What Is Wrong With Thomas Massie?

[Foxfyre]

$2 TRILLION DEFICITS ARE JUST FINE WHEN OUR TEAM DOES IT.....YAAAAAY!

No they aren't. But I will be amazed if that is what we'll get despite how the Democrats are spinning it.

 

[mudwhistle]

Maybe. But it is what it is.

I've looked over the summary and while the previous tax reforms are now protected, one of the concessions included is that much of the new tax reforms--no tax on tips/overtime/social security and the higher personal exemptions for some including seniors and some other measures are all temporary and will expire in a few years. That of course is so nobody can extrapolate those savings to the taxpayers as deficit makers into perpetuity.

Later on they will likely be addressed and if they are accomplishing the desired effect of increased economic activity and revenues, they will likely be made permanent.

National/border security cannot be left to the states. Texas would probably do the job of immigration control pretty effectively but New Mexico, Arizona and California almost certainly would not.

There are valid federal functions that are necessary. We must realize what we need the federal government to do and what we do not need it to do. I think we're on the right track there but it will take some time to accomplish all major reforms that are needed.

I said send congress home. Congress is a very small part of the federal government.

We don't need congress constantly passing budgets to keep the border patrol in operation.

Anything that congress does can be done by someone else, except creating new laws.

And many of their laws are unnecessary.

Turn over funding the government to someone more trustworthy.

 

[Oddball]

No they aren't. But I will be amazed if that is what we'll get despite how the Democrats are spinning it.

That's what you're going to get....There are no cuts of any significance in the Big Beautiful BOHICA.

That's the math mathing, not any spin.

 

[Rocko]

He’s trying to be the new Ron Paul

 

[Foxfyre]

I said send congress home. Congress is a very small part of the federal government.

We don't need congress constantly passing budgets to keep the border patrol in operation.

Anything that congress does can be done by someone else, except creating new laws.

And many of their laws are unnecessary.

Turn over funding the government to someone more trustworthy.

How do you get around the Constitutional structure of government? Without Congress we have a totalitarian government--no representation of the people at all.

Would you want an administration like the Biden Administration running the government with no checks and balances from Congress at all?

 

[Oddball]

He’s trying to be the new Ron Paul

Meanwhile, Mike Johnsonless is trying to be the new John Boehner.

I know who I want on my side of the football.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's what you're going to get....There are no cuts of any significance in the Big Beautiful BOHICA.

That's the math mathing, not any spin.

". . .At the same time, the JCT also found the package would put about $1.9 trillion toward reducing the deficit through measures such as cuts to renewable energy incentives and international tax enforcement. . ." Also reductions in Medicaid and food stamps by removing the ineligible from those programs.

". . .The legislation includes significant cuts to Biden-era tax credits for climate-friendly energy sources.

The bill’s initial text eliminates tax credits for electric vehicles within two years. . ."

". . .Overall, the JCT estimated the tax piece would cost $3.7 trillion over the next decade. . ."

https://thehill.com/business/budget/5308446-trump-gop-bill-medicaid-salt-taxes/

That's hardly $2 trillion per year added to the deficit and, if they continue to make government efficient, effective, economical, the deficits will continue to go down. We have the best chance for a balanced budget that we've seen since the Clinton Administration when Newt Gingrich and Tim Penny and their reformers forced that to happen.

I think they did pretty well all things considered.

 

[Oddball]

That's what I think. The art of any deal always involves compromise. You get as much as you can of what you want and rarely if ever get everything you want.

We can't fix all the abuses of previous administrations all at once. But at least the legislation just passed is a start and protects the American public from the most massive tax hike in history had the previous Trump tax reforms been allowed to expire.

Those taking a my way or nothing approach to these things ensure that nothing good is going to happen.

The GOP will begin their first budget in October--we are currently running on the Democrat budget whatever that was--and if we keep trying to make it better it will get better.

It just can't happen all at once.

This right here is exactly why I don't vote at all, let alone republican, anymore.

Every single time they play the people who elected them for chumps like with this Big Beautiful BOHICA, we get this rote string of excuses that are the political equivalent of battered spouse syndrome.

This isn't about "getting everything you want"....It's about actually following through on the campaign promises that put you in office.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The last Republicans. They won't last. They have been replaced by crony capitalists wielding the power of the government for their personal benefit.

No argument from me. That’s the modern Republican Party

They Grift at 95- 98% of the democrats

 

[Foxfyre]

This right here is exactly why I don't vote at all, let alone republican, anymore.

Every single time they play the people who elected them for chumps like with this Big Beautiful BOHICA, we get this rote string of excuses that are the political equivalent of battered spouse syndrome.

This isn't about "getting everything you want"....It's about actually following through on the campaign promises that put you in office.

See my Post #87 just above. Nobody, not even Trump, can fulfill ever campaign promise in the first four months of their tenure. I still think they did pretty well all things considered.

 

[Oddball]

". . .At the same time, the JCT also found the package would put about $1.9 trillion toward reducing the deficit through measures such as cuts to renewable energy incentives and international tax enforcement. . ." Also reductions in Medicaid and food stamps by removing the ineligible from those programs.

". . .
The legislation includes significant cuts to Biden-era tax credits for climate-friendly energy sources.

The bill’s initial text eliminates tax credits for electric vehicles within two years. . ."

". . .Overall, the JCT estimated the tax piece would cost $3.7 trillion over the next decade. . ."

https://thehill.com/business/budget/5308446-trump-gop-bill-medicaid-salt-taxes/

That's hardly $2 trillion per year added to the deficit and, if they continue to make government efficient, effective, economical, the deficits will continue to go down. We have the best chance for a balanced budget that we've seen since the Clinton Administration when Newt Gingrich and Tim Penny and their reformers forced that to happen.

I think they did pretty well all things considered.

Chump change in a $7 trillion bill.

Still a $2 trillion deficit and no spending cuts of any significance...That's what Trumpworld was elected to get done, and they failed miserably.

 

[Oddball]

See my Post #87 just above. Nobody, not even Trump, can fulfill ever campaign promise in the first four months of their tenure. I still think they did pretty well all things considered.

Speaking of four months, that's how long Mike Johnsonless had to put together a far better bill than this insult ...But he dragged his feet, sandbagged, sent everyone on their scheduled extended holidays, then ran around with his hair on fire at the 11th hour and needed Trump to come in and do his heavy lifting for him.

And we're here bitching and moaning about Massie?...GAB!

 

[Foxfyre]

Speaking of four months, that's how long Mike Johnsonless had to put together a far better bill than this insult ...But he dragged his feet, sandbagged, sent everyone on their scheduled extended holidays, then ran around with his hair on fire at the 11th hour and needed Trump to come in and do his heavy lifting for him.

And we're here bitching and moaning about Massie?...GAB!

Okay you feel like you feel, believe what you believe. I look at it from the practical standpoint of what can be realistically accomplished instead of what I wish could be accomplished. And I look at the Speaker as being a negotiator and facilitator rather than a dictator.

The Republicans are never going to be the monolithic oligarchy of group think that the Democrats are. That means legislation is always going to be messier and more contentious with the Republicans.

But I believe they put out far better legislation that is beneficial to the American public.

Nobody is talking about much if any 'pork' in that big beautiful bill. That alone is revolutionary.

 

[mudwhistle]

How do you get around the Constitutional structure of government? Without Congress we have a totalitarian government--no representation of the people at all.

Would you want an administration like the Biden Administration running the government with no checks and balances from Congress at all?

Apparently congress wasn't doing their job.

You keep proving my point.

 

[mudwhistle]

Chump change in a $7 trillion bill.

Still a $2 trillion deficit and no spending cuts of any significance...That's what Trumpworld was elected to get done, and they failed miserably.

April had a $200 billion surplus that got zero coverage from the media.

 

[Oddball]

April had a $200 billion surplus that got zero coverage from the media.

And that's in the bill where?

 

[Oddball]

Apparently congress wasn't doing their job.

And now that's on Massie?

 

[mudwhistle]

And that's in the bill where?

No place in that bill.
That was just the customs increases Trump instituted thru EO.
Tariffs seemed to have been pure gold for our revenue.

https://www.reuters.com/business/us-budget-surplus-rises-23-258-billion-april-customs-revenue-surges-2025-05-12/

 

[Invisibleflash]

He is one of the two Republicans that voted with Democrats against the Big Beautiful Bill......and I think he is an embarrassment.

He claimed that fixing some of the horrific damage that Biden had set up before leaving office, to him, was like throwing coal in the boiler to increase speed on the Titanic.

This is what Democrats always say when you try to let people keep some of their money instead of taxing them into oblivion.

Thomas Massie wants to be another Susan Collins.

He is one of the few half-ass honest politicians in D.C.

 

[Foxfyre]

Apparently congress wasn't doing their job.

You keep proving my point.

I don't think so. Seems to me that if Pelosi had been in charge of the House like Schumer is of the Senate, the Biden Administration could have done immeasurable more damage than what they did. And they did plenty.

As it was, those EOs Biden used to get around Congress are a cinch for President Trump to easily reverse. Terrible legislation would be a far more serious problem.