in democracy (vs., say, gerrymandering), etc.???

While we may be a Christian majority country, we are NOT a Christian nation. Our constitution was purposefully set up to make sure the majority could not abuse the minority.

And I don't think Christianity is much of an example for racial equality ect.

True, and true.

The challenge I'm bringing here is that as a Christian majority nation, we should be seeing Christian values in our decisions on issues like health care, HUD, foreign policy (such as how we treat people in other nations), how we think about employment and compensation, inclusion in democracy, etc.).

And, I believe we have a ways to go on that.

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[ding]

Our nation is clearly a Christian majority nation.

So, it is worthwhile to look at how our religion affects the way we think about our various policies - our policy on issues such as trade, health care, defense, social problems, democracy, etc.

In fact we should be able to look at what we DO and see that we are Christian.

Of course, that's a high bar and we are humans, so we're certainly not going to be perfect. But, at the least we should think about what our religion demands of us regarding these national issues. And, today it seems that "make America great again" is being thought of as somewhat limited to financial gain.

So, what must our Christian position be regarding today's issues?

What should our Christian objectives be regarding the top issues of today - health care, racial equality, equality in democracy (vs., say, gerrymandering), etc.???

A fair question. I have no doubt if we behaved as a Christian nation we wouldn't have the problems we do, but we don't behave like a Christian nation. If we ever started acting like one our problems might be resolved in short order. If you wish in one hand and shit in the other, which one do you think will fill up first? Not to worry though there is a law of compensation at work.