Whataburger says no to Open Carry; add them to your list gun nuts

[M14 Shooter]

Why's that? Are my chances of being murdered lower because I'm eating dinner in a public place? How about church? I also carry in church. Are my chances of being murdered in church any lower because well by golly, it's a church? As for being "responsible", yes I am. The state I live in and my law-enforcement agencies seem to think I'm a responsible person, seeing as how I can pass a criminal background check. I'm actually more trustworthy than you are. Have you passed a criminal background check lately?

Your argument doesn't hold water. I carry a weapon every time I leave the house and will continue to do so. And there's nothing you can do about it.

Why do you think you're in such danger that you need to carry a gun everywhere you go?

Because I sometimes carry large amounts of cash and my business requires that I travel to crime-infested cities which have for decades, been run by liberals. MYOB.

So, you're afraid of other guys who have guns...right?

Actually I'm more afraid of Socialists likeyourself who want to eliminate guns altogether, except for the government.

Isn't that how you start, Komrade KandyKorn?

Blah blah blah socialist, blah blah blah

Same song, different day.

Each year, what % of the guns in the US are involved in a murder?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So you're cure for gun violence is to train young aspiring rappers, dundu-nuffins, drug dealers, and gang-bangers in the proper use and care of firearms?

Are you a crackhead or something?

Not the cure is multi-pronged.

First drive up the costs to limit the supply and the number made. If something costs 3x what it costs now, fewer will be sold and fewer will be made. You do this by several means.

A "mayhem tax" for one thing.
Another is to force gun owners to carry an insurance policy to help pay for the inordinate amount of damage guns do. Currently, if you kill my kid, I am stuck with the bill for care and/or burial. It's time to recoup some of that costs through insurance.

Secondly, any crime committed where a gun is presented by the offender (it doesn't have to be fired) gets a mandatory minimum of 10 years in federal prison. No time off, no parole. The next time, you're gonzo for lifeo.

Thirdly, I wouldn't be opposed to forcing gun owners to take a proficiency test in cleaning and use of the weapon on the device they own.

The first move would eventually dry up the supply. The second move would limit the criminal element. The third move would make gun owners better gun owners.

Start your *****-fest NOW!

Each year, what % of the guns in the US are involved in a murder?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I suggest SP visit Maine or one of the other states which liberally interpret the Second.

I suggest people ignore these idiots. Bear your responsibilities and do not allow the simpletons and the effeminate to sway you from what you know is right.

Remember, they're evil and as such their purpose is to promote chaos, calamity and catastrophe.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So why does open carry frighten you so much?

Again, I didn't say that exactly. What I was referencing was these groups of people that are walking around with assault weapons

Here is a story about them.
Target respectfully asks customers not to bring guns to its stores Daily Mail Online
A gun slung over their backs right next to a kid who could easily pull the trigger.

I'm sure it's perfectly safe; after all if he starts pulling the trigger, other gun toting people are there to take him out.

Why do you assume every time you see someone with a gun, that you are in danger? Have you a history of being fired upon, or witnessed something else that has brought you an irrational fear of guns?

-Geaux

So why does open carry frighten you so much?

Again, I didn't say that exactly. What I was referencing was these groups of people that are walking around with assault weapons

Here is a story about them.
Target respectfully asks customers not to bring guns to its stores Daily Mail Online
A gun slung over their backs right next to a kid who could easily pull the trigger.

I'm sure it's perfectly safe; after all if he starts pulling the trigger, other gun toting people are there to take him out.

And I'm perfectly sure, unless the kid knows how to take the safety off, pulling the trigger won't do much.

Of course you are.

Or not....

Toddler reaches into purse and gun goes off killing mom

Now you're flipping from rifles to handguns.

Some handguns don't have safeties.

The rifles you've been referring to do.

BTW, the toddler accidently shooting mommy?

how often you figure that happens?

or is once too many for you?

I'm sure once was too many for the family....but I guess that's the price we pay for keeping a 240 year old law on the books...a motherless child, a wifeless husband, a daughterless mother.

Since we have 30 zillion guns in our society, one really has to wonder why she was carrying it to start with right? Obviously since guns make society safer and we have multiple guns for every man, woman, child and microbe in the nation, nobody should have to carry one....

Oh wait; guns make us less safe (hence why she was carrying).

Each year, what % of the guns in the US are involved in a murder?

 

[Fishlore]

Republican Gov. Paul LePage signed a bill on Wednesday that will make Maine one of a handful of states where residents are free to carry a hidden firearm without a permit. Maine will join five states, including Kansas and Vermont, with such a policy, according to the National Rifle Association. It’s also allowed in Arkansas and Montana, but not everywhere in the state, an NRA spokesman said. New Hampshire’s Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan vetoed a similar bill on Monday and it isn’t expected to have enough support in the Legislature to go into law over her objections.

What is wrong with Maggie Hassan? Concealed carry without a license might be just the thing to put some pizzaz in our First in the Nation Primary. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Brandishing?
THIS is brandishing.
brandishing a weapon - Yahoo Image Search Results
The people in your picture are CARRYING.

Split hair much?

Words mean things

A rifle slung barrel down across someone's back is not being brandished

I agree, it does not meet the legal definition of brandishing. Yet, it is not normal for someone in the US or most other civilized regions of the world to enter a business with a rifle slung barrel down across their back or a hand gun holstered on their hip. Most business owners and customers will naturally wonder what motivated someone to act in such a queer manner.

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

 

[Auld Phart]

NH, you can carry open with no problem.

If it's concealed, even by your shirttail, you need a permit

Republican Gov. Paul LePage signed a bill on Wednesday that will make Maine one of a handful of states where residents are free to carry a hidden firearm without a permit. Maine will join five states, including Kansas and Vermont, with such a policy, according to the National Rifle Association. It’s also allowed in Arkansas and Montana, but not everywhere in the state, an NRA spokesman said. New Hampshire’s Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan vetoed a similar bill on Monday and it isn’t expected to have enough support in the Legislature to go into law over her objections.

What is wrong with Maggie Hassan? Concealed carry without a license might be just the thing to put some pizzaz in our First in the Nation Primary. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

The only difference would be, you wouldn't see the guns that are now being carried in plain sight.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Brandishing?
THIS is brandishing.
brandishing a weapon - Yahoo Image Search Results
The people in your picture are CARRYING.

Split hair much?

Words mean things

A rifle slung barrel down across someone's back is not being brandished

I agree, it does not meet the legal definition of brandishing. Yet, it is not normal for someone in the US or most other civilized regions of the world to enter a business with a rifle slung barrel down across their back or a hand gun holstered on their hip. Most business owners and customers will naturally wonder what motivated someone to act in such a queer manner.

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

"Thus you fully support the Supreme Court's decisions on SSM and abortion. BTW, thinking it's queer to do an act has no effect on "people's rights" to act stupidly.

 

[M14 Shooter]

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

"Thus you fully support the Supreme Court's decisions on SSM and abortion.

Non sequitur logic - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Wry Catcher]

Brandishing?
THIS is brandishing.
brandishing a weapon - Yahoo Image Search Results
The people in your picture are CARRYING.

Split hair much?

Words mean things

A rifle slung barrel down across someone's back is not being brandished

I agree, it does not meet the legal definition of brandishing. Yet, it is not normal for someone in the US or most other civilized regions of the world to enter a business with a rifle slung barrel down across their back or a hand gun holstered on their hip. Most business owners and customers will naturally wonder what motivated someone to act in such a queer manner.

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

"Thus you fully support the Supreme Court's decisions on SSM and abortion.

Cool,

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

"Thus you fully support the Supreme Court's decisions on SSM and abortion.

Non sequitur logic - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

My comment follows logically, that you can't comprehend a simple comparison is pitiful. Though I won't waste pity on jerks like you.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Split hair much?

Words mean things

A rifle slung barrel down across someone's back is not being brandished

I agree, it does not meet the legal definition of brandishing. Yet, it is not normal for someone in the US or most other civilized regions of the world to enter a business with a rifle slung barrel down across their back or a hand gun holstered on their hip. Most business owners and customers will naturally wonder what motivated someone to act in such a queer manner.

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

"Thus you fully support the Supreme Court's decisions on SSM and abortion.

Cool,

People's rights are not limited by what you think to be normal.

"Thus you fully support the Supreme Court's decisions on SSM and abortion.

Non sequitur logic - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

My comment follows logically,

This you cannot show; this you fully understand.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oh, okay. I'm sure that makes a big difference when the kid pulls the trigger while she's ordering a pretzel and the bullet takes off your toe.

Huge difference.

So why the fear of so called assault rifles?

All rifles are deadly and to be respected and used responsibly but a so called assault rifle is nothing but a cosmetic distinction

And yes any weapon can be open carried in a responsible manner

If true, why would anyone openly carry a weapon in public, and in doing so is that responsible? Why would anyone openly carry an unloaded gun, that is insane.

CA Codes pen 26350

Of course loaded guns can be open carried responsibly and have been for as long as there have been firearms.

I personally would rather carry concealed but I can see the pros of wearing a handgun in a hip or thigh holster

Loaded guns cannot legally be carried in CA under the terms of PC 26350. I can't speak to laws in other states. Also, a peace officer can lawfully examine a weapon to determine if it is in fact loaded, and search the holder of the weapon to determine if the person has ammunition capable of being loaded into said firearm and discharged by said firearm. If such ammunition is in the persons possession the weapon is deemed loaded.

From PC26350:

" (2) A violation of subparagraph (A) of paragraph (1) of
subdivision (a) is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not
exceeding one year, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars
($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment, if both of the
following conditions exist:
(A) The handgun and unexpended ammunition capable of being
discharged from that handgun are in the immediate possession of that
person.
(B) The person is not in lawful possession of that handgun."

I suggest SP visit Maine or one of the other states which liberally interpret the Second.

I go to Maine all the time so what's your point?

 

[Skull Pilot]

NH, you can carry open with no problem.

If it's concealed, even by your shirttail, you need a permit

Republican Gov. Paul LePage signed a bill on Wednesday that will make Maine one of a handful of states where residents are free to carry a hidden firearm without a permit. Maine will join five states, including Kansas and Vermont, with such a policy, according to the National Rifle Association. It’s also allowed in Arkansas and Montana, but not everywhere in the state, an NRA spokesman said. New Hampshire’s Democratic Gov. Maggie Hassan vetoed a similar bill on Monday and it isn’t expected to have enough support in the Legislature to go into law over her objections.

What is wrong with Maggie Hassan? Concealed carry without a license might be just the thing to put some pizzaz in our First in the Nation Primary. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

The only difference would be, you wouldn't see the guns that are now being carried in plain sight.

In my state concealed carry means there can be absolutely no visible sign you are carrying a firearm. no bulge under a coat, no outline of a weapon under a shirt etc

If you wear a waistband holster you better make sure your shirt or jacket always covers it completely

 

[Dot Com]

how many gun nuts we have now besides M14Shooter?

Asks the anti-gun loon, capable only of arguing from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

I own two guns shit stain M14 Shooter . I'm just not a mouth-breathing, single-issue, NRA tool like you

Kid, give up: nobody believes that line of bullshit.

I also served. Quelle surprise kiddo!!! Jarlaxle

 

[BULLDOG]

Sorry, I keep forgetting. Shooters have rights, not the people sitting in a movie theater or a church and certainly not the second graders leaving school in body bags.
This is the part where you`ll tell me that more people should carry guns and there will be less shootings. Don`t bother.

Why are you lumping in law abiding citizens with crazy criminals? Do you need someone to point out the difference?

Going only by the people I know personally. The only ones wanting to open carry are people trying to prove their masculinity. They hope someone will question their choice so they will have an opportunity to loudly give their practiced speech about how they are patriots trying to take back the country. In other words.......fruitcakes. I suspect it is the same with most of the goobers.

I agree that some people open carry to get a reaction. I don't open carry but if I wanted to I would and if someone confronted me about it I would ignore them and walk away. If they persisted I would call 911 to send a cop. That would end that little matter.

Open carry wouldn't be as big a problem if that was the expected behavior from most. We both know it is not. Many are hoping for an opportunity to shoot someone, and you can't deny that.

Please post the credentials that enable you to determine this. Said credentials should include-but not be limited to-the school where you got your degree in psychology, your GPA and year of graduation, and the state(s) where you are licensed to practice.

Don't be silly. You know a gun nut with a Rambo complex is a lot scarier than any reasonable gun owner.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why are you lumping in law abiding citizens with crazy criminals? Do you need someone to point out the difference?

Going only by the people I know personally. The only ones wanting to open carry are people trying to prove their masculinity. They hope someone will question their choice so they will have an opportunity to loudly give their practiced speech about how they are patriots trying to take back the country. In other words.......fruitcakes. I suspect it is the same with most of the goobers.

I agree that some people open carry to get a reaction. I don't open carry but if I wanted to I would and if someone confronted me about it I would ignore them and walk away. If they persisted I would call 911 to send a cop. That would end that little matter.

Open carry wouldn't be as big a problem if that was the expected behavior from most. We both know it is not. Many are hoping for an opportunity to shoot someone, and you can't deny that.

Please post the credentials that enable you to determine this. Said credentials should include-but not be limited to-the school where you got your degree in psychology, your GPA and year of graduation, and the state(s) where you are licensed to practice.

Don't be silly. You know a gun nut with a Rambo complex is a lot scarier than any reasonable gun owner.

And an anti-gun loon, such as yourself, is far more emotonal, ignorant and/or dishonest than the usual mindless liberal..

 

[BULLDOG]

Going only by the people I know personally. The only ones wanting to open carry are people trying to prove their masculinity. They hope someone will question their choice so they will have an opportunity to loudly give their practiced speech about how they are patriots trying to take back the country. In other words.......fruitcakes. I suspect it is the same with most of the goobers.

I agree that some people open carry to get a reaction. I don't open carry but if I wanted to I would and if someone confronted me about it I would ignore them and walk away. If they persisted I would call 911 to send a cop. That would end that little matter.

Open carry wouldn't be as big a problem if that was the expected behavior from most. We both know it is not. Many are hoping for an opportunity to shoot someone, and you can't deny that.

Please post the credentials that enable you to determine this. Said credentials should include-but not be limited to-the school where you got your degree in psychology, your GPA and year of graduation, and the state(s) where you are licensed to practice.

Don't be silly. You know a gun nut with a Rambo complex is a lot scarier than any reasonable gun owner.

And an anti-gun loon, such as yourself, is far more emotonal, ignorant and/or dishonest than the usual mindless liberal..

Shut up dummy. I probably have as many or more guns than you have.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Shut up dummy.

Congrats on your promotion to 2nd grade!

 

[Wry Catcher]

So why the fear of so called assault rifles?

All rifles are deadly and to be respected and used responsibly but a so called assault rifle is nothing but a cosmetic distinction

And yes any weapon can be open carried in a responsible manner

If true, why would anyone openly carry a weapon in public, and in doing so is that responsible? Why would anyone openly carry an unloaded gun, that is insane.

CA Codes pen 26350

Of course loaded guns can be open carried responsibly and have been for as long as there have been firearms.

I personally would rather carry concealed but I can see the pros of wearing a handgun in a hip or thigh holster

Loaded guns cannot legally be carried in CA under the terms of PC 26350. I can't speak to laws in other states. Also, a peace officer can lawfully examine a weapon to determine if it is in fact loaded, and search the holder of the weapon to determine if the person has ammunition capable of being loaded into said firearm and discharged by said firearm. If such ammunition is in the persons possession the weapon is deemed loaded.

From PC26350:

" (2) A violation of subparagraph (A) of paragraph (1) of
subdivision (a) is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not
exceeding one year, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars
($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment, if both of the
following conditions exist:
(A) The handgun and unexpended ammunition capable of being
discharged from that handgun are in the immediate possession of that
person.
(B) The person is not in lawful possession of that handgun."

I suggest SP visit Maine or one of the other states which liberally interpret the Second.

I go to Maine all the time so what's your point?

Cool, goody goody for you. My point was obvious, that you didn't understand is not unexpected.

 

[candycorn]

No.

If a guy came in shouting profanity at the top of his lungs or insulting customers or reeking of urine, he can be asked to leave. Just like someone carrying guns.

If the crazy guy is breaking the law, you bet. Call the cops and let them interpret.

If the guy carrying a gun is not breaking the law and just standing in line to order, that is clearly quite different.

Very different.

.

Those guys were not breaking the law. You can use profanity, insult people and smell of urine.

I don't know what any given city's laws state. If the cops show up and can remove him based on some law, great. Buh-bye to that guy.

But I do know that if a business owner called the cops on a guy with a visible gun standing in line to order, they'd show up, ask him for his license or whatever, and the business owner would be told there are no laws being broken. The gun owner would then be in the same legal position as two guys ordering a cake.

And that's that.

.

Its not a matter of breaking the law or not. Its a matter of it being obviously bad for business since guns are dangerous and it's not what the law calls reasonable assumption of risk to expect to encounter loaded weapons when you go to Whataburger.

Think on this for a moment. If you "encounter loaded weapons", how have you been harmed? If the carrier was inclined to shoot random people, the establishments' reaction to him bringing a weapon is moot. If he/she is NOT, however, so inclined, simply being in the same room with the weapon poses no threat.

And very few people die bungee jumping or in those shark cages we see on Shark Week. Very few moms will sign off of their kid doing either regardless of the statistics. You simply avoid the areas where you have guns and the fanatics who think they need to bring their arsenal to Wendy's and you tend to live longer.

Remember that gunfight at Twin Peaks out in Waco.... Does that happen if guns were not involved? No. Regardless, if you value the company of those you're rolling with, you are not going to go back there due to the owner being happy that bikers are using it for target practice.