What must Israel do to "end the occupation"? (solutions thread)

I intend this thread to be a "solutions" thread like those on the one, two and no more state solutions threads. For those not familiar with those threads -- the intent is not to re-hash the same old, same old, but to provide detailed, concrete suggestions for solving the conflict and moving forward.

The common refrain from the Palestinian side is that Israel must "end the occupation". What does that mean in concrete terms? What specific steps (military, practical, economic, political, legal) should Israel take? Do you think this should be done step-by-step or all at once? What measurable conditions will count the occupation ended?

Please be as specific as possible. For example, "end the blockade of Gaza" is too vague.

Be prepared to defend your proposals and explain why they are practical and will lead to an end of conflict agreement.
What Israel needs to do to end the occupation, is get me a date with Gal Gadot. I will gladly throw a Palestinian (of your choosing) under the bus, if you get me a date with her.

I don't know who Gal Gadot is but she must be a super fox which you lust after. Hedonist thou be! : )
 
I intend this thread to be a "solutions" thread like those on the one, two and no more state solutions threads. For those not familiar with those threads -- the intent is not to re-hash the same old, same old, but to provide detailed, concrete suggestions for solving the conflict and moving forward.

The common refrain from the Palestinian side is that Israel must "end the occupation". What does that mean in concrete terms? What specific steps (military, practical, economic, political, legal) should Israel take? Do you think this should be done step-by-step or all at once? What measurable conditions will count the occupation ended?

Please be as specific as possible. For example, "end the blockade of Gaza" is too vague.

Be prepared to defend your proposals and explain why they are practical and will lead to an end of conflict agreement.
What Israel needs to do to end the occupation, is get me a date with Gal Gadot. I will gladly throw a Palestinian (of your choosing) under the bus, if you get me a date with her.

I don't know who Gal Gadot is but she must be a super fox which you lust after. Hedonist thou be! : )
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Happy to help...
 
Take it easy, punk.

The Zionist came from Europe. Where did you think they came from? I am neither Muslim nor Arab, but I do support my fellow Christians, the Palestinians.
The Jews of Israel are a mixture of Middle Eastern and European and Russian genetic heritage...

Not bad, for a people who have held onto their collective identity for 1800+ years between the Destruction of the Temple and the founding of modern-day Israel...

Your laughable, silly little pissant Muslim-Arab Palestinian brethren couldn't hold onto their unity for 18 years, never mind 1800...

The Jews of Israel re-gathered under the pressure of the post-Holocaust era, as the spiritual and genetic heirs of the Jews of the Israel of Antiquity.

Where their immediate ancestors came from stopped being relevant decades ago.

They fought and carved-out a new place for themselves in the world; on the soil of their ancient precursors.

They fought.

They won.

They borrowed a play from the ancient Muslim playbook - territorial acquisition by conquest, fueled by religious passion.

They gave Muslims a long-overdue taste of their own medicine in that region, and, along the way, repaid them for centuries of Dhimmitude throughout the domains of Islam.

The Jews won, against Muslims, for the first time in history, and Muslims are besides themselves with disbelief and shame and anger and stupidity.

The Jews now hold the land; they hold the political and economic and military power; they are there to stay, they want the rest of Eretz Yisrael back, and they're going to get it.

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Here is where they are going...

1922-mandate_for_palestine.jpg


Here is how close they already are to realizing that goal, according to your own propaganda maps...

BillboardPoster_500x750_Top.jpg


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You're well into the End Game, and the clock is running out.

Your Muslim neighbor-brethren have had their asses kicked, repeatedly, trying to come to your aid, and they've pretty much given-up on the Mad Dog Palestinians.

Your Muslim neighbor-brethren are also far weaker politically and economically and militarily than they have been at any time since the end of WWII.

They're falling apart, from within, and lack the time, money and incentive to stand alongside you in military solidarity any longer.

Consequently, there is no longer any Muslim cavalry coming over the hill in the nick of time to rescue your sorry, lame, pathetic arses.

Besides...

What's left of Rump Palestine wouldn't add-up to a decent-sized township or county in most parts of the world.

Certainly not enough left to be worth fighting about, against staggeringly overwhelming odds.

And... great fun, this... what little is left of your global opinion-eliciting efforts, like BDS, are dying a long, slow, ignoble, ignominious death.

The very last, pathetic shred of hope you had, was when Obama held office, and acted in a vaguely unfriendly manner against Israel.

With Trump and hardline Conservatives ascendant now in America, and the UK, and elsewhere, you have far fewer friends and sympathizers in positions of power.

And that's not going to change anytime soon, as you slide further into the abyss of political disintegration and oblivion, as all Failed States do.

It's over.

Time for the weak and foolish Muslim-Arabs still squatting within the borders of Eretz Yisrael to pack up and leave.

The moral of the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948?

Vae victis.

Or, put another way...

"He who pisses his pants, and runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day." - Kondor3, 2010

Funny stuff... couldn't happen to a nicer collection of riff-raff and scum.

It's over.

Leave.

While you still can.

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As to your claim to be a Christian (as opposed to the full-time Muslim-Arab ass-kisser that you're known to be)... nobody believes you.

Pissant.

There are rudimentary posting skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you, maggot.

But, given that I read your post let's get afew things straight.

1. The European Jews are Europeans, they have hardly any genetic relationship to the indigenous people of Palestine whose desendants are, amazingly, the people that the Europeans found living there when they began establishing their colony. Links to scientific journals reporting the European genetic heritage of the European Jews have been provided ad infinitum. As far as the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, every non-partisan and even Zionist partisans know the truth.

From www.eretzyisroel.org, far from a pro-Palestinian website:

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

2. Posting propaganda maps drawn in 2005 is entertaining and shows how weak your attempt at rationalizing the justness of the European colonization of Palestine. It was simply a land grab combined with ethnic cleansing.

3. The whites in South Africa and Rhodesia were confident that their military superiority would allow them to maintain their rule over the non-whites. While it may take more time, as white brainwashed Christians will support Jews over their own kind, the result will be the same in Israel as they were in those other settler colonies. Eventually, the native people will regain their rights to their land. The question is, which of the two scenarios will the Jews earn for themselves. It depends on them and how they behave.

Punk.

None of that has a bearing on a solution given the REALITIES of this Millenium. You're of NO help here at all. And hopelessly lost in ancient demographics and irrelevant factoids.

And those refugees IMPRISONED in 5 or 6 countries are not impressed with your ability to get them out of the camps. If it's Apartheid to you when it's in Israel -- Then by your faulty definition, it's ALSO APARTHEID in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. But it's not Apartheid if the target population doesn't WANT to be citizens. This is NOT a solely Israeli issue to fix.

It's Apartheid when the native population is subjected to Apartheid policies. Migrants/refugees can, in fact be separated from the local population and do not necessarily have to be given citizenship by the host country. This is borne out in Europe as migrants flood into the EU.

In addition, a majority of Palestinians no longer support the establishment of a Palestinian state in a two-state solution as most believe it is no longer is feasible.

"A poll of Israelis and Palestinians released last month found that 44 per cent of Palestinians said they supported the two-state solution."
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It's an OCCUPATION, not a native population. They have no DESIRE or CLAIM to be citizens of Israel. Thus, any unequal treatment is due to their status as residents of a "conquered" province with no real claim to SOVEREIGNTY of that land. Since the government and the ARMY last claiming sovereignty of that land was JORDAN -- not Palestine. Even clearer as REFUGEE status in the neighboring Arab countries.They have no CLAIM or EXPECTATION of citizenship rights.
Even clearer as REFUGEE status in the neighboring Arab countries.They have no CLAIM or EXPECTATION of citizenship rights.​

Not true. According to the rule of state succession under international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens.
 
The Jews of Israel are a mixture of Middle Eastern and European and Russian genetic heritage...

Not bad, for a people who have held onto their collective identity for 1800+ years between the Destruction of the Temple and the founding of modern-day Israel...

Your laughable, silly little pissant Muslim-Arab Palestinian brethren couldn't hold onto their unity for 18 years, never mind 1800...

The Jews of Israel re-gathered under the pressure of the post-Holocaust era, as the spiritual and genetic heirs of the Jews of the Israel of Antiquity.

Where their immediate ancestors came from stopped being relevant decades ago.

They fought and carved-out a new place for themselves in the world; on the soil of their ancient precursors.

They fought.

They won.

They borrowed a play from the ancient Muslim playbook - territorial acquisition by conquest, fueled by religious passion.

They gave Muslims a long-overdue taste of their own medicine in that region, and, along the way, repaid them for centuries of Dhimmitude throughout the domains of Islam.

The Jews won, against Muslims, for the first time in history, and Muslims are besides themselves with disbelief and shame and anger and stupidity.

The Jews now hold the land; they hold the political and economic and military power; they are there to stay, they want the rest of Eretz Yisrael back, and they're going to get it.

====================================================================

Here is where they are going...

1922-mandate_for_palestine.jpg


Here is how close they already are to realizing that goal, according to your own propaganda maps...

BillboardPoster_500x750_Top.jpg


===================================================================

You're well into the End Game, and the clock is running out.

Your Muslim neighbor-brethren have had their asses kicked, repeatedly, trying to come to your aid, and they've pretty much given-up on the Mad Dog Palestinians.

Your Muslim neighbor-brethren are also far weaker politically and economically and militarily than they have been at any time since the end of WWII.

They're falling apart, from within, and lack the time, money and incentive to stand alongside you in military solidarity any longer.

Consequently, there is no longer any Muslim cavalry coming over the hill in the nick of time to rescue your sorry, lame, pathetic arses.

Besides...

What's left of Rump Palestine wouldn't add-up to a decent-sized township or county in most parts of the world.

Certainly not enough left to be worth fighting about, against staggeringly overwhelming odds.

And... great fun, this... what little is left of your global opinion-eliciting efforts, like BDS, are dying a long, slow, ignoble, ignominious death.

The very last, pathetic shred of hope you had, was when Obama held office, and acted in a vaguely unfriendly manner against Israel.

With Trump and hardline Conservatives ascendant now in America, and the UK, and elsewhere, you have far fewer friends and sympathizers in positions of power.

And that's not going to change anytime soon, as you slide further into the abyss of political disintegration and oblivion, as all Failed States do.

It's over.

Time for the weak and foolish Muslim-Arabs still squatting within the borders of Eretz Yisrael to pack up and leave.

The moral of the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948?

Vae victis.

Or, put another way...

"He who pisses his pants, and runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day." - Kondor3, 2010

Funny stuff... couldn't happen to a nicer collection of riff-raff and scum.

It's over.

Leave.

While you still can.

===============================================================================================

As to your claim to be a Christian (as opposed to the full-time Muslim-Arab ass-kisser that you're known to be)... nobody believes you.

Pissant.

There are rudimentary posting skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you, maggot.

But, given that I read your post let's get afew things straight.

1. The European Jews are Europeans, they have hardly any genetic relationship to the indigenous people of Palestine whose desendants are, amazingly, the people that the Europeans found living there when they began establishing their colony. Links to scientific journals reporting the European genetic heritage of the European Jews have been provided ad infinitum. As far as the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, every non-partisan and even Zionist partisans know the truth.

From www.eretzyisroel.org, far from a pro-Palestinian website:

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

2. Posting propaganda maps drawn in 2005 is entertaining and shows how weak your attempt at rationalizing the justness of the European colonization of Palestine. It was simply a land grab combined with ethnic cleansing.

3. The whites in South Africa and Rhodesia were confident that their military superiority would allow them to maintain their rule over the non-whites. While it may take more time, as white brainwashed Christians will support Jews over their own kind, the result will be the same in Israel as they were in those other settler colonies. Eventually, the native people will regain their rights to their land. The question is, which of the two scenarios will the Jews earn for themselves. It depends on them and how they behave.

Punk.

None of that has a bearing on a solution given the REALITIES of this Millenium. You're of NO help here at all. And hopelessly lost in ancient demographics and irrelevant factoids.

And those refugees IMPRISONED in 5 or 6 countries are not impressed with your ability to get them out of the camps. If it's Apartheid to you when it's in Israel -- Then by your faulty definition, it's ALSO APARTHEID in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. But it's not Apartheid if the target population doesn't WANT to be citizens. This is NOT a solely Israeli issue to fix.

It's Apartheid when the native population is subjected to Apartheid policies. Migrants/refugees can, in fact be separated from the local population and do not necessarily have to be given citizenship by the host country. This is borne out in Europe as migrants flood into the EU.

In addition, a majority of Palestinians no longer support the establishment of a Palestinian state in a two-state solution as most believe it is no longer is feasible.

"A poll of Israelis and Palestinians released last month found that 44 per cent of Palestinians said they supported the two-state solution."
Subscribe to read

It's an OCCUPATION, not a native population. They have no DESIRE or CLAIM to be citizens of Israel. Thus, any unequal treatment is due to their status as residents of a "conquered" province with no real claim to SOVEREIGNTY of that land. Since the government and the ARMY last claiming sovereignty of that land was JORDAN -- not Palestine. Even clearer as REFUGEE status in the neighboring Arab countries.They have no CLAIM or EXPECTATION of citizenship rights.
Even clearer as REFUGEE status in the neighboring Arab countries.They have no CLAIM or EXPECTATION of citizenship rights.​

Not true. According to the rule of state succession under international law, Palestinian refugees are Israeli citizens.

There is a reason why people point and laugh when you issue these silly Timore Legal Decrees™
 
...The Palestinians GET UP,AND STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS.....They are not like Zionist Scum who hid in corners to partake in their CRUELEST FORM OF TERRORISM......Say NO to Zionist Terrorism
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Palestinians standing up for their rights?

They can stand up for them, all they like, from the East Bank of the Jordan River, where they belong.

Excerpt from newspaper ad from Tel Aviv, 1948...

"For Sale: 50,000 Palestinian militia rifles. Great condition. Never fired, and only dropped once. Inquire at..."

Maybe your pissant Palestinians should not have angered the British in the 1930s, to the point where they were half-disarmed, eh?

Maybe your pissant Palestinians should have stood their ground, rather than running like rabbits in 1948, and letting their neighbors do their fighting for them.

Vae victus.

As to Palestinian scum trying to assign the same label to Israelis, well...

Good one... funny stuff, that... thanks for the laugh... that made my morning...
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.
 
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There are rudimentary posting skills<snip> Sort of like parking in a handicap space.<snip> , maggot.<snip>
Punk.
Monti, you are a funny guy. Claim someone else has poor posting skills while calling them names like a little child in the sandbox.

Face it. Your time is over. The time for the endless rehashing of old events is unproductive.
 
It's Apartheid when the native population is subjected to Apartheid policies.

It cannot be Apartheid. Apartheid is a South African term. Invented by the South Africans from their language for the South Africans. Why not at least try to think for yourselves?
 
It's Apartheid when the native population is subjected to Apartheid policies.

It cannot be Apartheid. Apartheid is a South African term. Invented by the South Africans from their language for the South Africans. Why not at least try to think for yourselves?

Why don't we ask a South African then. A Nobel prize winner no less.

Every neutral party knows Israel is an Apartheid state. Only partisans that lie to themselves, brainwashed Israel Firsters and people with severe cases of cognizant dissonance, think otherwise.





“I came to Palestine to see and listen and learn and over the course of the past week I have seen and heard and learned a great deal. I come away with an enduring impression of the courage and the resilience of the Palestinian people at this difficult time in their history. Also of the grace and humour with which they respond to the frustrations and the humiliations of their occupation.

I was born and brought up in South Africa and so naturally people ask me what I see of South Africa in the present situation in Palestine. Using the word apartheid to describe the way things are here, I’ve never found to be a productive step. Like using the word genocide to describe what happened in Turkey in the 1920s, using the word apartheid diverts one into an inflamed semantic wrangle, which cuts short the opportunities of analysis.

Apartheid was a system of enforced segregation based on race or ethnicity, put in place by an exclusive, self-defined group in order to consolidate colonial conquest particular to cement its hold on the land and on natural resources. In Jerusalem and in the West Bank — to speak only of Jerusalem and the West Bank — we see a system of enforced segregation based on religion and ethnicity, put in place by an exclusive self-defined group to consolidate a colonial conquest, in particular to maintain and indeed extend its hold on the land and its natural resources."

Draw your own conclusions.


JM Coetzee on Israeli occupation and South African apartheid: "Draw your own conclusions" - The Daily Vox
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.
 
There are rudimentary posting skills<snip> Sort of like parking in a handicap space.<snip> , maggot.<snip>
Punk.
Monti, you are a funny guy. Claim someone else has poor posting skills while calling them names like a little child in the sandbox.

Face it. Your time is over. The time for the endless rehashing of old events is unproductive.

It was a response to an internet bully that insults other posters in a much less eloquent way. You really need to keep up.

Finally, the facts have become so overwhelming that the old "your time is over" ploy is thrown at the wall to see if it sticks. Desperation has set in. LOL
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.

The UNSC issued 76 Resolutions last year. Only one was related to Israel, Resolution 2334 (2016). Six were related to Syria. UNGA resolutions do not have legal status unless the UNSC deems them to.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Resolutions adopted by the United Nations Security Council in 2016
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.

The UNSC issued 76 Resolutions last year. Only one was related to Israel, Resolution 2334 (2016). Six were related to Syria. UNGA resolutions do not have legal status unless the UNSC deems them to.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Resolutions adopted by the United Nations Security Council in 2016

On the other hand:


UNGA adopts 20 resolutions against Israel, 6 on rest of world combined - UN Watch
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.
The UN - the "New York Old Ladies International Debating Society" - isn't going to do anything of any import with respect to Israel.

The Israelis look at most UN resolutions and then reprint them en masse as decoration on their toilet tissue.... suitable for wiping their arses, but not much else.

And, now that B. Hussein Obama is out of the White House, the Security Council isn't going to do squat, either.

As to the world tolerating mass ejection... hell, if the Israels decide to do that, the whole thing will be over within two weeks... not enough time to stop it.
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.
The UN - the "New York Old Ladies International Debating Society" - isn't going to do anything of any import with respect to Israel.

The Israelis look at most UN resolutions and then reprint them en masse as decoration on their toilet tissue.... suitable for wiping their arses, but not much else.

And, now that B. Hussein Obama is out of the White House, the Security Council isn't going to do squat, either.

As to the world tolerating mass ejection... hell, if the Israels decide to do that, the whole thing will be over within two weeks... not enough time to stop it.

Israel isn't going to "mass eject" anyone you idiot.
 
...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.
The UN - the "New York Old Ladies International Debating Society" - isn't going to do anything of any import with respect to Israel.

The Israelis look at most UN resolutions and then reprint them en masse as decoration on their toilet tissue.... suitable for wiping their arses, but not much else.

And, now that B. Hussein Obama is out of the White House, the Security Council isn't going to do squat, either.

As to the world tolerating mass ejection... hell, if the Israels decide to do that, the whole thing will be over within two weeks... not enough time to stop it.

Israel isn't going to "mass eject" anyone you idiot.
Piss off, Achmed... nobody asked you.
 
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...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.
The UN - the "New York Old Ladies International Debating Society" - isn't going to do anything of any import with respect to Israel.

The Israelis look at most UN resolutions and then reprint them en masse as decoration on their toilet tissue.... suitable for wiping their arses, but not much else.

And, now that B. Hussein Obama is out of the White House, the Security Council isn't going to do squat, either.

As to the world tolerating mass ejection... hell, if the Israels decide to do that, the whole thing will be over within two weeks... not enough time to stop it.

Israel isn't going to "mass eject" anyone you idiot.
Piss off, Achmed... nobody asked you.

I told you, I don't need to be asked, punk.
 
The Jews of Israel are a mixture of Middle Eastern and European and Russian genetic heritage...

Not bad, for a people who have held onto their collective identity for 1800+ years between the Destruction of the Temple and the founding of modern-day Israel...

Your laughable, silly little pissant Muslim-Arab Palestinian brethren couldn't hold onto their unity for 18 years, never mind 1800...

The Jews of Israel re-gathered under the pressure of the post-Holocaust era, as the spiritual and genetic heirs of the Jews of the Israel of Antiquity.

Where their immediate ancestors came from stopped being relevant decades ago.

They fought and carved-out a new place for themselves in the world; on the soil of their ancient precursors.

They fought.

They won.

They borrowed a play from the ancient Muslim playbook - territorial acquisition by conquest, fueled by religious passion.

They gave Muslims a long-overdue taste of their own medicine in that region, and, along the way, repaid them for centuries of Dhimmitude throughout the domains of Islam.

The Jews won, against Muslims, for the first time in history, and Muslims are besides themselves with disbelief and shame and anger and stupidity.

The Jews now hold the land; they hold the political and economic and military power; they are there to stay, they want the rest of Eretz Yisrael back, and they're going to get it.

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Here is where they are going...

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Here is how close they already are to realizing that goal, according to your own propaganda maps...

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You're well into the End Game, and the clock is running out.

Your Muslim neighbor-brethren have had their asses kicked, repeatedly, trying to come to your aid, and they've pretty much given-up on the Mad Dog Palestinians.

Your Muslim neighbor-brethren are also far weaker politically and economically and militarily than they have been at any time since the end of WWII.

They're falling apart, from within, and lack the time, money and incentive to stand alongside you in military solidarity any longer.

Consequently, there is no longer any Muslim cavalry coming over the hill in the nick of time to rescue your sorry, lame, pathetic arses.

Besides...

What's left of Rump Palestine wouldn't add-up to a decent-sized township or county in most parts of the world.

Certainly not enough left to be worth fighting about, against staggeringly overwhelming odds.

And... great fun, this... what little is left of your global opinion-eliciting efforts, like BDS, are dying a long, slow, ignoble, ignominious death.

The very last, pathetic shred of hope you had, was when Obama held office, and acted in a vaguely unfriendly manner against Israel.

With Trump and hardline Conservatives ascendant now in America, and the UK, and elsewhere, you have far fewer friends and sympathizers in positions of power.

And that's not going to change anytime soon, as you slide further into the abyss of political disintegration and oblivion, as all Failed States do.

It's over.

Time for the weak and foolish Muslim-Arabs still squatting within the borders of Eretz Yisrael to pack up and leave.

The moral of the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948?

Vae victis.

Or, put another way...

"He who pisses his pants, and runs away, lives to regret it, for many a day." - Kondor3, 2010

Funny stuff... couldn't happen to a nicer collection of riff-raff and scum.

It's over.

Leave.

While you still can.

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As to your claim to be a Christian (as opposed to the full-time Muslim-Arab ass-kisser that you're known to be)... nobody believes you.

Pissant.

There are rudimentary posting skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you, maggot.

But, given that I read your post let's get afew things straight.

1. The European Jews are Europeans, they have hardly any genetic relationship to the indigenous people of Palestine whose desendants are, amazingly, the people that the Europeans found living there when they began establishing their colony. Links to scientific journals reporting the European genetic heritage of the European Jews have been provided ad infinitum. As far as the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, every non-partisan and even Zionist partisans know the truth.

From www.eretzyisroel.org, far from a pro-Palestinian website:

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

2. Posting propaganda maps drawn in 2005 is entertaining and shows how weak your attempt at rationalizing the justness of the European colonization of Palestine. It was simply a land grab combined with ethnic cleansing.

3. The whites in South Africa and Rhodesia were confident that their military superiority would allow them to maintain their rule over the non-whites. While it may take more time, as white brainwashed Christians will support Jews over their own kind, the result will be the same in Israel as they were in those other settler colonies. Eventually, the native people will regain their rights to their land. The question is, which of the two scenarios will the Jews earn for themselves. It depends on them and how they behave.

Punk.

None of that has a bearing on a solution given the REALITIES of this Millenium. You're of NO help here at all. And hopelessly lost in ancient demographics and irrelevant factoids.

And those refugees IMPRISONED in 5 or 6 countries are not impressed with your ability to get them out of the camps. If it's Apartheid to you when it's in Israel -- Then by your faulty definition, it's ALSO APARTHEID in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. But it's not Apartheid if the target population doesn't WANT to be citizens. This is NOT a solely Israeli issue to fix.

It's Apartheid when the native population is subjected to Apartheid policies. Migrants/refugees can, in fact be separated from the local population and do not necessarily have to be given citizenship by the host country. This is borne out in Europe as migrants flood into the EU.

In addition, a majority of Palestinians no longer support the establishment of a Palestinian state in a two-state solution as most believe it is no longer is feasible.

"A poll of Israelis and Palestinians released last month found that 44 per cent of Palestinians said they supported the two-state solution."
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It's an OCCUPATION, not a native population. They have no DESIRE or CLAIM to be citizens of Israel. Thus, any unequal treatment is due to their status as residents of a "conquered" province with no real claim to SOVEREIGNTY of that land. Since the government and the ARMY last claiming sovereignty of that land was JORDAN -- not Palestine. Even clearer as REFUGEE status in the neighboring Arab countries.They have no CLAIM or EXPECTATION of citizenship rights.
Says YOU....The Palestinians GET UP,AND STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS.....They are not like Zionist Scum who hid in corners to partake in their CRUELEST FORM OF TERRORISM......Say NO to Zionist Terrorism

You think the Palis what citizen rights in Israel? Of course they don't. So it's not apartheid. It's some form of resistance that's destroying generation after generation of them. A couple million in WORSE shape in Arab countries than in Israel. And THAT is not debatable.

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country. And since that part has never really happened for the Palis in recent history -- SOME OTHERS have to do that NOW -- or the ship will leave the dock..

In fact, my Aussie bud -- what they NEED is a "Zionist Organization". One dedicated to consolidating a HOMELAND where they can prosper and quit wasting their children.. If you look at the Zionist movement, it always had a "congress" and "leadership" -- before it GOT the opportunity to form a nation..

They need to be MORE like the Zionists. In a pragmatic kind of way..
 
There are rudimentary posting skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you, maggot.

But, given that I read your post let's get afew things straight.

1. The European Jews are Europeans, they have hardly any genetic relationship to the indigenous people of Palestine whose desendants are, amazingly, the people that the Europeans found living there when they began establishing their colony. Links to scientific journals reporting the European genetic heritage of the European Jews have been provided ad infinitum. As far as the Muslims and Christians of Palestine, every non-partisan and even Zionist partisans know the truth.

From www.eretzyisroel.org, far from a pro-Palestinian website:

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam..."

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

2. Posting propaganda maps drawn in 2005 is entertaining and shows how weak your attempt at rationalizing the justness of the European colonization of Palestine. It was simply a land grab combined with ethnic cleansing.

3. The whites in South Africa and Rhodesia were confident that their military superiority would allow them to maintain their rule over the non-whites. While it may take more time, as white brainwashed Christians will support Jews over their own kind, the result will be the same in Israel as they were in those other settler colonies. Eventually, the native people will regain their rights to their land. The question is, which of the two scenarios will the Jews earn for themselves. It depends on them and how they behave.

Punk.

None of that has a bearing on a solution given the REALITIES of this Millenium. You're of NO help here at all. And hopelessly lost in ancient demographics and irrelevant factoids.

And those refugees IMPRISONED in 5 or 6 countries are not impressed with your ability to get them out of the camps. If it's Apartheid to you when it's in Israel -- Then by your faulty definition, it's ALSO APARTHEID in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Egypt. But it's not Apartheid if the target population doesn't WANT to be citizens. This is NOT a solely Israeli issue to fix.

It's Apartheid when the native population is subjected to Apartheid policies. Migrants/refugees can, in fact be separated from the local population and do not necessarily have to be given citizenship by the host country. This is borne out in Europe as migrants flood into the EU.

In addition, a majority of Palestinians no longer support the establishment of a Palestinian state in a two-state solution as most believe it is no longer is feasible.

"A poll of Israelis and Palestinians released last month found that 44 per cent of Palestinians said they supported the two-state solution."
Subscribe to read

It's an OCCUPATION, not a native population. They have no DESIRE or CLAIM to be citizens of Israel. Thus, any unequal treatment is due to their status as residents of a "conquered" province with no real claim to SOVEREIGNTY of that land. Since the government and the ARMY last claiming sovereignty of that land was JORDAN -- not Palestine. Even clearer as REFUGEE status in the neighboring Arab countries.They have no CLAIM or EXPECTATION of citizenship rights.
Says YOU....The Palestinians GET UP,AND STAND UP FOR THEIR RIGHTS.....They are not like Zionist Scum who hid in corners to partake in their CRUELEST FORM OF TERRORISM......Say NO to Zionist Terrorism

You think the Palis what citizen rights in Israel? Of course they don't. So it's not apartheid. It's some form of resistance that's destroying generation after generation of them. A couple million in WORSE shape in Arab countries than in Israel. And THAT is not debatable.

Does no good to "stand up for your rights" if you don't PARTICIPATE in creating institutions and representative govt to FORM a country. And since that part has never really happened for the Palis in recent history -- SOME OTHERS have to do that NOW -- or the ship will leave the dock..

In fact, my Aussie bud -- what they NEED is a "Zionist Organization". One dedicated to consolidating a HOMELAND where they can prosper and quit wasting their children.. If you look at the Zionist movement, it always had a "congress" and "leadership" -- before it GOT the opportunity to form a nation..

They need to be MORE like the Zionists. In a pragmatic kind of way..
Are you feeling well,why would anyone want to be anything like the CULT which is Zionism....They have absolutely NO MORAL FABRIC,shown clearly when they with Nazi help sent hundreds of thousands of Jews to the Charnels .......Flac,stop now and forever hold thy tongue.....Zionism a man made Cult by a Gay,Atheist Mad Synthetic Jew who had No lineage to Abraham....Sorry Flac....Semitic Palestinians NO CAN DO......because they are Real people....not a Motely herd of illegal immigrant converts from God knows where,who have no right being in Palestine......
 
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...Jordan ceded sovereignty and any claims on the land to the Palestinians, the native population which has inherent sovereign rights even when their land is occupied by colonisers. On 14th May 1948 everyone within the territory claimed by the new state of Israel became citizens of the new state. Unfortunately if they happened to be Muslims, they were by and large subsequently ethnically cleansed by the Jewish colonisers. Technically the refugees have a valid claim to citizenship of Israel should the Zionist regime ever allow it.
Doesn't matter... you can wipe your arse with those citations and expectations...

What little is left of Muslim-controlled Gaza and the West Bank will be emptied of squatters (so-called Palestinians) over the next few years...

They will be the source of the next Great Refugee Crisis, and it will be Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt who end-up being obliged to take them in...

Just as well... such is the destiny of many Failed States... population shifts and large-scale flight from such environs and conditions...

They'll be happier amongst their co-religionists and ethnic brethren, anyway...

Should have happened long, long ago...

Once the 70-year-old Part-Time War is over, the region can move on with far more important things, with some modicum of peace.

You would be correct if we were talking about Kashmir or Cyprus or Chechnya or even Crimea. But we're talking about Israel/Palestine here, an issue that the world is obsessed with. On the average, the U.N. makes about 20 anti-Israel resolutions a year, as opposed to about 3 or 4 for the rest of the world. Despite that map that you always post, there are alot of Palestinians in the West Bank, and the anti-Semitic world will not tolerate millions of them being expelled. So I don't see a solution in the near future for this situation.
The UN - the "New York Old Ladies International Debating Society" - isn't going to do anything of any import with respect to Israel.

The Israelis look at most UN resolutions and then reprint them en masse as decoration on their toilet tissue.... suitable for wiping their arses, but not much else.

And, now that B. Hussein Obama is out of the White House, the Security Council isn't going to do squat, either.

As to the world tolerating mass ejection... hell, if the Israels decide to do that, the whole thing will be over within two weeks... not enough time to stop it.
But Kondie,Jews will be targeted world wide....is that really what you want?????Come on man,get real...steve
 
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