What makes you support one or the other?

[Beelzebub]

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

Surely you know you disprove nothing. Proof requires agreement on fundamental principles, and agreed facts. There are neither of those things here.

All that is really bounced around on the board are prejudices and beliefs in fundamentals of existence.

Zionist supporters tend to think that there is a superiority in a culture which gives it a right to destroy others and kill people to take what they want.
Anti-Zionists tend to believe that each is different but equal, and they should have equal consideration in law and justice, such that neither is killed or robbed, or if they are they have the right (if not the ability) to do the same to their tormentor.

I am neither a Zionist, Zionist-supporter, or Anti-Zionist. I don't even care about any peace accord or two-state solution.

Like I said earlier, I just enjoy countering the points you pro-Palestine leftist shills and Muslims conjure (which I do, FYI). Carry on.

Seems to me that your claim to be neutral is somewhat flawed if you only argue against one side of the issue.

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

 

[montelatici]

What has Israel stolen then, that was not theirs to begin with.

The West Bank, basically.

Historically, Jews have never really lived in any of the land except Jericho. There is really no question amongst Israelis that towns like Nablus and Ramallah are Palestinian towns, anymore so than there is any question amongst Palestinians that Tel Aviv or Qiryat Shemonah are Jewish areas.

I don't see this issue as being particularly complex. It may be that a just settlement would see Israel now keep 10% - 15% of the West Bank and trade land for it, and in some cases that might be best for everyone, but I don't think anyone who really understands a thing about this conflict honestly believes a town like Nablus belongs in Israel.

There isn't suppose to be an Israel until Jesus comes back to personally found it, that which claims to be Israel is plain and simply a biblical abomination.

Nope. You got your order of the prophecy wrong, wrong Nazi boy. Jews gather in the promised land, a world wide battle ensues with an evil entity in which all nations fall (including USA), and the only ones left standing in this "Armageddon" are the Jews.

Is it possible that anyone can be more delusional (or childish) as Rowdy?

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

What have you disproved?

 

[RoshanNair]

I actually don't care enough to support one side over the other, I just find it amusing to piss off the credulous and hypersensitive pro-Palestine crowd and disprove their position.

Surely you know you disprove nothing. Proof requires agreement on fundamental principles, and agreed facts. There are neither of those things here.

All that is really bounced around on the board are prejudices and beliefs in fundamentals of existence.

Zionist supporters tend to think that there is a superiority in a culture which gives it a right to destroy others and kill people to take what they want.
Anti-Zionists tend to believe that each is different but equal, and they should have equal consideration in law and justice, such that neither is killed or robbed, or if they are they have the right (if not the ability) to do the same to their tormentor.

I am neither a Zionist, Zionist-supporter, or Anti-Zionist. I don't even care about any peace accord or two-state solution.

Like I said earlier, I just enjoy countering the points you pro-Palestine leftist shills and Muslims conjure (which I do, FYI). Carry on.

Seems to me that your claim to be neutral is somewhat flawed if you only argue against one side of the issue.

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

 

[Beelzebub]

Surely you know you disprove nothing. Proof requires agreement on fundamental principles, and agreed facts. There are neither of those things here.

All that is really bounced around on the board are prejudices and beliefs in fundamentals of existence.

Zionist supporters tend to think that there is a superiority in a culture which gives it a right to destroy others and kill people to take what they want.
Anti-Zionists tend to believe that each is different but equal, and they should have equal consideration in law and justice, such that neither is killed or robbed, or if they are they have the right (if not the ability) to do the same to their tormentor.

I am neither a Zionist, Zionist-supporter, or Anti-Zionist. I don't even care about any peace accord or two-state solution.

Like I said earlier, I just enjoy countering the points you pro-Palestine leftist shills and Muslims conjure (which I do, FYI). Carry on.

Seems to me that your claim to be neutral is somewhat flawed if you only argue against one side of the issue.

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

 

[RoshanNair]

I am neither a Zionist, Zionist-supporter, or Anti-Zionist. I don't even care about any peace accord or two-state solution.

Like I said earlier, I just enjoy countering the points you pro-Palestine leftist shills and Muslims conjure (which I do, FYI). Carry on.

Seems to me that your claim to be neutral is somewhat flawed if you only argue against one side of the issue.

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

 

[montelatici]

Seems to me that your claim to be neutral is somewhat flawed if you only argue against one side of the issue.

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

 

[RoshanNair]

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

 

[toastman]

Apathetic doesn't mean "neutral", and vice versa. Like I said, I merely get a kick outta arguing against the Palestinians and their innumerable support base.

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Simple answer.First off, there was no invasion. Second, as I have proved MANY times, it was the Arabs who started with the killing and massacres. nk I need

Your argument is that because the European Jews came from another continent, that the Palestinians were free to massacre them just like that.
I don't think I need to tell you how ridiculous that sounds.

 

[toastman]

Here is another definition of invasion with three separate examples :

Google

 

[Beelzebub]

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

What if it is not your race, or religion, having some of both in the street already, but your well publicised and documented plan to disposes me, my family and everyone who isn't your family from the area, and you are trying to get weapons and reinforcements to do it?

 

[RoshanNair]

I think many of the White-American leftists who rail against Israel are trying to absolves themselves of what their ancestors may have been guilty of against the American Indians, hence they manufacture a baseless narrative of Jewish aggression and try and roll with it.

 

[RoshanNair]

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

What if it is not your race, or religion, having some of both in the street already, but your well publicised and documented plan to disposes me, my family and everyone who isn't your family from the area, and you are trying to get weapons and reinforcements to do it?

Wouldn't hold up according to international law, unless I actually tried to live out my dreams and drew first blood.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Islam is a cancer on humanity.

The attacks on Israel are based on Muslim supremacy, the concept as Arafat put it that "not one grain of sand in Muslim lands shall by governed by Kafir,"

This attitude of eternal war against any who fail to bow to the supremacy of Islam is a great evil which decent people must resist.

The Muslims have 99.9% of the middle east, but will never stop fighting until the deprive the Jews of tiny Israel.

Islam disgusts me.

 

[Beelzebub]

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

What if it is not your race, or religion, having some of both in the street already, but your well publicised and documented plan to disposes me, my family and everyone who isn't your family from the area, and you are trying to get weapons and reinforcements to do it?

Wouldn't hold up according to international law, unless I actually tried to live out my dreams and drew first blood.

So you would expect a people to stand by and watch their possessions taken by stealth, greater wealth and networking with the other Europeans gain advantage over you, and if there were any violence against the encroachment, then genocide - slow though it may be - would be the response on a populace if they failed to surrender to the appropriation of their territory?

 

[RoshanNair]

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

What if it is not your race, or religion, having some of both in the street already, but your well publicised and documented plan to disposes me, my family and everyone who isn't your family from the area, and you are trying to get weapons and reinforcements to do it?

Wouldn't hold up according to international law, unless I actually tried to live out my dreams and drew first blood.

So you would expect a people to stand by and watch their possessions taken by stealth, greater wealth and networking with the other Europeans gain advantage over you, and if there were any violence against the encroachment, then genocide - slow though it may be - would be the response on a populace if they failed to surrender to the appropriation of their territory?

Again, unless and until those invaders actually went to the extent of violating your human rights, it is impermissible to attack them on presumption regardless of how veracious that presumption actually is. Imagine how fucked up the planet would be if every nation on Earth thought along the same lines as the Palestinians.

 

[Beelzebub]

Well the US and Israel are the greatest proponents of the "preemptive attack".

But apart from that, you say that one group of hot heads in a city reacting to a creeping conquest of their land by violence would deem the murder and dispossession of all Arabs in that land as permissible?

And to be clear, you are implying that you are confident that there was no incitement from European Jews for the Arab violence. You sound certain of that. Are you?

 

[Penelope]

Islam is a cancer on humanity.

The attacks on Israel are based on Muslim supremacy, the concept as Arafat put it that "not one grain of sand in Muslim lands shall by governed by Kafir,"

This attitude of eternal war against any who fail to bow to the supremacy of Islam is a great evil which decent people must resist.

The Muslims have 99.9% of the middle east, but will never stop fighting until the deprive the Jews of tiny Israel.

Islam disgusts me.

and yet numerous posters claim the Pals are not Arabs.

 

[Beelzebub]

Islam is a cancer on humanity.

The attacks on Israel are based on Muslim supremacy, the concept as Arafat put it that "not one grain of sand in Muslim lands shall by governed by Kafir,"

This attitude of eternal war against any who fail to bow to the supremacy of Islam is a great evil which decent people must resist.

The Muslims have 99.9% of the middle east, but will never stop fighting until the deprive the Jews of tiny Israel.

Islam disgusts me.

and yet numerous posters claim the Pals are not Arabs.

Technically, they have not been. But "Arab" as a term, like all language evolves. And it includes people who speak Arabic. In at least some criteria Palestinians qualify.

 

[Penelope]

So you are Zionist then.

Just a bit more lazy than most, and uncaring, like most.

I'm not a Zionist. Although I support the idea of Jews having a state of their own, after what they've endured, I could care less whether it was in the middle of the Arab world or the fields of Montana.

And how do you feel about those who are at risk because they hold land, water and mineral wealth which is taken - by force where necessary - to establish said new state?

They started the war. Tough titties.

How can the people living in a place be accused of starting a war against an invading population, from another continent, at that?

Given that the Arabs instigated pogroms against Jews decades prior to 1948, you tell me?

If I buy a house in your neighborhood and you have a problem with my race or religion, that countenances the use of violence against me?

When do you mean?

 

[Uncensored2008]

and yet numerous posters claim the Pals are not Arabs.

That would be utterly stupid.

Irrelevant though, this is about ISLAMIC supremacy and the bigotry of Muslims which demands that all people submit to the rule of Muslim overlords.

Islam is a cancer on the human condition.