Zone1 What Jesus endured, we also must endure or we won't make it to Heaven

[ding]

You proved my point, perhaps unwittingly.

If your point was you never found any meaning in your suffering, sure.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

If your point was you never found any meaning in your suffering, sure.

Almost 5 million children each year die each year from cancer. They suffered agonizing deaths and their parents suffered untold pain watching them suffer. Is this what you mean when you say "Life isn't fair"?

 

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Almost 5 million children each year die each year from cancer. They suffered agonizing deaths and their parents suffered untold pain watching them suffer. Is this what you mean when you say "Life isn't fair"?

Yes. Among other things. Some children even grow up with abusive fathers. And not surprisingly some find no meaning from their suffering.

You do realize that everyone dies, right?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Damn. Your definition of crucifixion is a lot different than mine. Saying Jesus was crucified by people disagreeing with him on this and that is a lot different than the story I heard.

didn't say anything like it.

MEOW

 

[forkintheroad7]

Almost 5 million children each year die each year from cancer. They suffered agonizing deaths and their parents suffered untold pain watching them suffer. Is this what you mean when you say "Life isn't fair"?

That cannot be true... the figure 5 million

Please

 

[forkintheroad7]

Well, the whole country was "crucified" by the death of a great person, Charlie Kirk. True, I didn't know him personally, but he did good things.

So yeh, life is full of painful things that some of us see as crucifixions. And again, Jesus said that whatever [an evildoer..or just anyone] does to one of His people, he does to Him (JESUS). And Christ's sufferings have not ended, just as St Padre Pio said.

And if the years 2021 to 2024 (in the USA) were not a crucifixion

I don't know what is

 

[BULLDOG]

didn't say anything like it.

MEOW

From your post
"if Christians feel crucified a lot -- because people don't agree w/ them on this and that.. "

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Yes. Among other things. Some children even grow up with abusive fathers. And not surprisingly some find no meaning from their suffering.

You do realize that everyone dies, right?

The meaning of 5 million under 5 dying is _______________________________?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

That cannot be true... the figure 5 million

Please

From Grok:

4.8 million children under the age of 5 die each year globally, according to the latest estimates from the United Nations Inter-agency Group for Child Mortality Estimation (UN IGME) for 2023. This figure reflects ongoing progress in reducing child mortality, down from about 5 million in 2020 and 12.6 million in 1990, though the pace of decline has slowed recently. These deaths are largely preventable, with leading causes including preterm birth complications, pneumonia, diarrhea, malaria, and intrapartum-related issues; nearly half occur in the first month of life. Sub-Saharan Africa accounts for over half of these deaths, where rates are about 18 times higher than in high-income regions like Australia and New Zealand. The global under-5 mortality rate stands at 37 deaths per 1,000 live births, equivalent to roughly 13,100 deaths daily.

 

[ding]

The meaning of 5 million under 5 dying is _______________________________?

Different for each one.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well, the whole country was "crucified" by the death of a great person, Charlie Kirk. True, I didn't know him personally, but he did good things.

So yeh, life is full of painful things that some of us see as crucifixions. And again, Jesus said that whatever [an evildoer..or just anyone] does to one of His people, he does to Him (JESUS). And Christ's sufferings have not ended, just as St Padre Pio said.

And if the years 2021 to 2024 (in the USA) were not a crucifixion

I don't know what is

It is in the bible that "The rain fall on all of us in equal measure." Many don't like that quote or want to hear it. If you go through a normal life span, you will experience all manner of hardships whether you are a believer or nonbeliever. That is the way life works, and oftentimes we learn far more from our suffering and pain than we do if we are just out sailing or playing golf.

So, just where is this god of the bible in all this, when an atheist and Christian/Muslim experiences unimaginable horror and pain, such as watching their child die an agonizing death? There is no respite for that sort of thing by anyone. If you believe in a creator or not, you will still have the whirlwind reaped on you. The way Christians deal with this is to say, "That's cool. l'm a believer. Things will be just fine when I die" What a horrible, horrible belief system that is.

Assuming life is a bed of roses with beautiful scenery, great weather, kissing the feet of "God" for eternity?? Think about that for a minute. What purpose would that serve for you or this imaginary God? A thousand year of that? 10,000? A million? Then what?

 

[forkintheroad7]

It is in the bible that "The rain fall on all of us in equal measure." Many don't like that quote or want to hear it. If you go through a normal life span, you will experience all manner of hardships whether you are a believer or nonbeliever. That is the way life works, and oftentimes we learn far more from our suffering and pain than we do if we are just out sailing or playing golf.

So, just where is this god of the bible in all this, when an atheist and Christian/Muslim experiences unimaginable horror and pain, such as watching their child die an agonizing death? There is no respite for that sort of thing by anyone. If you believe in a creator or not, you will still have the whirlwind reaped on you. The way Christians deal with this is to say, "That's cool. l'm a believer. Things will be just fine when I die" What a horrible, horrible belief system that is.

Assuming life is a bed of roses with beautiful scenery, great weather, kissing the feet of "God" for eternity?? Think about that for a minute. What purpose would that serve for you or this imaginary God? A thousand year of that? 10,000? A million? Then what?

Well, I dislike people putting words in my mouth so I don't think I will validate what you say here (last sentences). I wish people would stop telling me what kind of God I believe in-- yet they refuse to walk 10 feet in my shoes... or learn the least thing about what I truly believe. I know.. been on this forum for awhile. Few people know the first thing about who I am.. what I believe. Yet I've written plenty on it..

That doesn't impress me much vis a vis their "intellectual integrity" to say the least

 

[forkintheroad7]

From your post
"if Christians feel crucified a lot -- because people don't agree w/ them on this and that.. "

You say that's my post but you don't give a way to access that post, so as always, I will ignore...

 

[BULLDOG]

You say that's my post but you don't give a way to access that post, so as always, I will ignore...

It's in your OP, dumb ass

 

[forkintheroad7]

It's in your OP, dumb ass
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I never said I didn't say that, Dumbass

And I don't take any of that back, either. And if you cannot be civil, I don't want to waste my time

 

[BULLDOG]

I never said I didn't say that, Dumbass

And I don't take any of that back, either. And if you cannot be civil, I don't want to waste my time

What a silly remark.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Talking to Bulldog is a crucifixion!

so maybe it's time for

You guessed it

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Well, I dislike people putting words in my mouth so I don't think I will validate what you say here (last sentences). I wish people would stop telling me what kind of God I believe in-- yet they refuse to walk 10 feet in my shoes... or learn the least thing about what I truly believe. I know.. been on this forum for awhile. Few people know the first thing about who I am.. what I believe. Yet I've written plenty on it..

That doesn't impress me much vis a vis their "intellectual integrity" to say the least

Your post highlights the reason that I infrequently debate "Christians" anymore, which I did do for decades. I found many people would get irritated and defensive and say, "Oh, I don't believe THAT, you silly goose!"

I realized that every Christian has their own brand, and you need a questionnaire to debate or discuss things with them. You could get a hundred Christians lined up on a bible question of what it means and get a hundred different answers. This is why there are hundreds of denominations. No one agrees on anything.

What it boils down to is that to a man, everyone thinks they are right and everyone is trying to get out of here alive by believing what they think this invisible God wants them to believe.

 

[forkintheroad7]

What it boils down to is that to a man, everyone thinks they are right and everyone is trying to get out of here alive by believing what they think this invisible God wants them to believe.

You can blame all this confusion and mayhem on Martin Luther, fallen Catholic priest, formally excommunicated by the Original Church in the 16th century. He is the one who divided the Church into Protestant/Catholic.

Before that malcontent came along, whom I say is likely in Hell as we speak (though God knows if he repented at the end), everyone was either Catholic or pagan. Two belief systems is easy to count... as opposed to today where we see something like 40,000 different "denominations" all teach different beliefs.

But the true Church marches on, though today it is a small remnant of what it used to be. The Vatican stopped being Catholic a LONG LONG time ago (something like 65 years ago)

Today, only those who believe and practice what the Catholic Church always taught up until 1958 (yet still does teach [Sedevacantist Catholicism])

are true Catholics.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You can blame all this confusion and mayhem on Martin Luther, fallen Catholic priest, formally excommunicated by the Original Church in the 16th century. He is the one who divided the Church into Protestant/Catholic.

Before that malcontent came along, whom I say is likely in Hell as we speak (though God knows if he repented at the end), everyone was either Catholic or pagan. Two belief systems is easy to count... as opposed to today where we see something like 40,000 different "denominations" all teach different beliefs.

But the true Church marches on, though today it is a small remnant of what it used to be. The Vatican stopped being Catholic a LONG LONG time ago (something like 65 years ago)

Today, only those who believe and practice what the Catholic Church always taught up until 1958 (yet still does teach [Sedevacantist Catholicism])

are true Catholics.

Did you not just prove what I said?