What the Palestinians and Arabs Think of Kerry's New Ideas

[Billo_Really]

...from the idiot asshole attacking others for making personal attacks and name calling...

Yes, you are THAT ******* stupid.

You complaining about others making personal attacks, is like Charles Manson bitching at a pro-choice woman that she should respect life.

 

[rhodescholar]

You complaining about others making personal attacks, is like Charles Manson bitching at a pro-choice woman that she should respect life.

Chimp, I was not complaining about it, YOU WERE, you stupid ******* idiot.

YOU attacked another poster for making personal attacks and then called them a *****:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/8393784-post130.html

"I asked you more than once why you think I'm a "jew hater" and to date, you're too ***** to answer."

Are you mentally ill, or are just so stupid you cannot even remember a post you made 2 pages earlier?

 

[Billo_Really]

Which you deflected because you're exposed as garbage and too stupid to be able to engage in.

What was deflected?

We have a disagreement of any kind, that is not the point. That you keep asking this non-sequitor is proof you're a trolling asshole, and can get away with it here because this forum allows trolling, sadly. As is the case with most racist trash, it is clear there was never any intention of a rational dialogue, just jew-hating bile and trolling.

Asking you the reason for the things you say, is not trolling.

What is telling is how you probably think you are being clever or funny while trolling and trying to piss people off here - while it is exposing you as as big an idiot asshole as tinmore. As I've repeatedly said, this forum needs better posters on the pro-arab side.

I can't piss anyone off. If you're pissed off about something I said, that was "your" choice. You chose to get pissed off. That has nothing to do with me.

Nice strawman fuckhead - show where I claimed that israel could do whatever it wanted.

That was conjecture, not a claim.

And keep running away from the point where you justify bombing/firing rockets into civilian neighborhoods since "only 28 people were killed," as if that acceptable since in your tiny pea brain, that wasn't "a lot of people".

I didn't justify anything and I asked you to prove where I did? But instead of showing proof, you just repeat the same bullshit claim.

Anyone over 4 years old who debates on public internet forums knows that throwing out BS blogs or non-MSM sites containing un-sourced articles or lists are NOT acceptable as "evidence."

Just speak for yourself. You don't speak for others.

If you used jewwatch - a shithole you probably get most of your ideas from anyway - or some other blog or BS site, it is no more valid than if you created your own site, put up a story on it, and then used it as a source. Either use well-known, major MSM (news) sites, or it is worthless garbage like your posts.

Too bad for you, you don't decide what websites can (and cannot) be used, nor do you decide what is valid or not. If you think a claim is not true, then ******* prove it, instead of spewing out these grade-school arguments.

It is not MY claim idiot, it is the claim of everyone who posts on web forums, except idiot assholes like you, who think they can cite anything on the web and declare "it is a legit source since I linked it!"

You don't speak for everyone, shithead!

The world does not work that way, childish moron, just like it doesn't work that way for the arab muslim liars about Jenin and their mentally ill apologists like you, no matter how much you want it to.

How would you know how the world works? You avoid reality like the plague.

The issue was not whether the US could or could not do so, it was the reason that you lied about, and then quickly backed away from defending:

"Is the US is bombing pakistan for religious reasons?" No they are not.

It was YET ANOTHER obvious lie and your sheer volume of them is reaching epic proportions, like so many other posts you get exposed for - and then try to deflect and think you are being funny.

What was the lie?

You suck as a debater and have zero credibility; you cannot even cite a reasonable MSM source, maybe next you'll do the one honest thing in your useless, failed life and cite Stormfront forum posts.

WTF are you talking about?

You can't even explain why you say things.

 

[Billo_Really]

Chimp, I was not complaining about it, YOU WERE, you stupid ******* idiot.

YOU attacked another poster for making personal attacks and then called them a *****:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/8393784-post130.html

"I asked you more than once why you think I'm a "jew hater" and to date, you're too ***** to answer."

Are you mentally ill, or are just so stupid you cannot even remember a post you made 2 pages earlier?

That question wasn't directed at you, fuckface.

 

[Billo_Really]

That is correct I call you what you area a RACIST NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATING CRIMINAL

You call what you want me to be.

 

[rhodescholar]

What was deflected?

LOL, notice how the chimp thinks she can try to keep trolling by idiotically repeating the same question over and over. That's the difference between an intelligent troll and a moron; an intelligent one can dance around a bit and jousts - a moron just keeps repeating the same line over and over.

I can't piss anyone off. If you're pissed off about something I said, that was "your" choice. You chose to get pissed off. That has nothing to do with me.

You're too ******* stupid to get a reaction from me other than laughing at you. What adds to the hilarity is how ******* stupid you look on this forum, but don't recognize it. It's like watching a low IQ blind man try to hit a pinata.

Just speak for yourself. You don't speak for others.

I speak for the vast majority of the forum, who also believes you are a complete piece of shit with zero credibility, who thinks they are scoring brownie points by holding out here trolling like the turd you are. Rational adults know what respectable websites are - you're simply too ******* stupid to.

For a good discussion I need someone intelligent on the other side who can capably defend the arab positions, and you fail miserably. If I was arab I'd be humiliated to have pieces of shit like you trying (and failing) to defend my cause.

 

[rhodescholar]

That question wasn't directed at you, fuckface.

LOL, now the chimp thinks they can decide who can respond on this thread, and when. Sorry douchebag, you don't get to make that decision.

I'll remind the board (and this asshole) that she complained that another poster was making personal attacks, and then did EXACTLY that, which is all that is relevant.

This moron is so confused she's lost her (meager) ability to make rational statements.

But as several other posters here would agree, this turd is mentally ill, and cannot keep track of what it is posting anymore.

 

[Phoenall]

Indeed, UNGA resolution 181 comes to mind.

Indeed, since most of the jew-hating trash like you always states that 181 was never implemented. But as expected, the arabs chose war instead of further diplomacy, as would be epected of every other group of humans. As we all know, arab muslims (and their racist, fetid apologists) are "special" and don't need to adhere to the same norms as others.

UNGA resolution 181 was a suggestion. It was Britain, in its mandate, who refused to implement resolution 181 because both sides did not approve.

WRONG AGAIN as it was Britain that asked the UN to make the ruling as it had already gave up its mandate and told the Jews they could have their homeland. The UN implemented res 181 and it was accepted by all UN members bar the muslims. They preferred to implement war and genocide to remove the Jews from the M.E. once and for all, thus ending their allies "final solution"
Now the muslims are bleating about getting beat in every war and want the terms of 181 implementing 65 years after refusing them

 

[Phoenall]

Why ask? You really don't want to know.

Watched it and found it full of Islamic lies and blood libels. The security fence is not illegal as is stated at the begining, if it was then Palestine itself is illegal. The security fence is there to protect Israel citizens from terrorist attacks, and to keep foreign nationals out of Israel. Isreal has the right under International Law to stop anyone from entering its territory and does not have to give a reason why, just as the USA is also allowed to do. Start thinking along the lines of "does the USA do this to foreign nationals, and if it does do I support it"

Examples?

Examples of what, the USA security fence with Mexico and the no mans land that is between the two fences.

 

[Phoenall]

UNGA resolution 181 was a suggestion. It was Britain, in its mandate, who refused to implement resolution 181 because both sides did not approve.

LIAR as Britain had already given the mandated land to the UN to dispose of. It was the muslims that refused to abide by the principals and demanded that they be given all of the M.E. to rule.

Not true. Britain never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership of Palestinian land.

Well they couldn't could they as Palestine was just an undefined area on a map, it was not a nation. But MY COUNTRY did take ownership of Palestine under mandate and ruled it for many years after they beat the ottoman empire. But if you want to be pedantic about the whole thing Jordan is also stolen land as it was created in the same manner as Israel on British Palestinian mandated land. Learn how to read the history books before spouting your NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED

 

[Phoenall]

Examples?

Read the above again were I gave the example voiced in the first 20 seconds of the film. Need I go any further than that ?

Are you being vague because you have no real point?

What could be more explicit than saying the example is in your own link, the presenter makes a LIBEL that she knows is a LIE. The security fence is legal under International law as it is there to stop the illegal entry into Israel of unwanted people. Just like the USA has border controls with Mexico that stop the entry of unwanted people

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians are Arabs at the end of the day, and all Arabs are not that bright, as well as being destructive. I'm writing a book called "Hollywood and the Bible". In the research that I did for the book, I learned this little tidbit. Many local Egyptians were used in shooting the Tower of Babel segment in the 1966 film "The Bible". Production had to be stopped for several days because those Egyptians were involved in rock-throwing incidents. Some things never change.

Most Palestinians are not arabs at all but ill educated and illiterate Pakistani's, afgahni's, Egyptians, Iraqi's and Iranians. Their leader for many years was an Egyptian by the name of Arafat

Arafart was an Egyptian Arab. Most "Palestinians" are no more than second-generation nomads from Jordan, Iraq or Saudi Arabia--all Arab countries.

Out of the nations you named only 1 is truly arab, the rest are mongrels from the rest of the M.E

 

[Phoenall]

Most Palestinians are not arabs at all but ill educated and illiterate Pakistani's, afgahni's, Egyptians, Iraqi's and Iranians. Their leader for many years was an Egyptian by the name of Arafat

Arafart was an Egyptian Arab. Most "Palestinians" are no more than second-generation nomads from Jordan, Iraq or Saudi Arabia--all Arab countries.

My grandparents were from Scotland, England, and Germany.

Does that mean that I am not American?

YES as you arte only a second generation immigrant who has taken American citizenship. While you still cling to your Scottish, English and German roots you will never be American.

 

[Phoenall]

And you think with your juvenile one-liners you are successfully defending the arab muslims? As if someone with ten minutes of time studying the conflict does not see through how full of shit you are, like your moronic claim that "Britain never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership of Palestinian land."

They were the occupying power, fuckhead. If you claim israel is the current occupying power and does not even have a single soldier in gaza, how do you claim britain was not occupying the region when it had troops and personnel there?

No wonder I put this asshole on ignore, it makes stupid statements it cannot even begin to defend.

Do you know what the concept of "effective control" is and how it relates to an occupation?

Do you understand International Law when it states that you can defend your citizens by building defensive barriers around them and man the barriers with members of the armed forces with instructions to shoot to kill anyone that approaches the barriers.

That is not occupation of gaza unless you also make the same distinction in regards to the blockade placed by Egypt on gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

Are you being vague because you have no real point?

And you think with your juvenile one-liners you are successfully defending the arab muslims? As if someone with ten minutes of time studying the conflict does not see through how full of shit you are, like your moronic claim that "Britain never annexed or otherwise claimed ownership of Palestinian land."

They were the occupying power, fuckhead. If you claim israel is the current occupying power and does not even have a single soldier in gaza, how do you claim britain was not occupying the region when it had troops and personnel there?

No wonder I put this asshole on ignore, it makes stupid statements it cannot even begin to defend.

They were the occupying power,...

That is correct and occupiers don't own anything.

Israel has troops in Gaza all the time.

Once again for the IDIOTS that cant understand simple English, and I am writing this very slowly so you can take it all in.

In August 2005 Israel implemented the first phase of the Oslo Accords by removing Israel personnel and civilians from gaza. The muslims in gaza were to stop all acts of belligerence at the same time as agreed in Oslo. These were the precursors to peace talks between Israel and the P.A. to negotiate a settlement of legal borders and lasting peace. The muslims ignored the agreement they had made and continued to rain high explosives into Israel targeting only those areas that catered to childrens needs. The next time the Israeli troops entered gaza was during operation cast lead, so do explain how Israel has troops in gaza all the time when it has given hamas the land to administer. This simple act means that Israel is no longer required by INTERNATIONAL LAW to support gaza in any way, and is not responsible for the health, education and basic welfare of the gazan people. This was debated by the UN as one of the many thousands of resolutions put to the G.A. from the Islamic controlled council.

 

[Billo_Really]

Do you understand International Law when it states that you can defend your citizens by building defensive barriers around them and man the barriers with members of the armed forces with instructions to shoot to kill anyone that approaches the barriers.

That is not occupation of gaza unless you also make the same distinction in regards to the blockade placed by Egypt on gaza.

Egypt does not control 80% of what goes in to (and out of) Gaza, Israel does.

And you cannot build fences and barriers on land that isn't yours.

 

[Billo_Really]

Once again for the IDIOTS that cant understand simple English, and I am writing this very slowly so you can take it all in.

In August 2005 Israel implemented the first phase of the Oslo Accords by removing Israel personnel and civilians from gaza. The muslims in gaza were to stop all acts of belligerence at the same time as agreed in Oslo. These were the precursors to peace talks between Israel and the P.A. to negotiate a settlement of legal borders and lasting peace. The muslims ignored the agreement they had made and continued to rain high explosives into Israel targeting only those areas that catered to childrens needs. The next time the Israeli troops entered gaza was during operation cast lead, so do explain how Israel has troops in gaza all the time when it has given hamas the land to administer. This simple act means that Israel is no longer required by INTERNATIONAL LAW to support gaza in any way, and is not responsible for the health, education and basic welfare of the gazan people. This was debated by the UN as one of the many thousands of resolutions put to the G.A. from the Islamic controlled council.

Hold on there skippy, Israel was supposed to turn over control of certain areas to Palestinian security forces and they didn't live up to that part of their agreement in the Oslo Accords, which nullified the "Accords".

 

[Phoenall]

And israel is right to retain this measure of control, or do you prefer that they just sit back and be murdered?

The rocket attacks have only killed 28 people in 13 years.

That's hardly an epidemic. And besides, Israel does 10 times the murdering than Gazan's do.


irrelevant when taken as part of the Geneva Conventions, there should be no rockets targeting Israeli children as this is a WAR CRIME and a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. The rockets are unwarranted and ILLEGAL and the governing body of gaza should be hauled before the Hague and tried for their heinous crimes.
The problem lies in the muslim refusal to adhere to the Geneva conventions and stop using civilians as human shields. Then further refusing to provide safe havens for the civilians in times of attack. By refusing to do these things they make the deaths of civilians a foregone conclusion and under the terms of the Geneva Conventions they are to blame for the deaths NOT ISREAL.

I find it interesting that dime-a-dozen posters like you never mention the criminal actions of the arabs in gaza, as in how many hours or days was it after israel exited gaza in 2007 before rockets/artillery were fired over the border?

The rocket attacks are always in response to an Israeli air strike or targeted killing.


STOP LYING the rocket attacks are pre meditated and deliberate attempts at murdering Israeli children. They are the implementation of terrorism not a response to anything and the gazan leaders have admitted this as fact.

Idiots like you demand more and more concessions from israel, yet make no comment on how the more israel pulls back, the more hostile actions it faces.

I'm not demanding concessions from Israel. I'm demanding they honor international law and human rights and end the occupation and blockade. It's an occupation. There's nothing to concede. Just get the **** off land that isn't yours.


Who says it is not their land if it was bought by them in the first place. How would you like some Lebanese to tell you to get of your land because they hate Americans.

Read the transcripts of the UN GA and see were they have constantly stated that Israel is not occupying gaza and the blockade is legal, and that Israel is honouring International Law all the time. In fact they could implement ROLLING THUNDER and destroy gaza completely in one day and they would be within the terms of International Law.

Why don't you explain what steps towards peace have the gazan arabs ever taken, what token gestures, etc.? Tell us why Israel should not maintain preventative measures against an area firing rockets at it?

The only thing Gazan's can do, is what Israel allows them to do.

End the occupation and blockade and Israel won't get rockets.

They did that back in August 2005 and the rockets increased, it was a full year of increasing fire that forced Israel to put the blockade in place. It was a further two years of illegal attacks that forced Israel to take action and enter Gaza during Operation Cast Lead

 

[Phoenall]

So take it up with the original gaza prison officers who now effect control of gaza on the eastern edge.
Would you say that they occupy gaza as well ?

No. Israel occupies Gaza.

PROOF or admit you are wrong.

The facts are that Egypt has also placed a blockade on gaza and has erected a security fence and border control on the western edge of gaza. They shoot more gazan muslims terrorists that Israel does. All Israel has done is put a LEGAL BLOCKADE on gaza that prohibits certain goods from entering the area, and closed its border crossing to traffic leaving gaza. There are no Israelis in gaza so they cant be occupying it, unless you also declare that Egypt is also occupying gaza.

 

[Phoenall]

A blockade is an act of war. The Palestinians are merely responding as is their legal right to do.

BULLSHIT the blockade is legal and sanctioned by the UN, all it does is attempt to stop the import of weapons into gaza