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Not to be redundant, and not that this hasn't been posted time after time on the messageboard.
It just seems that the liberals willfully ignore the facts, but here it is for you once again.
Trump wanted to get out the proper way with putting stipulations on the Taliban, removing citizens. equipment,
and then the troops. Biden on the otherhand......and the world was watching the clusterfuck go down.
13 dead is not a small price, but ..... it cudda been worse. All this crap about "loss of prestige" is just crap. Afghan stopped being about hunting terrorists a long time ago.At what price did Biden get it done?
before or after he was told he couldn't have a photo op with them at Camp David breaking bread?What a Difference - Watch How Donald Trump Dealt With the Taliban
Trump conversation with Taliban leaders prior to withdrawal: “I will hold you responsible if any of the red lines were broken during our withdrawal.” Trump reminded of the Democrat favorite, Suleiman. Biden was the voice against killing Bin Laden. Point made. Fear and respect for Trump.
before or after he was told he couldn't have a photo op with them at Camp David breaking bread?
The people of Iraq undoubedly prefer the government of Iraq in 2021. The Iraq invasion was an act of goodness.I saw this in politco this morning - interviews with W admin and others - as to what we got right and wrong.
Seventeen prominent players reflect on the decades of war they helped wage and the domestic defenses they helped erect.www.politico.com
And don't get me wrong, imo Trump was and is unsuited for the office, but that doesn't mean he was wrong about or for policy, he was more right than the three before him. And he was right about other stuff too, but thats's OT. That's no diss, btw, a lot of people have good ideas, but lack the temperament. Goldwater, Mitt Romney's dad, Jeanne Kilpatrick .... Pat Buchanan.
We never should have invaded Iraq over 9-11 because Iraq had nothing to do with it, nor did Iran for that matter. When Trump was president we were STILL fighting the spawn of the Sunni losers in Iraq who were ISIS in Syria. W actually made the 9-11 situation worse in creating more terrorists (its better to fight em there than here. LOL. How about not creating them to have fight them in the first place.) Trump wanted an end to that crap.
Trump also somehow knew, deep down, that Nato is lost. It's purpose was to defeat the Soviets. Like all institutions it seeks to live on in perpetuity. Reagan was certainly right in noting that whenever govt creates something, it's pretty impossible to shut it down. We still have the Tenn Valley Authority for god's sake.
The EU through Nato became embroiled in Afghan. W started out by starving that war for his Iraq misadventure. W plainly said we'd be in Afghan for a LONG time to nation build. the US has NEVER succeeded in that. Western europe rebuilt itself with US help after WWII, but they built their own societies, and they were democratically inclined anyway. Even the Soviets had "elections." Outside of Egypt, which was run by the Brit Empire (which was actually GOOD at nationbuilding) there aren't many democracies over there, and both Egypt and Iraq don't function as multi-ethincic/religious republics)
We shudda pulled the plug on Afgan when Obama was potus. I've wondered why he stayed. It was for nation building and the women, no doubt. And Biden was inconsistent back then. But would Obama have stayed if the EU and Nato were not so heavily invested with military and money? I don't know. It's odd that he pulled the plug on Iraq immediately, but lingered for 8 years in Afghan. And he's a muslim(-:
Trump knew we had to get out of there. He also knew Nato doesn't really serve a purpose. And in the end, it may be like all the European Alliances that led to WWI. It should have just been a regional conflict with Serbia and Austria.
I'm ashamed of the way your dementia ridden puppet got the US out.We had some soldiers die. True. We'd have soldiers die if we stayed too.
Are you ashamed that your blob couldn't get it done?
I'm sure you're more upset than ashamed. Upset that Joe did something your blob couldn't do.I'm ashamed of the way your dementia ridden puppet got the US out.
Why didn't your blob do it the "right way"?There is a right way and a wrong way, he fucked up bigly and the world watched.
Again...why didn't your blob get us out?He did do something.
Ashamed? No. He should have handled it better. He fucked up the withdraw. See...when you're not in a cult...you can actually criticize the person you voted for. You should try it.Are you ashamed of the dementia ridden puppet with the way he handled the exit?
Trump drew down the military presence to 2,500 from where your messiah has escalated the region.Again...why didn't your blob get us out?
Ashamed? No. He should have handled it better. He fucked up the withdraw. See...when you're not in a cult...you can actually criticize the person you voted for. You should try it.
Now...tell us why your blob couldn't do in 4 years what Joe did in 6 months?
Eh, all the Americans will get out. 13 dead, not to dismiss their sacrafice.He did do something.
Are you ashamed of the dementia ridden puppet with the way he handled the exit?
Trump drew down the military presence to 2,500 from where your messiah has escalated the region.
Not one US death in 18 months. Negotiated a stipulated timeline which needed to be met.
You dementia ridden puppet gets in and created a clusterfuck. You should be ashamed of your tribe.
You asked and I answered. You want to ignore it, by all means, that is your God given right.And when he was voted out of office and got his ass kicked in a landslide loss; the troops were still there.
Again...why couldn't your blob do in 4 years what Joe did in 6 months? Answer the question sonny.