What must Israel do to "end the occupation"? (solutions thread)

[P F Tinmore]

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country.

They did that. The US and Israel did not like who they elected and had a coup against the elected government. Now the "PA" is US appointed.

 

[theliq]

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country.

They did that. The US and Israel did not like who they elected and had a coup against the elected government. Now the "PA" is US appointed.

O Flac,Tinnie is SO RIGHT....you are on a hiding to nothing today...the big guns have you in their sights..steve

 

[Challenger]

They need to be MORE like the Zionists. In a pragmatic kind of way..

Zionists used terrorism to get what they wanted, so why is everyone complaining when Palestinians copy Zionist methods?

 

[Hollie]

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country.

They did that. The US and Israel did not like who they elected and had a coup against the elected government. Now the "PA" is US appointed.

You are a hoot.

Your goofy conspiracy theories only impress the similarly vacant minded.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country.

They did that. The US and Israel did not like who they elected and had a coup against the elected government. Now the "PA" is US appointed.

If the PA are US and Israel lackeys, then how do they get the power to turn down all US and Israeli proposals for peace? Puppet governments can't do that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country.

They did that. The US and Israel did not like who they elected and had a coup against the elected government. Now the "PA" is US appointed.

If the PA are US and Israel lackeys, then how do they get the power to turn down all US and Israeli proposals for peace? Puppet governments can't do that.

If they had a peace agreement Israel would have to stop stealing land.

 

[teddyearp]

"I was born and brought up in South Africa and so naturally people ask me what I see of South Africa in the present situation in Palestine. Using the word apartheid to describe the way things are here, I’ve never found to be a productive step."

Only partisans that lie to themselves and brainwashed members of the electronic intifada keep using the term over and over again to borrow from the situation in south Africa and try to convince the world that Israel is the same.

It is not. I have been there and seen it with my own eyes.

 

[teddyearp]

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country.

They did that. The US and Israel did not like who they elected and had a coup against the elected government. Now the "PA" is US appointed.

You are now entering the Tinmore Zone . . . . cue the music.

 

[teddyearp]

<snip> that the old "your time is over" ploy is thrown at the wall to see if it sticks. Desperation has set in. LOL

Hahahaha! I've used that phrase about two maybe three times at most.

You're same old retinue of "I'm smarter than everyone else" and "If everyone else was as smart as me the world would be a better place" and" I don't boast, I only state facts" is a much more common theme in your posts.

 

[montelatici]

"I was born and brought up in South Africa and so naturally people ask me what I see of South Africa in the present situation in Palestine. Using the word apartheid to describe the way things are here, I’ve never found to be a productive step."

Only partisans that lie to themselves and brainwashed members of the electronic intifada keep using the term over and over again to borrow from the situation in south Africa and try to convince the world that Israel is the same.

It is not. I have been there and seen it with my own eyes.

I have been to South Africa before and after Apartheid and have been to Israel on numerous occasions as well. As all that have experienced both have stated, Israeli is an Apartheid state.

It isn't Electronic Intifada that claims Israel is an Apartheid state, it is everyone that is not brainwashed.

But, it isn't just me, it is the Israelis themselves that use a Hebrew term for Apartheid. You are the psoter child for cognizant dissonance.

"The irony is that the idea of evoking the term “apartheid” to describe Israel’s treatment of Palestinians was not invented by Israel’s enemies, let alone Arabs and Palestinians, but by Israel itself. For decades, Israeli officials have employed the Hebrew term Hafrada (“Separation” or “Segregation”) to describe Israel’s governing policy in the West Bank and Gaza, and its attempts to separate the Palestinian population from both the Israeli population and the Jewish settlers population in the occupied Palestinian territories. The so-called Israeli West Bank Barrier, known in Hebrew as “Gader Ha-Hafrada” (“Separation Fence”), was built on this Hafrada vision."
Is Israel an Apartheid State? | Foreign Policy Journal

 

[Hollie]

"I was born and brought up in South Africa and so naturally people ask me what I see of South Africa in the present situation in Palestine. Using the word apartheid to describe the way things are here, I’ve never found to be a productive step."

Only partisans that lie to themselves and brainwashed members of the electronic intifada keep using the term over and over again to borrow from the situation in south Africa and try to convince the world that Israel is the same.

It is not. I have been there and seen it with my own eyes.

I have been to South Africa before and after Apartheid and have been to Israel on numerous occasions as well. As all that have experienced both have stated, Israeli is an Apartheid state.

It isn't Electronic Intifada that claims Israel is an Apartheid state, it is everyone that is not brainwashed.

But, it isn't just me, it is the Israelis themselves that use a Hebrew term for Apartheid. You are the psoter child for cognizant dissonance.

"The irony is that the idea of evoking the term “apartheid” to describe Israel’s treatment of Palestinians was not invented by Israel’s enemies, let alone Arabs and Palestinians, but by Israel itself. For decades, Israeli officials have employed the Hebrew term Hafrada (“Separation” or “Segregation”) to describe Israel’s governing policy in the West Bank and Gaza, and its attempts to separate the Palestinian population from both the Israeli population and the Jewish settlers population in the occupied Palestinian territories. The so-called Israeli West Bank Barrier, known in Hebrew as “Gader Ha-Hafrada” (“Separation Fence”), was built on this Hafrada vision."
Is Israel an Apartheid State? | Foreign Policy Journal

"I have been to South Africa before and after Apartheid and have been to Israel on numerous occasions as well. As all that have experienced both have stated, Israeli is an Apartheid state. "

It's important to note that Monty also believes he commands the French forces at Waterloo.

 

[flacaltenn]

They need to be MORE like the Zionists. In a pragmatic kind of way..

Zionists used terrorism to get what they wanted, so why is everyone complaining when Palestinians copy Zionist methods?

You're ignoring all the HARD diplomatic efforts, the lobbying, the PLANNING, the fund raising, the coalition building, the Congresses, the city planning and infrastructure priorities. A movement FOCUSED on creating a nation. YOU -- will kick back the few instances of self-protection or violence that happened along the way. But in balance, they were not the PRIMARY method of "resisting" or getting attention for the cause.

 

[louie888]

They need to be MORE like the Zionists. In a pragmatic kind of way..

Zionists used terrorism to get what they wanted, so why is everyone complaining when Palestinians copy Zionist methods?

You're ignoring all the HARD diplomatic efforts, the lobbying, the PLANNING, the fund raising, the coalition building, the Congresses, the city planning and infrastructure priorities. A movement FOCUSED on creating a nation. YOU -- will kick back the few instances of self-protection or violence that happened along the way. But in balance, they were not the PRIMARY method of "resisting" or getting attention for the cause.

It's OK to "believe" Israeli propaganda if that's your bag.

 

[Shusha]

Its hard to argue with success. Who HAS a State? And not just a State, but a high tech, high happiness, high quality of life, economically sound and rising, by any measurable account successful State?

 

[montelatici]

I can't believe that the Jews can really be that happy to have to oppress millions of non-Jews to maintain their rule. But I may be wrong.

 

[louie888]

Its hard to argue with success. Who HAS a State? And not just a State, but a high tech, high happiness, high quality of life, economically sound and rising, by any measurable account successful State?

Wait a sec. You and your ilk are in here daily whining about suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, and billions of terrorists wiping you off the map ad nauseum.

Now you are finally admitting that these are just lies for propaganda purposes?

SWEET!

 

[Shusha]

Its hard to argue with success. Who HAS a State? And not just a State, but a high tech, high happiness, high quality of life, economically sound and rising, by any measurable account successful State?

Wait a sec. You and your ilk are in here daily whining about suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, billions of terrorists wiping you off the map, suicide bombers, rockets, and billions of terrorists wiping you off the map ad nauseum.

Now you are finally admitting that these are just lies for propaganda purposes?

Israeli definition of a successful State: high tech, high happiness, high quality of life, economically sound and rising.... DESPITE the fact that we have endured 100 years of attacks of various sorts.

Palestinian definition of a successful non-State: we sent a 13 year old girl out to stab a single innocent Israeli, she missed, LEOs killed her. Whoo hoo! We rock!

 

[Shusha]

I can't believe that the Jews can really be that happy to have to oppress millions of non-Jews to maintain their rule. But I may be wrong.

What makes you think the Jewish people are happy with the status quo?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I can't believe that the Jews can really be that happy to have to oppress millions of non-Jews to maintain their rule. But I may be wrong.

What makes you think the Jewish people are happy with the status quo?

The Zionists imported settlers by the boatload to be cannon fodder for their colonial project. A lot of people are being hurt by their project.

 

[Hollie]

I can't believe that the Jews can really be that happy to have to oppress millions of non-Jews to maintain their rule. But I may be wrong.

Of course you're wrong. The Jewish people are forced to take measures to defend themselves from those who hold to an ideology of hate and retrogression.

Until Islamism meets with a massive reform and enlightenment movement, it will continue to be unfit for the modern world, and we will continue to see a steady uptick in the devastating terror attacks of Islamic gee-had.