What Is Wrong With Thomas Massie?

[wtb]

Actually,
Those calling for even more fiscal conservative positions are correct.

Yes, the fiscal conservatives certainly have a point but if they stand too firm (like Massie did), nothing will pass.

Chip Roy did a good job of balancing that this time. He worked very hard to get some final changes, like a tweak which would actually make it less likely the remaining 9 or so states which didn't add Medicaid expansion before, still won't - and that's good IMO. Medicaid exploded due to the expansion piece and veered so far and too far from its original purpose. I wish we could just return it to pre-expansion, but unfortunately, that would have never passed. But the work requirements and last minute additions like Roy got, are changes in a better direction. So, Chip Roy worked hard to get what he could and then voted yes.

 

[Oddball]

Massie is just a grandstander.

We need 434 more like him.

 

[Oddball]

Ummm in every way. You guys are not right leaning anymore. And then you sit there and fucking trash people that actually stick to their principles and try to be responsible.
YOU people are the RINOs.
I remember all of you people being against 1100 page bills. Trillions added to the debt. The deficit. Attacking the free market. But now? You defend it.

It's OK when our team does it!!

 

[Oddball]

He is a contrarian
He is fringe.
Conceptually he may be right - but -
Can he build a consensus?
Has he ever built a consensus?

He's a guy who legislates like he campaigns for office....Quite unlike the sellouts that just voted for the Big Beautiful Buttfuck.

 

[Oddball]

Republicans circa 2022: These omnibus bills crammed down at the last moment are a complete travesty!...Why won't these lazy assholes in congress do their fucking job and pass the spending bills in regular order?!?

Republicans circa 2025: OMNIBUS ME HARDER DADDY!!

 

[Billiejeens]

We need 434 more like him.

Until we get that
His 1 contrarian vote is of no value.

 

[mudwhistle]

He's not really wrong but then again when you are offered 3/4 of a cake you take it.....That was his mistake.

I don't think he really want a tax-paying family to have to cough-up $3500 more a year....Did he?

The world wonders.

That's the deal with these radicals.
They want everything right away or nothing.

I guess he wanted nothing.

But they had to do something about the massive tax increases that Biden had in store for us starting next year.
Biden had it set up that our economy was going into a massive recession and they may have headed it off.

I would love to have social security tax-free, but I'll take this for now.
We shouldn't be paying taxes on what we've already paid taxes on many times over.

 

[Billiejeens]

He's a guy who legislates like he campaigns for office....Quite unlike the sellouts that just voted for the Big Beautiful Buttfuck.

Cute that you think that he legislates.

He is the wide receiver that goes out for a pass and lets it fall to the ground.
Goes back to the huddle and the quarterback asks why didn't you make a play for the ball and Massie says
I didn't like the way that the ball got there - I like to catch a nice tight spiral, and yours was a little bit wobbly.

you wouldn't keep that guy on the team for another second.

 

[Oddball]

Cute that you think that he legislates.

He is the wide receiver that goes out for a pass and lets it fall to the ground.
Goes back to the huddle and the quarterback asks why didn't you make a play for the ball and Massie says
I didn't like the way that the ball got there - I like to catch a nice tight spiral, and yours was a little bit wobbly.

you wouldn't keep that guy on the team for another second.

Cut that you think that republicans are an actual opposition party.

They are the pro wrestler that goes out and yells at the camera about how much he's going to kick the other guy's ass, then goes into the ring and gets his ass kicked....Then after the match, both of them go to the bar and have a big laugh about what a great show they just put on.

 

[mudwhistle]

The last Republicans. They won't last. They have been replaced by crony capitalists wielding the power of the government for their personal benefit.

Maybe.....but then again, Democrats have gone full-retard, so we're left with a choice between bad and horrific.

Democrats aren't interested in improving our lot. Matter of fact, their primary interests are to cause chaos thru murder and sabotage.
It all revolves around their gun-grabbing policies.
Take our guns and it makes us more willing to put up with their abuses.
They need to make examples of these nutcases that buy into Democrats inflammatory rhetoric, not make them into heroes.

 

[Foxfyre]

He's not really wrong but then again when you are offered 3/4 of a cake you take it.....That was his mistake.

I don't think he really want a tax-paying family to have to cough-up $3500 more a year....Did he?

The world wonders.

That's what I think. The art of any deal always involves compromise. You get as much as you can of what you want and rarely if ever get everything you want.

We can't fix all the abuses of previous administrations all at once. But at least the legislation just passed is a start and protects the American public from the most massive tax hike in history had the previous Trump tax reforms been allowed to expire.

Those taking a my way or nothing approach to these things ensure that nothing good is going to happen.

The GOP will begin their first budget in October--we are currently running on the Democrat budget whatever that was--and if we keep trying to make it better it will get better.

It just can't happen all at once.

 

[Oddball]

That's the deal with these radicals.
They want everything right away or nothing.

I guess he wanted nothing.

But they had to do something about the massive tax increases that Biden had in store for us starting next year.
Biden had it set up that our economy was going into a massive recession and they may have headed it off.

I would love to have social security tax-free, but I'll take this for now.
We shouldn't be paying taxes on what we've already paid taxes on many times over.

Where are the DOGE cuts, dude?....Where is there anything so much as remotely fiscally responsible in that steaming shit heap?

 

[mudwhistle]

George Santos and Marjorie Trailer Queen are perfect examples of the worse and worse.

George Santos is gone. I think getting rid of folks like AOC and Ilhan Omar should be next.
The problem always seems to be their replacements are always even worse.

 

[Billiejeens]

That's what I think. The art of any deal always involves compromise. You get as much as you can of what you want and rarely if ever get everything you want.

We can't fix all the abuses of previous administrations all at once. But at least the legislation just passed is a start and protects the American public from the most massive tax hike in history had the previous Trump tax reforms been allowed to expire.

Those taking a my way or nothing approach to these things ensure that nothing good is going to happen.

The GOP will begin their first budget in October--we are currently running on the Democrat budget whatever that was--and if we keep trying to make it better it will get better.

It just can't happen all at once.

We don't usually like to consider people on our side of the aisle extremists.

But, some are.
They are purists, and are not helpful.

 

[mudwhistle]

That's what I think. The art of any deal always involves compromise. You get as much as you can of what you want and rarely if ever get everything you want.

We can't fix all the abuses of previous administrations all at once. But at least the legislation just passed is a start and protects the American public from the most massive tax hike in history had the previous Trump tax reforms been allowed to expire.

Those taking a my way or nothing approach to these things ensure that nothing good is going to happen.

The GOP will begin their first budget in October--we are currently running on the Democrat budget whatever that was--and if we keep trying to make it better it will get better.

It just can't happen all at once.

It can happen all at once.....but they refuse to do it.
Personally the best thing for this country would be to turn everything over to the states and the US Congress to go home and get out of the DC bubble.

 

[Oddball]

$2 TRILLION DEFICITS ARE JUST FINE WHEN OUR TEAM DOES IT.....YAAAAAY!

 

[Foxfyre]

We don't usually like to consider people on our side of the aisle extremists.

But, some are.
They are purists, and are not helpful.

People like Massie, Rand Paul and a few others though are necessary to keep fiscal accountability on the table in the debate process. If they get any concessions though, and I'm pretty sure they always do, they would then be more helpful if they then supported the legislation.

 

[Billiejeens]

It can happen all at once.....but they refuse to do it.
Personally the best thing for this country would be to turn everything over to the states and the US Congress to go home and get out of the DC bubble.

Describe the real-world process where it happens all at once.

 

[Billiejeens]

People like Massie, Rand Paul and a few others though are necessary to keep fiscal accountability on the table in the debate process. If they get any concessions though, and I'm pretty sure they always do, they would then be more helpful if they then supported the legislation.

You aren't wrong

 

[Foxfyre]

It can happen all at once.....but they refuse to do it.
Personally the best thing for this country would be to turn everything over to the states and the US Congress to go home and get out of the DC bubble.

Maybe. But it is what it is.

I've looked over the summary and while the previous tax reforms are now protected, one of the concessions included is that much of the new tax reforms--no tax on tips/overtime/social security and the higher personal exemptions for some including seniors and some other measures are all temporary and will expire in a few years. That of course is so nobody can extrapolate those savings to the taxpayers as deficit makers into perpetuity.

Later on they will likely be addressed and if they are accomplishing the desired effect of increased economic activity and revenues, they will likely be made permanent.

National/border security cannot be left to the states. Texas would probably do the job of immigration control pretty effectively but New Mexico, Arizona and California almost certainly would not.

There are valid federal functions that are necessary. We must realize what we need the federal government to do and what we do not need it to do. I think we're on the right track there but it will take some time to accomplish all major reforms that are needed.