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I was a Republican going back to Goldwater and I even voted for W. Bush. But when I saw what he was about I left the Party in 2003, realizing that it no longer stood for the same things. The only reason I joined the Democratic Party is there is no Independent Party in New Jersey and I want to vote in primaries.I can tell you what it did take. George HW Bush. I left the Republican party in 1992 when he ran for re-election and was again nominated by the Republican Socialist Lite party. The Tea Party may bring me back, but that is still TBD.
Yes. I think people who think they are superior to others, especially on something as baseless as union membership are elitists.
Stop pretending your superior to the "little people" and you wont have to worry about it.
Be humble and not arrogant for once in your life.
I am not the one who initially put forth the idea that union members are the elite.
Noose. Ive made it clear why i think you are an elitist. You think union membership makes you better than 88% of the workers of this nation. That is by definition an elitist mentality.
Do you think that union workers are better than nonunion workers? Yes or no.
You think union ditch diggers are elite and you call somebody else a moron? My god where do these imbeciles come from?
That is a complete mis-characterization of what he said. He said that those who think themselves better than others are elitists and quite frankly, that is my understanding of the definition of the word. He did not say they were elite, but that they were elitists.
I have said many times that John Kerry is an elitist. That means he thinks he is better than every one else. That does not mean I think he is better than everyone else. If I did think that I would say he was elite not an elitist meaning that I thought John Kerry was actually in a class above the rest of us rather than just that he thought he was in that class.
You have unintentionally, in my opinion, switched the wording and thus the meaning of what Avatar was trying to say.
Immie
These are his words:
Unions are less than 15% of the worker. Why are you against the real workers of this nation so much that you support the elites?
How is that not calling unionized workers the elite?
I am not the one who initially put forth the idea that union members are the elite.
Noose. Ive made it clear why i think you are an elitist. You think union membership makes you better than 88% of the workers of this nation. That is by definition an elitist mentality.
Do you think that union workers are better than nonunion workers? Yes or no.
I think we union workers receive better pay and benefits and that non union workers should not try to tear down what we have because of what multi millionaire rabble rousers say on the radio but that they should work towards increasing their own pay and benefits. I want all U.S. workers to do well, I do not want to take away the things others have fought for.
Since there is a much smaller segment of the population that gets much more than even union workers do that segment would be the elites not union workers.
It is all about context. When you are talking about the 85% of us who are not Union workers. Clearly Union Workers are the Elite among us.
This Debate is one of the Key Reasons I left the Democrat Party. Because they claim to be for the working man, but in actuality they are for the Union Working man. Fuck the rest of us. In fact in many cases they want the rest of us, to pay for the Union workers contracts, oh and shut up about it too.
If you were ever a Democrat you would actually know the name of the party.
Noose. Ive made it clear why i think you are an elitist. You think union membership makes you better than 88% of the workers of this nation. That is by definition an elitist mentality.
Do you think that union workers are better than nonunion workers? Yes or no.
I think we union workers receive better pay and benefits and that non union workers should not try to tear down what we have because of what multi millionaire rabble rousers say on the radio but that they should work towards increasing their own pay and benefits. I want all U.S. workers to do well, I do not want to take away the things others have fought for.
Do you want tax dollars from non-union employees used in order to help union employees?
Oh geez, I thought I heard derailing on my way back to my desk lol
But anyways to derail in my own way...........
Immie I'm pro-choice and I think we can find common ground on the issue even with you being pro-life.
My favorite, and frankly the only politician I actually like, Ron Paul is hardcore pro-life and I agree with his views. Make it a state issue, make it so states can determine whether or not they want to be pro-life or pro-choice.
It is all about context. When you are talking about the 85% of us who are not Union workers. Clearly Union Workers are the Elite among us.
This Debate is one of the Key Reasons I left the Democrat Party. Because they claim to be for the working man, but in actuality they are for the Union Working man. Fuck the rest of us. In fact in many cases they want the rest of us, to pay for the Union workers contracts, oh and shut up about it too.
If you were ever a Democrat you would actually know the name of the party.
So know you claim to know who I used to vote for as well?
Typical.
I assure you I was a Democrat and voted Democrat up though Clinton second Term.
As it became more and more clear to me that the Democrat party was now the party of the Far left. I moved away from them. I tried supporting the Republican Party for a short time, and now I support neither.
But go ahead and think you know all about me and what I believe if you want.
Oh geez, I thought I heard derailing on my way back to my desk lol
But anyways to derail in my own way...........
Immie I'm pro-choice and I think we can find common ground on the issue even with you being pro-life.
My favorite, and frankly the only politician I actually like, Ron Paul is hardcore pro-life and I agree with his views. Make it a state issue, make it so states can determine whether or not they want to be pro-life or pro-choice.
I know we can find common ground... if only the politicians would let us.
Immie
If you were a Democrat how come you dont even know the party's name?
In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.
My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.
How about you?
How did those labor laws come about?
Irrelevant whether you believe unions were behind that to whatever extent...
The landscape has changed... and unions, with the way labor laws and business laws are today, are not needed or even necessary...
I personally have turned down jobs along the course of my career to keep away from union influence, union corruption, and union rules (and staying away from being forced to be in a union if I wanted a specific position)... instead, relying on my own choices, work ethic, skills, reputation, efforts, etc.... and very happy I did so
I have to disagree with you in regards to the highlighted part of this quote.
Take away the checks and balances of the unions and you will find that corporate greed (and the lobbyists dollar) will erode the protections that the unions won oh those many years ago.
Immie
What would it take for you to abandon your political party?
OK has some of the most restrictive ballot access laws in the nation.In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.
My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.
How about you?
Well, here in Oklahoma, the two parties pretty much have things locked up. We have Dem and Rep primaries. If you want to vote in a primary, you must be a member of one of those parties to vote in their specific primary. Other parties can get on the election ballot, but they don't stand a chance.....
I threw Poppy overboard in '92, yet was still gullible enough to believe the phony "revolutionaries" in '94.George HW Bush.
That's what it took. When that fool was nominated in 88' I switched my registration to Libertarian and haven't voted for the GOP in a presidential election since.
If you were ever a Democrat you would actually know the name of the party.
So know you claim to know who I used to vote for as well?
Typical.
I assure you I was a Democrat and voted Democrat up though Clinton second Term.
As it became more and more clear to me that the Democrat party was now the party of the Far left. I moved away from them. I tried supporting the Republican Party for a short time, and now I support neither.
But go ahead and think you know all about me and what I believe if you want.
If you were a Democrat how come you dont even know the party's name?
OK has some of the most restrictive ballot access laws in the nation.In other words what are the biggest issue(s) for you, that if your party went against your view you would draw the line and say no more, I'm out.
My dad is a hardcore republican, my grandpa was, so I pretty much automatically was born into it. I voted straight ticket republican when I was 18, my biggest principle is fiscal conservatism. They showed me from 2001-2007 that that was no longer a principle of the party so I was out. I'm now a libertarian-leaning independent.
How about you?
Well, here in Oklahoma, the two parties pretty much have things locked up. We have Dem and Rep primaries. If you want to vote in a primary, you must be a member of one of those parties to vote in their specific primary. Other parties can get on the election ballot, but they don't stand a chance.....
If you were a Democrat how come you dont even know the party's name?
If your position is correct, why the red herring?
So know you claim to know who I used to vote for as well?
Typical.
I assure you I was a Democrat and voted Democrat up though Clinton second Term.
As it became more and more clear to me that the Democrat party was now the party of the Far left. I moved away from them. I tried supporting the Republican Party for a short time, and now I support neither.
But go ahead and think you know all about me and what I believe if you want.
If you were a Democrat how come you dont even know the party's name?
What the hell are you even talking about?
Democrat party is not right in your world?
