What would happen to the economy if minimum wages are raised?

it is why i am advocating lowering the cost of government through simplification. we could be improving our standard of living at the same time.
You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.
You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.
And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.
that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.
Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
 
You ultimately will explode the cost of government when enough people stop working and start taking from others. We're already $20 trillion in debt and can't afford any more takers. Increasing government efficiency and reducing waste won't even close the Obama deficit, much less fund massive new spending. We have to CUT spending to get back in balance before we can even think about anything new.
You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.
And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.
that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.
Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
 
You don't know what you are talking about. A positive multiplier is better than lowering taxes.
And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.
that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.
Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
 
And again you wander afield. I didn't talk about lowering taxes, did I? No, I was talking about the tipping point when there are too many takers to too few producers, the point you strive to avoid at all costs, and the point at which socialism fails.
that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.
Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
Show the numbers. What percentage of working people will choose not to work if they are guaranteed an income? You seem to think that you can have it all, you won't have to work and you'll get a guaranteed income you can use to buy legal pot while you live in Mom's basement. It doesn't work that way.
 
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.

especially since trying to do so would cripple millions more and encourage them not to work and to leech off others, but they would become very dependent Democratic voters.
 
that doesn't happen under capitalism. it about simplifying government to lower taxes and improve the efficiency of our economy.
Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
Show the numbers. What percentage of working people will choose not to work if they are guaranteed an income? You seem to think that you can have it all, you won't have to work and you'll get a guaranteed income you can use to buy legal pot while you live in Mom's basement. It doesn't work that way.
Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right, never gets it. How many people are going to want to stay poor, on an at-will basis? That is the question the right needs to address. Only the Religious, are that moral, to do it for "free".
 
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.

especially since trying to do so would cripple millions more and encourage them not to work and to leech off others, but they would become very dependent Democratic voters.
Only if Capitalism is nothing but a fraud, and doesn't work as advertised. It is a minimum wage or unemployment compensation that we are discussing, not million dollar bonuses.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
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What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.

This is delusional. Prices and wages aren't determined by government. When we try to use regulations to dictate prices and wages, the market just flows around them and rebalances to adjust. The reason some jobs don't pay a 'living wage' is because WE - you and I - don't value them very much. That can't be changed by mandate.
 
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Now you're talking about Capitalism again. Why is it that you're so strenuously avoiding the reality that the economy simply can't sustain what you want, which is a guaranteed income provided to those who do not work by those that do?
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
Show the numbers. What percentage of working people will choose not to work if they are guaranteed an income? You seem to think that you can have it all, you won't have to work and you'll get a guaranteed income you can use to buy legal pot while you live in Mom's basement. It doesn't work that way.
Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right, never gets it. How many people are going to want to stay poor, on an at-will basis? That is the question the right needs to address. Only the Religious, are that moral, to do it for "free".
You are one who does not want to work a job. Do you think you are atypical and that there are only a few like you?
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.
There isn't enough "at the top" to pay everyone a high wage.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.
that increase in spending will increase demand, in the long run.
 
In case you missed it; capitalism died in 1929, and Socialism has been bailing it out, ever since. The economic reality is, we can ensure full employment of resources and equal protection of the law, at the same time.
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
Show the numbers. What percentage of working people will choose not to work if they are guaranteed an income? You seem to think that you can have it all, you won't have to work and you'll get a guaranteed income you can use to buy legal pot while you live in Mom's basement. It doesn't work that way.
Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right, never gets it. How many people are going to want to stay poor, on an at-will basis? That is the question the right needs to address. Only the Religious, are that moral, to do it for "free".
You are one who does not want to work a job. Do you think you are atypical and that there are only a few like you?
all talk and no action; why not get national and social, on capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment and abolish it, if you want to require a work ethic.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.
There isn't enough "at the top" to pay everyone a high wage.
yes, there is.
 
We cannot afford to give everyone a guaranteed income if they will not work, bottom line.
Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
Show the numbers. What percentage of working people will choose not to work if they are guaranteed an income? You seem to think that you can have it all, you won't have to work and you'll get a guaranteed income you can use to buy legal pot while you live in Mom's basement. It doesn't work that way.
Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right, never gets it. How many people are going to want to stay poor, on an at-will basis? That is the question the right needs to address. Only the Religious, are that moral, to do it for "free".
You are one who does not want to work a job. Do you think you are atypical and that there are only a few like you?
all talk and no action; why not get national and social, on capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment and abolish it, if you want to require a work ethic.
Requiring a work ethic is easy. Simply provide no assistance unless you literally cannot work.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.
There isn't enough "at the top" to pay everyone a high wage.
yes, there is.
Numbers, provide numbers. Then take into account that inflation will erase any gains in a matter of a few years.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.

This is delusional. Prices and wages aren't determined by government. When we try to use regulations to dictate prices and wages, the market just flows around them and rebalances to adjust. The reason some jobs don't pay a 'living wage' is because WE - you and I - don't value them very much. That can't be changed by mandate.
Yes, they are. It is just right wing fantasy that government rules and regulations, don't add cost and value to any First World.
 
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Yes, we can; why do you believe we can't? Our drug war is more expensive.
Show the numbers. What percentage of working people will choose not to work if they are guaranteed an income? You seem to think that you can have it all, you won't have to work and you'll get a guaranteed income you can use to buy legal pot while you live in Mom's basement. It doesn't work that way.
Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism. Only the right, never gets it. How many people are going to want to stay poor, on an at-will basis? That is the question the right needs to address. Only the Religious, are that moral, to do it for "free".
You are one who does not want to work a job. Do you think you are atypical and that there are only a few like you?
all talk and no action; why not get national and social, on capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment and abolish it, if you want to require a work ethic.
Requiring a work ethic is easy. Simply provide no assistance unless you literally cannot work.
How does that solve for capitalism's, not my, natural rate of unemployment? increasing anarchy is no solution; that is why we follow the Orders of our Founding Fathers, in their Ordination and Establishment of our form of Government.
 
Workers push for minimum wage to be raised (ethical or unethical)?
minimum_wage_onpage.jpg

What would happen if the government and employers cooperate to boost the minimum wage to say, a very high figure. What would happen to the economy in the short and long run

You are paid due to your skill and what the market will bear. Artificially increasing wages will raise the price of the product you produce. This will bankrupt the company you work for and then you are in the unemployment line again.

Not if everyone made 15 bucks minimum wage, take from the top and spread it around. They will have no choice. Time to create a smaller class divide.
There isn't enough "at the top" to pay everyone a high wage.
yes, there is.
Numbers, provide numbers. Then take into account that inflation will erase any gains in a matter of a few years.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages, not minimum wages; he realized gains from efficiency since he could not print his own money.
 

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