What specific political goals/policies do you support or object to?

[pknopp]

Everybody's all for fiscal responsibility...until it means they don't get what they used to.

Mostly yes. And most likely that will continue and the excuses will be many.

 

[pknopp]

Do you support ending assistance to people who can work, but refuse to?

As a generalization I do. Now to make policy I would need to see the actual policy. Someone with a real mental illness may be technically able to work but I support assisting our weakest members of society.

I also support paying for that.

 

[Foxfyre]

What part of our debt do you agree with?

I don't know how many poll options I was allowed for this thread but I should have tried to get the debt in there. The Biden Administration spent $7 trillion--that's trillion with a T--and I defy anybody of rank and file America to identify anything they did that was good for America or Americans in general with all that money above and beyond the bare essentials. It just vanished into thin air with pretty much nothing to show for it. I'm not blaming it all on Biden either as the GOP voted some of that money too.

And yes the deficit exploded in 2020 with the economy shut down and the necessity of providing cash to deal with COVID and keep Americans from starving. That was an anomaly that had never happened before and now, with some experience, will hopefully never happen again. But it should not be included in evaluation of normal American policy.

Now Trump and his team intend to stop the bleeding as much as they can do. Musk and Ramaswamy will work as unpaid volunteers with authority to audit every facet of government and determine where the money is being wasted or deliberately misspent so that Congress and the President can fix it. It is likely some entire departments will be shown to produce so little that anybody in America wants or needs that they will be shut down. Certainly some others can be merged for efficiency and effectiveness.

We have a new sheriff and posse in town and it won't be business as usual any longer. And we should all pray that we will all benefit from what they do.

 

[g5000]

My number one issue, far above all others, is the national debt. All other issues are a distant second.

What is really infuriating is that it is so simple to solve. It just takes guts. Yet we do not allow people with courage to be elected to fix it.

We elect demagogues who promise to cut spending, and then we don't hold them accountable for ADDING to the debt. For being liars.

It drives me crazy to hear people whining about the "other" party spending too much and then not holding their own party accountable.

If you think DOGE-boi Musk is going to solve the problem, then you are more naive than you were in 2016. You've actually gotten dumber.

 

[g5000]

Do you support ending assistance to people who can work, but refuse to?

Someone keeps telling you that's a bigger problem than it really is.

Why do you think that is?

 

[pknopp]

I don't know how many poll options I was allowed for this thread but I should have tried to get the debt in there. The Biden Administration spent $7 trillion--that's trillion with a T--and I defy anybody of rank and file America to identify anything they did that was good for America or Americans in general with all that money. It just vanished into thin air with pretty much nothing to show for it. I'm not blaming it all on Biden either as the GOP voted some of that money too.

Infrastructure projects were good for America. With that said you can go back a read where I was against the program as it wasn't being paid for.

And yes the deficit exploded in 2020 with the economy shut down and the necessity of providing cash to deal with COVID and keep Americans from starving. That was an anomaly that had never happened before and now, with some experience, will hopefully never happen again. But it should not be included in normal American policy.

Now Trump and his team intend to stop the bleeding as much as they can do. Musk and Ramaswamy will work as unpaid volunteers with authority to audit every facet of government and determine where the money is being wasted or deliberately misspent so that Congress and the President can fix it. It is likely some entire departments will be shown to produce so little that anybody in America wants or needs that they will be shut down. Certainly some others can be merged for efficiency and effectiveness.

We have a new sheriff and posse in town and it won't be business as usual any longer. And we should all pray that we will all benefit from what they do.

Musk has taken billions from the taxpayers.

 

[g5000]

And yes the deficit exploded in 2020 with the economy shut down and the necessity of providing cash to deal with COVID and keep Americans from starving.

It fascinates me that Trump supporters actually bleev the deficit under Trump didn't explode until Covid.

Positively fascinates me.

This collective willful amnesia is some kind of mass mental illness.

Trump and the Republican Congress were doubling the deficit BEFORE Covid.

Trump submitted the largest budget in history BEFORE Covid.

This is what makes me so sick. To see partisans turning a willfully blind eye to the overspending of their own party.

Trump proposes record-high $4.7 trillion budget​

US budget deficit topped $1 trillion in 2019 for the first time in seven years

Trump says he wants a bigger stimulus package than the $2.2 trillion amount that Democrats are seeking​

 

[daveman]

As a generalization I do. Now to make policy I would need to see the actual policy. Someone with a real mental illness may be technically able to work but I support assisting our weakest members of society.

I also support paying for that.

Then we're in agreement.

 

[daveman]

Someone keeps telling you that's a bigger problem than it really is.

Why do you think that is?

I don't care if it's just one guy too lazy to get a job. He should be cut off.

 

[Foxfyre]

You and the entire country pay more for energy, food, goods and services because of policies you have no problem with. Hopefully MAGA fixes this country so that your opinion no longer effects the rest of us

I have no idea what you're talking about. This entire thread is about policies that exist, policies that should exist, and what needs to happen yes. Okay, I don't believe the federal government should oust the government of California and take it over. So sue me. I think that would be terrible precedent and there is no law on the books anywhere that would allow it. If you personally are so dependent on what California does, move there and run for office and fix it. I don't think many of the rest of us feel that dependent on California one way or another.

 

[daveman]

Infrastructure projects were good for America. With that said you can go back a read where I was against the program as it wasn't being paid for.




Musk has taken billions from the taxpayers.

SpaceX has delivered. Tesla? Not so much. He needs to move some aerospace engineers to Tesla to build decent vehicles. Or better yet, just shut Tesla down.

 

[Foxfyre]

It is not a private sector nor free market when a state government makes goods for the entire country more expensive

Yes. It is.

 

[Foxfyre]

Infrastructure projects were good for America. With that said you can go back a read where I was against the program as it wasn't being paid for.




Musk has taken billions from the taxpayers.

Have a nice evening. My New Years Resolution is now in effect.

 

[g5000]

Infrastructure projects were good for America.

Exactly. And Trump promised to pass infrastructure spending and he failed.

About the borrowing, there's good borrowing and bad borrowing.

If you borrow money to expand your business, that's good borrowoing.

If you borrow money to buy hookers and blow, that's bad borrowing.

Eisenhower borrowed to build our nation's interstates, and that paid off hugely.

With the CHIPS act and the IRA, Biden did a lot of good borrowing. He expanded our manufacturing sector, and we now have record factory construction going on which will result in a surge of manufacturing jobs for which Trump will take credit, of course, though he did nothing for manufacturing in his first term.

Chip making is also coming back to the US because of these bills.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of hookers and blow in those bills, too.

Musk has taken billions from the taxpayers.

Indeed. He would not be where he is today were it not for the American taxpayer.

And there is a weird curtain which falls over the eyes of Trumpies over the fact he makes electric cars to fight climate change. The very thing Trumptards are viscerally opposed to!

 

[pknopp]

SpaceX has delivered.

It doesn't matter. It's debt. The infrastructure bill delivered also. People can use that excuse to get us into all kinds of debt.

Tesla? Not so much. He needs to move some aerospace engineers to Tesla to build decent vehicles. Or better yet, just shut Tesla down.

Watch. It's mostly the left that buys EV's. Tesla sales are going to into the dumper and Musk is going to be at the White House with his hands out.

 

[Foxfyre]

It fascinates me that Trump supporters actually bleev the deficit under Trump didn't explode until Covid.

Positively fascinates me.

This collective willful amnesia is some kind of mass mental illness.

Trump and the Republican Congress were doubling the deficit BEFORE Covid.

Trump submitted the largest budget in history BEFORE Covid.

This is what makes me so sick. To see partisans turning a willfully blind eye to the overspending of their own party.

Trump proposes record-high $4.7 trillion budget​

US budget deficit topped $1 trillion in 2019 for the first time in seven years

Trump says he wants a bigger stimulus package than the $2.2 trillion amount that Democrats are seeking​

When you are able to discuss the full context go for it so long as it pertains to the OP. Until then have a nice evening.

 

[g5000]

When you are able to discuss the full context go for it so long as it pertains to the OP. Until then have a nice evening.

You brought up Biden's spending, and then tried to claim Trump's spending didn't rise until Covid.

That required immediate debunking.

 

[Foxfyre]

You brought up Biden's spending, and then tried to claim Trump's spending didn't rise until Covid.

That required immediate debunking.

Again when you are willing to discuss what I said in its full context, go for it. I won't respond to your dishonestly edited version. (But you might be more convincing if you could point to your posts denouncing the Inflation Reduction Act passed by Pelosi and Schumer.)

 

[pknopp]

Exactly. And Trump promised to pass infrastructure spending and he failed.

About the borrowing, there's good borrowing and bad borrowing.

If you borrow money to expand your business, that's good borrowoing.

If you borrow money to buy hookers and blow, that's bad borrowing.

Either way you have to pay it back.

Eisenhower borrowed to build our nation's interstates, and that paid off hugely.

With the CHIPS act and the IRA, Biden did a lot of good borrowing. He expanded our manufacturing sector, and we now have record factory construction going on which will result in a surge of manufacturing jobs for which Trump will take credit, of course, though he did nothing for manufacturing in his first term.

Chip making is also coming back to the US because of these bills.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of hookers and blow in those bills, too.

A business drowning in debt has no business taking on more. At some point the bank says "no".

But recall, Biden promised over and over and over and over to make the "rich pay their fair share" but did nothing.

Indeed. He would not be where he is today were it not for the American taxpayer.

And there is a weird curtain which falls over the eyes of Trumpies over the fact he makes electric cars to fight climate change. The very thing Trumptards are viscerally opposed to!

MAGA has no principles outside of Trump.

 

[g5000]

Again when you are willing to discuss what I said in its full context, go for it.

I did.

This is exactly what I have been talking about. This partisan blindness in people like yourself.