What The Hell Does A Normal American Need An Army Assault Weapon For.....Target Practice?

[Skull Pilot]

We don't have ownership rates for legal guns in all states either

so how do you know how many guns are in each state?

Yes we do.

no we don't since not all guns are registered

Gun Ownership Statistics by State - Demographic Data

That was done by a survey not an actual count

You have counted and can say they are not accurate?

No survey is 100% accurate because they do not ask 100% of the people in a state and they do not verify the responses

 

[miketx]

This idea of the NRA governing the types of weapons available in gun shops is rank bull shit! Why is it that we're the only industrialized nation in the world which feels the necessity of a ordinary citizen to go armed with a military style killing machine?

Your pussy is dripping wet.

 

[Auld Phart]

Don't need any because I am not trying to tell other people how much ammo they need you are

My CHL instructor said if a cop asked why you shot the guy 5 times. Your answer should be, because 4 wasn't enough and 6 would have been too many. Cops are trained to shoot until the suspect goes down, CHLs are taught to fire until there is no longer a threat. Neutralizing the threat is what it's all about.

And there is no determined set amount of rounds fired before the threat is neutralized like BrainDead seems to think

And 0 examples of anyone needing a hi cap mag for defense. Sure are lots of mass killers using them though.

And you think a law will stop mass killers from using them?

Can you spell N A I V E ?

Getting them illegally means they can be caught before killing.

Getting them illegally means they can be caught before killing.

South side of Chicago is certainly proof of that.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Link

And the cops I know are the most pro 2nd people around

More Police Are Killed in States With More Guns, Study Finds

Legal or illegal guns

You never seem to add that very important detail do you? Why is that do you think?

We don't have ownership rates for illegal guns.

We don't have ownership rates for legal guns in all states either

so how do you know how many guns are in each state?

Yes we do.

No they dont. Pretty much all my firearms are unregistered.

 

[Brain357]

My CHL instructor said if a cop asked why you shot the guy 5 times. Your answer should be, because 4 wasn't enough and 6 would have been too many. Cops are trained to shoot until the suspect goes down, CHLs are taught to fire until there is no longer a threat. Neutralizing the threat is what it's all about.

And there is no determined set amount of rounds fired before the threat is neutralized like BrainDead seems to think

And 0 examples of anyone needing a hi cap mag for defense. Sure are lots of mass killers using them though.

And you think a law will stop mass killers from using them?

Can you spell N A I V E ?

Getting them illegally means they can be caught before killing.

Funny how so many people still get guns illegally and never get caught but you think they will get caught buying a hi cap mag?

NAIVE

This one did. Happens all the time dumbass
Man with weapons was headed to L.A. gay pride parade

 

[Skull Pilot]

And there is no determined set amount of rounds fired before the threat is neutralized like BrainDead seems to think

And 0 examples of anyone needing a hi cap mag for defense. Sure are lots of mass killers using them though.

And you think a law will stop mass killers from using them?

Can you spell N A I V E ?

Getting them illegally means they can be caught before killing.

Funny how so many people still get guns illegally and never get caught but you think they will get caught buying a hi cap mag?

NAIVE

This one did. Happens all the time dumbass
Man with weapons was headed to L.A. gay pride parade

He didn;t get caught buying a hi cap mag

He got caught because someone dropped a dime on him

 

[OKTexas]

Kill him obviously.
Anyone who knows shit about firearms will tell you never shoot to wound.

If defense is killing only about 200 criminals are killed in defense each year. Compare that to over 9000 gun homicides. Maybe we should ban guns.

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the 1.5 million defensive gun uses a year, why do you want a million and a half more victims?

Those are fictional. Funny you would believe that.

Funny, they come from your dear leaders CDC. And they did their best to minimize the numbers, they actually said it could be as high as 3 million. That was in 2013. So take your ignorance and run along and let the adults talk.

Really. Link and quote please. They reviewed previous studies but never estimated them.

I'm only going to do this once, so pay attention. My B/U

“Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

<<snip>>

According to the study, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century.” Accidental deaths resulting from firearms accounted for less than one percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.

<<snip>>

“Mass shootings are a highly visible and moving tragedy, but represent only a small fraction of total firearm-related violence. … It is also apparent that some mass murder incidents are associated with suicides. However, the characteristics of suicides associated with mass murders are not understood.”

<<snip>>

The study also explored an often overlooked statistic regarding suicide, especially among veterans. “Firearm-related suicides — though receiving far less public attention — significantly outnumber homicides for all age groups, with suicides accounting for approximately 60 percent of all firearm injury fatalities in the United States in 2009. In 2010, suicide was the 10th leading cause of death among individuals in the United States over the age of 10.”

Looking at that last snip, maybe you should be arguing for more mental health treatment facilities for you and your fellow nut jobs.

CDC Releases Study on Gun Violence: Defensive gun use common, mass shootings not

Now, considering the stats support nothing you say, maybe you should just shut the fuck up.

 

[OKTexas]

Might have more guns than you dipshit.

You don't have any guns and we all know that

And you talk out of your ass. Prove it.

You prove that you have them,

He's most likely too stupid to take a picture.

Well my gp100 is pretty. But pictures are easy to find so what would be the point?

You fucking hypocrite, are you seriously saying you own an automatic weapon?

 

[Skull Pilot]

You don't have any guns and we all know that

And you talk out of your ass. Prove it.

You prove that you have them,

He's most likely too stupid to take a picture.

Well my gp100 is pretty. But pictures are easy to find so what would be the point?

You fucking hypocrite, are you seriously saying you own an automatic weapon?

A GP 100 is a Ruger .357
And I still don't believe he owns any weapons

 

[Brain357]

And 0 examples of anyone needing a hi cap mag for defense. Sure are lots of mass killers using them though.

And you think a law will stop mass killers from using them?

Can you spell N A I V E ?

Getting them illegally means they can be caught before killing.

Funny how so many people still get guns illegally and never get caught but you think they will get caught buying a hi cap mag?

NAIVE

This one did. Happens all the time dumbass
Man with weapons was headed to L.A. gay pride parade

He didn;t get caught buying a hi cap mag

He got caught because someone dropped a dime on him

He was caught before killing.

 

[Brain357]

And you talk out of your ass. Prove it.

You prove that you have them,

He's most likely too stupid to take a picture.

Well my gp100 is pretty. But pictures are easy to find so what would be the point?

You fucking hypocrite, are you seriously saying you own an automatic weapon?

A GP 100 is a Ruger .357
And I still don't believe he owns any weapons

Glad one of you knows guns. Stainless with 4" barrel. Best looking .357 out there.

 

[Brain357]

If defense is killing only about 200 criminals are killed in defense each year. Compare that to over 9000 gun homicides. Maybe we should ban guns.

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the 1.5 million defensive gun uses a year, why do you want a million and a half more victims?

Those are fictional. Funny you would believe that.

Funny, they come from your dear leaders CDC. And they did their best to minimize the numbers, they actually said it could be as high as 3 million. That was in 2013. So take your ignorance and run along and let the adults talk.

Really. Link and quote please. They reviewed previous studies but never estimated them.

I'm only going to do this once, so pay attention. My B/U

“Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

<<snip>>

According to the study, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century.” Accidental deaths resulting from firearms accounted for less than one percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.

<<snip>>

“Mass shootings are a highly visible and moving tragedy, but represent only a small fraction of total firearm-related violence. … It is also apparent that some mass murder incidents are associated with suicides. However, the characteristics of suicides associated with mass murders are not understood.”

<<snip>>

The study also explored an often overlooked statistic regarding suicide, especially among veterans. “Firearm-related suicides — though receiving far less public attention — significantly outnumber homicides for all age groups, with suicides accounting for approximately 60 percent of all firearm injury fatalities in the United States in 2009. In 2010, suicide was the 10th leading cause of death among individuals in the United States over the age of 10.”

Looking at that last snip, maybe you should be arguing for more mental health treatment facilities for you and your fellow nut jobs.

CDC Releases Study on Gun Violence: Defensive gun use common, mass shootings not

Now, considering the stats support nothing you say, maybe you should just shut the fuck up.

Guns.com? Funny. They did no study on dgus. Quote the actual study.

 

[Brain357]

If defense is killing only about 200 criminals are killed in defense each year. Compare that to over 9000 gun homicides. Maybe we should ban guns.

You seem to be conveniently forgetting the 1.5 million defensive gun uses a year, why do you want a million and a half more victims?

Those are fictional. Funny you would believe that.

Funny, they come from your dear leaders CDC. And they did their best to minimize the numbers, they actually said it could be as high as 3 million. That was in 2013. So take your ignorance and run along and let the adults talk.

Really. Link and quote please. They reviewed previous studies but never estimated them.

I'm only going to do this once, so pay attention. My B/U

“Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

<<snip>>

According to the study, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century.” Accidental deaths resulting from firearms accounted for less than one percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.

<<snip>>

“Mass shootings are a highly visible and moving tragedy, but represent only a small fraction of total firearm-related violence. … It is also apparent that some mass murder incidents are associated with suicides. However, the characteristics of suicides associated with mass murders are not understood.”

<<snip>>

The study also explored an often overlooked statistic regarding suicide, especially among veterans. “Firearm-related suicides — though receiving far less public attention — significantly outnumber homicides for all age groups, with suicides accounting for approximately 60 percent of all firearm injury fatalities in the United States in 2009. In 2010, suicide was the 10th leading cause of death among individuals in the United States over the age of 10.”

Looking at that last snip, maybe you should be arguing for more mental health treatment facilities for you and your fellow nut jobs.

CDC Releases Study on Gun Violence: Defensive gun use common, mass shootings not

Now, considering the stats support nothing you say, maybe you should just shut the fuck up.

They just discuss previous studies. They do nothing to estimate them.
Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use

 

[Papageorgio]

Brain knows that magazine capacity has nothing to do with mass shootings.....and Australia...if you look up their mass shootings...they didn't have a problem with mass shootings before their gun confiscation after Port Arthur........they don't like to tell you that either......

They want magazine bans because they can ban various types of guns based on the standard magazines that are designed for the tgun.........including pistiols....

Changing magazines slows the shooter and saves lives. Many shooters have been stopped at reload and certainly many have escaped during reload. It is physics moron.

Many? How many? Do you have the links?

Every mass shooting has people who escaped. Reloading helped many of them.

So you have nothing? Just your idea, which in this thread you have been

Brain knows that magazine capacity has nothing to do with mass shootings.....and Australia...if you look up their mass shootings...they didn't have a problem with mass shootings before their gun confiscation after Port Arthur........they don't like to tell you that either......

They want magazine bans because they can ban various types of guns based on the standard magazines that are designed for the tgun.........including pistiols....

Changing magazines slows the shooter and saves lives. Many shooters have been stopped at reload and certainly many have escaped during reload. It is physics moron.

Many? How many? Do you have the links?

Every mass shooting has people who escaped. Reloading helped many of them.

Who has been stopped at reload? Links? You claimed "Many shooters have been stopped at reload" Do you have proof or are you going to continue to babble BS?

Giffords shooting and others.

Giffords is one, do you have ANY links to others? You seem to be side stepping the issue. If there are many as you claim, you should be able to find dozens and dozens of links.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And you talk out of your ass. Prove it.

You prove that you have them,

He's most likely too stupid to take a picture.

Well my gp100 is pretty. But pictures are easy to find so what would be the point?

You fucking hypocrite, are you seriously saying you own an automatic weapon?

A GP 100 is a Ruger .357
And I still don't believe he owns any weapons

Yeah but it's one pull of the trigger for one round fired....just like the terrorist used.
Yeah.....brainless is a hypocrite.

 

[Brain357]

You prove that you have them,

He's most likely too stupid to take a picture.

Well my gp100 is pretty. But pictures are easy to find so what would be the point?

You fucking hypocrite, are you seriously saying you own an automatic weapon?

A GP 100 is a Ruger .357
And I still don't believe he owns any weapons

Yeah but it's one pull of the trigger for one round fired....just like the terrorist used.
Yeah.....brainless is a hypocrite.

6 rd capacity revolver. Not a mass killing weapon.

 

[Brain357]

Changing magazines slows the shooter and saves lives. Many shooters have been stopped at reload and certainly many have escaped during reload. It is physics moron.

Many? How many? Do you have the links?

Every mass shooting has people who escaped. Reloading helped many of them.

So you have nothing? Just your idea, which in this thread you have been

Changing magazines slows the shooter and saves lives. Many shooters have been stopped at reload and certainly many have escaped during reload. It is physics moron.

Many? How many? Do you have the links?

Every mass shooting has people who escaped. Reloading helped many of them.

Who has been stopped at reload? Links? You claimed "Many shooters have been stopped at reload" Do you have proof or are you going to continue to babble BS?

Giffords shooting and others.

Giffords is one, do you have ANY links to others? You seem to be side stepping the issue. If there are many as you claim, you should be able to find dozens and dozens of links.

UPDATE: SPU Staff Disarmed Shooter While He Was Reloading - The Truth About Guns

People escape every mass shooting.

 

[320 Years of History]

This idea of the NRA governing the types of weapons available in gun shops is rank bull shit! Why is it that we're the only industrialized nation in the world which feels the necessity of a ordinary citizen to go armed with a military style killing machine?

No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun.
-- William Ruger, founder of Sturm Ruger & Co, 1992 interview with Tom Brokaw​

Who knows? I think the reason derives from each of the following take in total:

1. In the U.S. it is comparatively easy to buy guns.
2. Because of the top small arms producing companies, four of the five that produce the most small firearms are U.S. owned and headquartered companies.
   
   
   
   Note:
   A website called Insider Monkey purports to list the six largest gun makers on the planet; however, it doesn't list Ruger. I have no idea why.
3. Because the gun industry support organizations have in the past seven times more money than do gun control support organizations. In the 2016 election cycle, the two factions have spent $700K+ and $300, respectively.

Other writers have also speculated on the answer to your question:

• Why Are Americans So Obsessed With Guns?
  
• Why are Americans so obsessed with guns?
  
• America's gun problem, explained
  
• When -- and why -- did the U.S. become so gun-crazy?
  
• 9 signs America’s gun obsession is getting worse
  
• Owning A Gun Seems Absolutely Moronic. Why Do Americans Love Guns So Much? -- This author posits 19 different reasons

Based on what I've read on USMB and in the press, it seems there may be almost as many reasons as there are gun owners, many of whom seem more concerned about whether they can own a gun than they are about whether their gun or others' guns are used to kill innocent people.

No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun.
-- William Ruger, founder of Sturm Ruger & Co, 1992 interview with Tom Brokaw

Doesn't seem to practice what he preaches

Ruger SR9 — Pistol Specs, Info, Photos, CCW and Concealed Carry Factors™, Firepower, Concealalability, Reviews, and User Comments — WhichGun.com

Ruger SR9 — Pistol Specs, Info, Photos, CCW and Concealed Carry Factors™, Firepower, Concealalability, Reviews, and User Comments — WhichGun.com

Ruger P89 — Pistol Specs, Info, Photos, CCW and Concealed Carry Factors™, Firepower, Concealalability, Reviews, and User Comments — WhichGun.com

If you want, I can link to other Rugers that have magazines over 10 rounds

Red:
Are you referring to the speaker of the quote that opened my post to which you replied? If so....

By 1994, Congress had banned high capacity magazines, along with assault weapons. That ban expired in 2004. William Ruger died in 2002. His successor, Michael Fifer, lobbied the U.S. Congress saying:

The regulation of magazine capacity will not deter crime, but will instead put law-abiding citizens at risk of harm. The bill, if enacted, also would expose law-abiding citizens to criminal prosecution for unintentionally possessing prohibited magazines -- magazines that were legally acquired and that are largely the norm in new firearms manufacturing.​

I didn't include the remainder of Ruger's quote which clarifies his remark that I quoted: "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock." I deliberately did not, just as I deliberately refrained from providing a reference link for the quote.

Other:
The reason I did not include the whole quote is that I have observed a penchant among many gun rights advocates on USMB for not presenting or checking to obtain complete information. By leaving out the second part of the quote, I sought to discern, by observing who may take exception with it, just whom I might reasonably consider among the population of "knee-jerk" responders, as compared to objective analysts and observers.

I did that also because I know I can't just accuse folks of being un-thorough in their reads of the matters that get discussed here, most especially as goes the gun rights/control debate, for I don't know the extent to which individuals explore things. Thus, I have to for myself create opportunities that allow me to obtain specific examples of the behavior that I'm interested in identifying. In this case, the behavior is failing to "trust/distrust but verify."

Now you can call what I did a trap if you want. The fact remains that one need only have pasted the quote into a search bar/field and pressed <Enter> and at least the first two results to appear would have contained the entire quote. More in depth research would have revealed a plausible but not confirmable motive for Ruger's entire quote. Though nobody can likely now incontrovertibly prove that motive was what inspired Mr. Ruger's remarks (FWIW, it strikes me as plausible), introducing it, rather than the mere existence of one or several guns on Ruger's site, would have been a cogent line to follow for explaining and rejecting the superficial implications of Mr. Ruger's remarks to Tom Brokaw, for that line of thought includes an element of relevant context as its basis.

Lastly, why did I think that by opening the post with Mr. Ruger's quote someone, most likely a gun rights advocate, would latch onto it in some way, shape or form?** Mainly because it has nothing to do with the actual content and themes of the post or the OP for the thread. There again, I have observed repeatedly that many gun rights advocates on USMB are keen to veer as quickly off topic as they can, grasping for whatever straw(s) they can find in an effort to deflect discussion away from the matter that is under discussion.*** So I put the quote out there as "low hanging fruit" or as a "shiny object."

**Note:
I don't know if you are a gun rights advocate. Big nets sometimes catch fish that aren't sought.

***Note:
Yes, some gun control advocates do the same, but I don't. I focus on the topic at hand, take clear positions and support them with critically obtained/develope objective data (that I provide sources for) and rigorous inductive reasoning. I'm mostly interested in having conversations only with folks who do the same.

 

[OKTexas]

Like I said you need as much ammo as it takes to stop your attackers

You think that means 1 round I think it means as many as you can have

Examples.

Don't need any because I am not trying to tell other people how much ammo they need you are

My CHL instructor said if a cop asked why you shot the guy 5 times. Your answer should be, because 4 wasn't enough and 6 would have been too many. Cops are trained to shoot until the suspect goes down, CHLs are taught to fire until there is no longer a threat. Neutralizing the threat is what it's all about.

And there is no determined set amount of rounds fired before the threat is neutralized like BrainDead seems to think

And 0 examples of anyone needing a hi cap mag for defense. Sure are lots of mass killers using them though.

Tell that to folks defending a business against riots.

 

[Brain357]

Examples.

Don't need any because I am not trying to tell other people how much ammo they need you are

My CHL instructor said if a cop asked why you shot the guy 5 times. Your answer should be, because 4 wasn't enough and 6 would have been too many. Cops are trained to shoot until the suspect goes down, CHLs are taught to fire until there is no longer a threat. Neutralizing the threat is what it's all about.

And there is no determined set amount of rounds fired before the threat is neutralized like BrainDead seems to think

And 0 examples of anyone needing a hi cap mag for defense. Sure are lots of mass killers using them though.

Tell that to folks defending a business against riots.

Show me defenders who NEEDED them.