What the Palestinians and Arabs Think of Kerry's New Ideas

[Phoenall]

No. Israel occupies Gaza.

Don't talk such crap, Israel has not occupied gaza since august 2005. What you call occupation is Israel abiding by International law and stopping the influx of enemy agents into Israel. You should try looking at the International law regarding national borders and what steps a country can take to protect them. But no doubt you believe that the US is occupying Canada and Mexico because it does the same things Israel does to protect its borders.

Now if you think Israel occupies gaza then Egypt must also occupy gaza because it also has a blockade on gaza.

Everyone in the world, except the liars in Israel, says that Israel still occupies Gaza.

Strange then that the UN says that Israel doesn't occupy gaza. And the only people who do say they do happen to be muslims, NAZIS and JEW HATERS

 

[Phoenall]

Could that be down to the Israeli government spending time and effort in protecting its citizens from harm. Look at the areas that those fatalities were in and you see civilian areas near to schools and kindergartens, not military instalations.

If Israel wanted to protect its citizens, it would end the occupation and blockade and stop making the Pals life a living hell.


No occupation and the blockade is legal so why do Israel still have to protect its civilians

In actual fact Jordan murdered more Palestinians in one month that Israel has killed in defending its sovereignty and right to exist in 65 years

That's bullshit! And an occupational force cannot claim self-defense.

Israel's sovereignty is not the issue. The Palestinian's sovereignty is.

The rocket attacks started in 2001.

The occupation started 34 years before that.


The occupation of gaza ended in August 2005 so why 8 years later are the muslims still attacking Israel.

Do you mean like that are doing by responding to attacks from gaza, which is what International law says they can do. The blockade is not illegal as stated by the UN. There are no Israelis in gaza so how is it an occupation, and come out with the bullshit that the blockade is occupation as International Law tells you that this is a LIE. So when will you get of land that is not yours then, after all you are just an illegal occupier of first nation land aren't you

The only UN document that stated the blockade was legal, was the Palmer Report. And that commission wasn't even convened to discuss the legality of the blockade. The panel had no legal experts on international law and took most of the evidence from declarations from Israel and Turkey.

Another commission which was convened to discuss the legality of the blockade, concluded it was illegal. Not only is it illegal, it's a war crime.

As far as the occupation of Gaza, there doesn't need to be a physical presence for the occupation to exist. Israel has "effective control" over the entire area and that satisfies the definition of an occupation.

Try again as the UN has stated that the blockade does not infringe on human rights, if it did they have it within their power to breach the blockade and send in humanitarian supplies.
So when did the Hague tell you that what Israel is ding is a war crime

As Isreal has done in the past only to see the rockets increase in numbers because there was no deterrent. The only thing Isreal can do is take a leaf out of islams book and roll tanks into gaza flattening everything in sight and poisoning the very earth. When the UN demands they stop tell them to keep out of Israel's business unless they are prepared to help chastise the naughty gazan terrorists.

Israel's done nothing of the kind.

If they wanted peace, why are they always breaking the ceasefires?

The only ceasefire that was in place was broken within 2 hours by hamas firing rockets at Israel. Since 1948 Israel has sued for peace and harmony and the muslims have refused the offers.

 

[Phoenall]

The United Nations uses the concept of 'effective control' to propagate the myth that Israel occupies Gaza.

Israel blockades Gaza from the outside.

Israel launches punitive raids across the border from the outside, and then returns to the outside, once Hamas has provoked them into making such a raid or strike.

But they do not control Gaza.

**** the United Nations definition.

Their General Assembly bends over so far to kiss Arab ass that they are no longer reliable as an arbiter in such matters, anyway.

Israel does not occupy Gaza.

Although they should.

And they probably will, again, and soon.

With or without Arabs being present.

Sorry, you can't make up your own rules as you go along.

WHY NOT you do it all the time because of your NAZI ANTISEMITIC RACIST JEW HATRED

 

[Phoenall]

It doesn't have to last forever... only another couple of decades.

By then, the Palestinians will have long-since been dispersed into Jordan and Lebanon, and this will all blow over. No worries.

It's all a matter of timing.

Israel's crimes are far too brazen and belligerent for the world to tolerate two more decades of this bullshit before it decides enough is enough.

No one who considers themselves a human being can allow Israel's crimes against humanity to go on without eventually doing something about it.

It happened to Hitler; it will happen to Israel.

Even with the Islamic control of the UN they cant get one alleged crime to the Hague. As you may know the Hague is not like any other court and can try a person in their absence. This was done in the case of an Islamic leader who is now a prisoner in his own country as he will be arrested and sent to prison for his war crimes. So which of the Israeli leaders cant leave Israel because they face prison if they do ?

 

[Kondor3]

It doesn't have to last forever... only another couple of decades.

By then, the Palestinians will have long-since been dispersed into Jordan and Lebanon, and this will all blow over. No worries.

It's all a matter of timing.

Israel's crimes are far too brazen and belligerent for the world to tolerate two more decades of this bullshit before it decides enough is enough.

No one who considers themselves a human being can allow Israel's crimes against humanity to go on without eventually doing something about it.

It happened to Hitler; it will happen to Israel.

Even with the Islamic control of the UN they cant get one alleged crime to the Hague. As you may know the Hague is not like any other court and can try a person in their absence. This was done in the case of an Islamic leader who is now a prisoner in his own country as he will be arrested and sent to prison for his war crimes. So which of the Israeli leaders cant leave Israel because they face prison if they do ?

Our colleague Bilbo lives in a Muslim child's fantasy-land of his own making...

 

[Phoenall]

Don't talk such crap, Israel has not occupied gaza since august 2005. What you call occupation is Israel abiding by International law and stopping the influx of enemy agents into Israel. You should try looking at the International law regarding national borders and what steps a country can take to protect them. But no doubt you believe that the US is occupying Canada and Mexico because it does the same things Israel does to protect its borders.

Now if you think Israel occupies gaza then Egypt must also occupy gaza because it also has a blockade on gaza.

If you don't know what "effective control" is, then you're in a conversation that is way over your head.

When I take my model plane out and fly it I am in effective control, but I do not occupy it do I. Israel and Egypt are in effective control of gaza but neither is occupying the land so there is no de fact occupation. All hamas has to do is stop all rocket attacks and negotiate peace and borders and they will gat all they want. But they know if they do and then decide to attack Israel they will face the might of the west and will see an even worse occupation by UN troops.

 

[Phoenall]

It is in the news all the time.

Nothing to offer as usual, as she runs away when directly questioned. Show proof asshole, or it never happened, as so many of us adults already know about gaza.

I don't care if you believe me or not. You are irrelevant.

What you mean is that Israel returns fire across the border for rockets fired at Israeli children. Because the muslim scum think life is cheap they place women and children in the firing line so the numbers of dead rise. Sometimes they even kill some of their own people to make the numbers larger. ( al dura case is one such )

 

[Phoenall]

This is the only sentence in your garbage post I'll respond to; with the following questions which no doubt you and the tin-douch chimp will ignore:

1) how do you explain the terrorism against israel for the decades BEFORE the alleged occupation?

Name some specific terrorist events and I comment on them.

2) how do you explain the rocket fire and attacks from lebanon even though it left lebanon years before?

It was probably in response to Israeli commando raids.

3) if israel leaves the west bank and gaza today, what will you do/say if israel continues to experience rocket/artillery fire and terrorist attacks, even 5-10 years AFTER exiting?

I'd say in that case, Israel has every right to go in there and **** up their shit.

If you can answer those questions credibly, then it might be possible to have a rational discussion. I expect that neither you nor the other jackass polluting this thread will even attempt to do so, since neither of you are credible.

I don't avoid any questions, junior.

So when Israel removed all of its personnel from gaza in 2005 and the muslims continued to fire rockets, grenades, machine guns and other weapons at Israeli civilians what was Israel supposed to do. Were they right in waiting 2 years before responding with military power to the continual and severe attacks. There was no occupation of gaza, no blockade of gaza and no "effective control" of gaza . Proving that the blame lies firmly in the hands of the muslim mongrel scum that have brainwashed you into believing they should own Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

They did just fine and kicked major Arab Ass several times BEFORE acquiring nuclear weapons.

But it's more fun for them nowadays WITH the atomic firecrackers than without.

Israel doesn't 'bully' its neighbors, the way its neighbors have repeatedly tried to do to Israel within Living Memory.

Bombing Iraq, bombing Lebanon, bombing Syria and threatening to bomb Iran, is not bullying?

Bombing Israel, murdering unarmed athletes, shooting pregnant women from ambush, raping children while slitting their throats and eating parts of Israeli bodies is not bullying either. Nor is threatening to fire nuclear weapons at Israel, arming terrorist groups who are already killing Israelis and planning to build nuclear weapons to use against Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

I do recognize immigration as legal. However, we need to define the term.



Using this definition the settlers imported into Palestine by the Zionists were not immigrants. They were aliens. They were foreigners.

They were not there to swear allegiance to Palestine but to destroy Palestine and replace it with a Jewish state.

So what does this make all the muslims that migrated to Palestine looking for work on Jewish owned farms.

Did they apply for or receive Palestinian citizenship?

No as there was no legal state of Palestine in existence
Not that it matters. It was the Zionist imports who were foreigners.

As were the many thousands of muslims from Iraq, iran, Saudi, yemen, UAE, Pakistan, afganistan etc.

 

[Phoenall]

Kerry really needs to make a better offer. The Palestinians are not buying his crap.

What would you propose then, that does not go against the UN charter and the UN resolutions in regards to peace. ( at no time have the UN demanded that Israel return to the 1967 cease fire lines )

The Palestinians want a peace agreement based on the UN Charter and international law.

I don't see why there should be such a problem with that. People act like they are asking for the moon.

Because they want the UN charter and International Law re-writing in their favour so they can have the whole world. Israel has offered just that since 1948 and the muslims have refused to accept it

 

[Phoenall]

Do you understand International Law when it states that you can defend your citizens by building defensive barriers around them and man the barriers with members of the armed forces with instructions to shoot to kill anyone that approaches the barriers.

That is not occupation of gaza unless you also make the same distinction in regards to the blockade placed by Egypt on gaza.

Egypt does not control 80% of what goes in to (and out of) Gaza, Israel does.

And you cannot build fences and barriers on land that isn't yours.

Sorry to spoil your day but Egypt is an equal partner in the blockade and as such controls 100% of what goes in or out of gaza.

Try telling that to the USA, Saudi, china, Russia, iran, turkey and of course Egypt. As they all do it when it suits them. But Israel has built the security fence to keep the terrorists out and the UN has not said that it is illegal.

 

[Phoenall]

Once again for the IDIOTS that cant understand simple English, and I am writing this very slowly so you can take it all in.

In August 2005 Israel implemented the first phase of the Oslo Accords by removing Israel personnel and civilians from gaza. The muslims in gaza were to stop all acts of belligerence at the same time as agreed in Oslo. These were the precursors to peace talks between Israel and the P.A. to negotiate a settlement of legal borders and lasting peace. The muslims ignored the agreement they had made and continued to rain high explosives into Israel targeting only those areas that catered to childrens needs. The next time the Israeli troops entered gaza was during operation cast lead, so do explain how Israel has troops in gaza all the time when it has given hamas the land to administer. This simple act means that Israel is no longer required by INTERNATIONAL LAW to support gaza in any way, and is not responsible for the health, education and basic welfare of the gazan people. This was debated by the UN as one of the many thousands of resolutions put to the G.A. from the Islamic controlled council.

Hold on there skippy, Israel was supposed to turn over control of certain areas to Palestinian security forces and they didn't live up to that part of their agreement in the Oslo Accords, which nullified the "Accords".

TRY AGAIN IDIOT as the deal was a phased withdrawal with each phase to be completed before the next phase began. So the muslim attacks on Israel were what negated the accords.

 

[rhodescholar]

Hold on there skippy, Israel was supposed to turn over control of certain areas to Palestinian security forces and they didn't live up to that part of their agreement in the Oslo Accords, which nullified the "Accords".

****, SIX MONTHS after the 1992 oslo accords were signed, the muslims began suicide bombing israel.

Within HOURS of leaving gaza, israel began facing artillery and mortar fire.

Every time they opened a crossing between gaza and israel, it was fired at and suicide bombed.

Try facts, scumbag.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Don't talk such crap, Israel has not occupied gaza since august 2005. What you call occupation is Israel abiding by International law and stopping the influx of enemy agents into Israel. You should try looking at the International law regarding national borders and what steps a country can take to protect them. But no doubt you believe that the US is occupying Canada and Mexico because it does the same things Israel does to protect its borders.

Now if you think Israel occupies gaza then Egypt must also occupy gaza because it also has a blockade on gaza.

Everyone in the world, except the liars in Israel, says that Israel still occupies Gaza.

Strange then that the UN says that Israel doesn't occupy gaza. And the only people who do say they do happen to be muslims, NAZIS and JEW HATERS

Actually..................



Latest UN declaration of Israel’s "occupation" is part of a wider push to maintain Palestinian helplessness.

GENEVA – The UN continues to label the Gaza Strip “occupied” by Israel, despite a Hamas leader stating this week that that’s no longer a tenable position.

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.




Read full article
Hamas says Gaza ?not occupied?; UN disagrees | JPost | Israel News

 

[Billo_Really]

****, SIX MONTHS after the 1992 oslo accords were signed, the muslims began suicide bombing israel.

Within HOURS of leaving gaza, israel began facing artillery and mortar fire.

Every time they opened a crossing between gaza and israel, it was fired at and suicide bombed.

Try facts, scumbag.

Those aren't facts, those are claims.

Where's your proof, fuckhead?

 

[Billo_Really]

TRY AGAIN IDIOT as the deal was a phased withdrawal with each phase to be completed before the next phase began. So the muslim attacks on Israel were what negated the accords.

And Israel was found to be in breech of those phases.

 

[aris2chat]

The withdrawals were supposed to be reciprocal, not just implemented by Israel. Palestinians have not complied.

 

[RoccoR]

Sweet_Caroline; Phoenall; P F Tinmore; et al,

This is certainly something of a change and surprise.

Everyone in the world, except the liars in Israel, says that Israel still occupies Gaza.

Strange then that the UN says that Israel doesn't occupy gaza. And the only people who do say they do happen to be muslims, NAZIS and JEW HATERS

Actually..................

Latest UN declaration of Israel’s "occupation" is part of a wider push to maintain Palestinian helplessness.

GENEVA – The UN continues to label the Gaza Strip “occupied” by Israel, despite a Hamas leader stating this week that that’s no longer a tenable position.

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.

(COMMENT)

As reasonably as this sounds, these guys must have something of a strategy behind this. I can not believe that they (HAMAS) would just up! - and abandon - the perpetual victim persona that they have worked so hard to achieve.

There must be something else afoot. I can only wonder what they must be planning in-camera.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Sweet_Caroline; Phoenall; P F Tinmore; et al,

This is certainly something of a change and surprise.

Strange then that the UN says that Israel doesn't occupy gaza. And the only people who do say they do happen to be muslims, NAZIS and JEW HATERS

Actually..................

Latest UN declaration of Israel’s "occupation" is part of a wider push to maintain Palestinian helplessness.

GENEVA – The UN continues to label the Gaza Strip “occupied” by Israel, despite a Hamas leader stating this week that that’s no longer a tenable position.

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.

(COMMENT)

As reasonably as this sounds, these guys must have something of a strategy behind this. I can not believe that they (HAMAS) would just up! - and abandon - the perpetual victim persona that they have worked so hard to achieve.

There must be something else afoot. I can only wonder what they must be planning in-camera.

Most Respectfully,
R

The only surprise is that there is no surprise. They cannot even lie properly.

You obviously know about Pallywood don't you?