What is your view of Christian Nationalism?

What is your view of Christian Nationalism?

  • 1. Christian takeover of government

    Votes: 3 12.0%
  • 2. Nazis, Nazis, Nazis, everywhere you look Nazis

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • 3. Christians involved in government

    Votes: 10 40.0%
  • 4. Something else

    Votes: 11 44.0%

  • Total voters
    25
I don't think this is a political issue. Clergy are merely human and don't have the voice of God in their ear. They should offer their educated opinions on morality, e.g., oppose Nazis, but don't claim they know what is God's will.
I do think that if they study the bible, they can speak about God's will. Because the bibe is lin and clear about things. We all have the voice of Gd in our ear. It's whether or not we listen to it that's the issue.
 
You are leaving out the racial aspect that runs through the christian nationalist movement.

And what it is is an attempt at theocracy, which is not what the USA is about.
He does that intentionally.
 
You are leaving out the racial aspect that runs through the christian nationalist movement.

And what it is is an attempt at theocracy, which is not what the USA is about.
True this. I always thought so-called “Christian Nationalism” more pagan in nature than Christian. Jesus under Christian Nationalism has more in common with Thor than with the biblical Jesus.

Christian Nationalist: “Hell with peace and love and turn the other cheek, strike down those who disagree with us with lightning and storms!”
 
But its not the truth, voting for either side is not relevant to whether or not you go to Heaven or hell
There are truths nd there are lies. This is the reality we live in. And if you read the bible, you will see that god destroyed nations based on the works of the leaders whom the people allowed to lead them.

“Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.” – Isaiah 10:1-2

Now, what do you think will happen to nations that refuse to follow these instructions? And what do you think will happen to people who elect, vote support, and defend those who make such laws?
 


What is your view of Christian Nationalism?

As a Christian, I am in no way in favor of theocracy, however, I do believe Christians have a duty to be involved in the affairs of society to make the world a better place, just like everyone else. In that sense, there is no, or at least should not be, a separation of church and state.

But let's be honest, the term Christian Nationalism has been coined by the Left to be interpreted Nazi Fascist as it has become one of those dog whistle terms to identify evil in the world.

However, if being a Nationalist is Hitler like, something you refuse to participate in because you are soooo much more righteous than those concerned with their nation, why do you participate in politics? Are you there to promote global interests instead of national interests, or something else altogether?

Go!!!

The Pilgrims came to America as the first settlers on the eastside to escape an oppressive theocratic monarchy composed of King James 1 and the Archbishop of Canterbury in England and William the Silent in the Netherlands.

Later in the 17th Century, however, the Founders, each one a classical liberal or libertarian (little "L") believed a newly formed nation called the United States of America should neither dictate nor prevent whatever religion the people chose to practice. The people could form whatever little theocracy their society wanted to have, but the Founders did not want them to be able to impose those theocracies on anybody else even though the Founders were Christian and so were those little theocracies.

They firmly believed America was and should remain a Christian nation and thus would respect protect the right of all others to believe whatever they believed so long as they too did not try to force anyone who did not share their faith to participate in it.

Separation of Church and State meant that the State would not be allowed to dictate religious beliefs or practices to any citizen and no religious organization would be allowed to have authority over the people via the central government.

Thus we have in the body of the original Constitution that there will be no religious test to hold public office and in the Bill of Rights, the central government would protect everyone's right to think, believe, speak, worship as he or she chose.

The Christian nationalist embraces all the religious concepts that went into the concepts and structure of the new nation and agrees with the Founders that the Constitution would be effective only for a religious/Christian and moral people even though some might be and would be allowed to be non Christian. Christians would have every right to petition their government for what was important to them along with everybody else having such right.


For that reason I define Christians nationals as those who love America and Americans and believe Christian (or any other religion's) symbols, traditions, festivals, worship, prayer should not be regulated or oppressed or suppressed in any way by the federal government. They will run for office, and will express their faith freely in how that affects their decision in their official duties. And if that is not satisfactory to their constituents, then they will be voted out of office.

But they should never be prohibited from expressing what they believe.
 
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Jesus did nt create a religion, so Christian Nationalism has nothing to do with God. Period.
 
The Pilgrims came to America as the first settlers on the eastside to escape an oppressive theocratic monarchy composed of King James 1 and the Archbishop of Canterbury in England and William the Silent in the Netherlands.

Later in the 17th Century, however, the Founders, each one a classical liberal or libertarian (little "L") believed a newly formed nation called the United States of America should neither dictate nor prevent whatever religion the people chose to practice. The people could form whatever little theocracy their society wanted to have, but the Founders did not want them to be able to impose those theocracies on anybody else even though the Founders were Christian and so were those little theocracies.

They firmly believed America was and should remain a Christian nation and thus would respect protect the right of all others to believe whatever they believed so long as they too did not see to impose their religion on anybody else.

Thus we have in the body of the original Constitution that there will be no religious test to hold public office and in the Bill of Rights, the central government would protect everyone's right to think, believe, speak, worship as he or she chose.

The Christian nationalist embraces all the religious concepts that went into the concepts and structure of the new nation and agrees with the Founders that the Constitution would be effective only for a religious/Christian and moral people even though some might be and would be allowed to be non Christians. Christians would have every right to petition their government for what was important to them along with everybody else having such right.


For that reason I define Christians nationals as those who love America and Americans and believe Christian (or any other religion's) symbols, traditions, festivals, worship, prayer should not be regulated or oppressed or suppressed in any way by the federal government.
That's a tall tale and the Puritans that evolved from those people were fundamentalist zealots who burned women at the stake, accusing them of being witches without evidence. Christian Nationalism is just another form of Christian identity which is nothing more than white supremacy using the bible as a shield.
 
Christians, like every other American, should participate in politics and government. What I dislike are clergy that use their position to coerce people to vote for one or another candidate implying they know what God would do, e.g., the Pope should never 'say you'll go to hell if you vote for Trump'.
Do you have any historical evidence for clergy using their position to coerce people to vote one way or another on anything?

Maybe I have led a sheltered life, but I don’t recall this happening. I do recall churches taking a position on the sacredness of life and I have read about churches participating in the abolitionist movements but I don’t have any knowledge of anyone saying do this or you are going to hell.
 
There are truths nd there are lies. This is the reality we live in. And if you read the bible, you will see that god destroyed nations based on the works of the leaders whom the people allowed to lead them.

“Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless.” – Isaiah 10:1-2

Now, what do you think will happen to nations that refuse to follow these instructions? And what do you think will happen to people who elect, vote support, and defend those who make such laws?

Not a thing, because God isnt going to care who you voted for. Last I read, salvation came from giving your life to Christ, not voting for the right person.
 
Not a thing, because God isnt going to care who you voted for. Last I read, salvation came from giving your life to Christ, not voting for the right person.
God knows what's in your heart. So God will know WHY you voted for such a person. Giving your life to Christ means some things it's not just a declaration you make and then you're saved.
 
God knows what's in your heart. So God will know WHY you voted for such a person. Giving your life to Christ means some things it's not just a declaration you make and then you're saved.
Thats right, and you are to strive to be Christ-like every day, but nobody is perfect.

In the grand scheme of things, there are no good politicians, you are always voting for the lesser of two evils. You say voting for trump would send someone to hell, others would say having voted for Kamala would send you to hell.

Again, I just dont think your voting patterns are going to determine your eternity.
 
Do you have any historical evidence for clergy using their position to coerce people to vote one way or another on anything?

Maybe I have led a sheltered life, but I don’t recall this happening. I do recall churches taking a position on the sacredness of life and I have read about churches participating in the abolitionist movements but I don’t have any knowledge of anyone saying do this or you are going to hell.
There is an old maxim that has been circulating at least in my circles since I was a kid: "Let George do it." The loose translation is I don't want to be bothered or I'm not up to it so let somebody else do it. I think it dates back to the 1940's and a movie by the title "George. . .(something or other.)"

During the 1992 campaign, our Pastor built a sermon around "Let George do it" not even thinking about the political climate that year. He was accused by a very few and teased by all the rest of us of giving a thinly veiled campaign speech for George W. Bush. :)

It was funny because the Pastor was a registered Democrat and I'm pretty sure he voted for Clinton.

But that's the closest I've seen a pastor promoting who to vote for. (Unless you count Lewis Farrakhan describing Obama as "the Messiah that has come". And I seem to recall a NYT story reporting the clergy who had endorsed Obama, but I can't get past their paywall to look it up.
 
Thats right, and you are to strive to be Christ-like every day, but nobody is perfect.

In the grand scheme of things, there are no good politicians, you are always voting for the lesser of two evils. You say voting for trump would send someone to hell, others would say having voted for Kamala would send you to hell.

Again, I just dont think your voting patterns are going to determine your eternity.
You're wrong. There are good politicians. We need to begin electing them. What's in your heart will determine eternity, and what's in your heart makes you support political leaders. And the decision to elect the wrong one can result in Gd punishing a nation. You're going to learn this very soon.
 
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Pastors are required to tell the truth. The problem we have had is that too many pastors refuse to preach the truth and have opted for political relevance.
Obama's Pastor Jeremiah Wright was a perfect example of opting for political relevance over truth. Reverend Al Sharpton is another one.
 
Obama's Pastor Jeremiah Wright was a perfect example of opting for political relevance over truth. Reverend Al Sharpton is another one.

Just curious......what did Wright say that was untrue?
 


What is your view of Christian Nationalism?

As a Christian, I am in no way in favor of theocracy, however, I do believe Christians have a duty to be involved in the affairs of society to make the world a better place, just like everyone else. In that sense, there is no, or at least should not be, a separation of church and state.

But let's be honest, the term Christian Nationalism has been coined by the Left to be interpreted Nazi Fascist as it has become one of those dog whistle terms to identify evil in the world.

However, if being a Nationalist is Hitler like, something you refuse to participate in because you are soooo much more righteous than those concerned with their nation, why do you participate in politics? Are you there to promote global interests instead of national interests, or something else altogether?

Go!!!


The term was not coined by the left.

It was coined by the religious right.
 
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