What Is Wrong With Thomas Massie?

[mudwhistle]

I don't think so. Seems to me that if Pelosi had been in charge of the House like Schumer is of the Senate, the Biden Administration could have done immeasurable more damage than what they did. And they did plenty.

As it was, those EOs Biden used to get around Congress are a cinch for President Trump to easily reverse. Terrible legislation would be a far more serious problem.

So now you're trying to argue over levels of criminal negligence by percentage of suck.

 

[Foxfyre]

So now you're trying to argue over levels of criminal negligence by percentage of suck.

Come on. You know me well enough to know I'm not doing that. And I'm a bit offended that you think so.

 

[mudwhistle]

Come on. You know me well enough to know I'm not doing that. And I'm a bit offended that you think so.

Moral-relativism isn't much of an argument.

We can agree that congress is bad regardless who is in the majority.

The trick is doing something about it.

That's the problem with giving assholes a law degree.

They tend to abuse the law.

 

[mudwhistle]

He is one of the few half-ass honest politicians in D.C.

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That's what he's trying to make himself look like.

But when he started looking like he's taking shots to lose weight and tried to look more distinguished by growing a beard....it seemed like he was doing something that others in congress have done in the past. He's an extremist who spends a lot of time voting not for solutions but for virtue-signals.

Being an extremist isn't admirable to me. It just makes one look stubborn and unable to accomplish anything.

 

[Foxfyre]

Moral-relativism isn't much of an argument.

We can agree that congress is bad regardless who is in the majority.

The trick is doing something about it.

That's the problem with giving assholes a law degree.

They tend to abuse the law.

One thing I do not do is engage in moral relativism. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I do try to be realistic and objective in these things and one thing I've learned in life is that people are imperfect. Nobody is ever going to meet my perspective of perfection, including me. And I've learned to allow others and myself to be imperfect when I know they are mostly doing the best they can with what they have to work with.

I believe they did the best they reasonably could with that legislation with what they had to work with. The result was definitely imperfect. But I honestly believe it will yield good things.

 

[mudwhistle]

One thing I do not do is engage in moral relativism. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I do try to be realistic and objective in these things and one thing I've learned in life is that people are imperfect. Nobody is ever going to meet my perspective of perfection, including me. And I've learned to allow others and myself to be imperfect when I know they are mostly doing the best they can with what they have to work with.

I believe they did the best they reasonably could with that legislation with what they had to work with. The result was definitely imperfect. But I honestly believe it will yield good things.

Our US Congress has been busy lowering our expectations of them.

It used to be that corruption in congress was something that was unacceptable, yet now it's become expected.

Don't be like a Democrat Voter, mkay?

 

[Foxfyre]

Our US Congress has been busy lowering our expectations of them.

It used to be that corruption in congress was something that was unacceptable, yet now it's become expected.

Don't be like a Democrat Voter, mkay?

I'll easily admit the Republicans over the years have been feckless, irresponsible, gutless wonders and they certainly have not turned down pork for their represented districts/states. And certainly we elect a bad egg now and then. The GOP does seem to push those out a lot more than the Democrats do though.

But what corruption in Congress are you currently seeing on the Republican side?

We see the intellectual dishonesty, attempted deception, manipulation etc. on the Democrat side daily.

If my perceptions make me look like a Democrat voter in your eyes, so be it. I guess I can live with that.

 

[mudwhistle]

I'll easily admit the Republicans over the years have been feckless, irresponsible, gutless wonders and they certainly have not turned down pork for their represented districts/states. And certainly we elect a bad egg now and then. The GOP does seem to push those out a lot more than the Democrats do though.

But what corruption in Congress are you currently seeing on the Republican side?

We see the intellectual dishonesty, attempted deception, manipulation etc. on the Democrat side daily.

If my perceptions make me look like a Democrat voter in your eyes, so be it. I guess I can live with that.

Ask John Cornyn. Some used to be solid conservatives have sold us down the tubs to the Democrats because of one reason or another, be it a Honey Pot scheme or some other form of blackmail.

 

[Foxfyre]

Ask John Cornyn. Some used to be solid conservatives have sold us down the tubs to the Democrats because of one reason or another, be it a Honey Pot scheme or some other form of blackmail.

No, I'm asking you. I am unaware of anything unethical or corrupt the GOP is currently doing. What do you know that I don't?

 

[mudwhistle]

No, I'm asking you. I am unaware of anything unethical or corrupt the GOP is currently doing. What do you know that I don't?

I just pointed out an example.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We should be clear, MAGA are not Republicans.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yea, he is going to be primaried for sure. How did he slip through?

He's been a Congressman for 12 years!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why does he always vote with Democrats?

Answer: He's a Democrat

No. He is just an anti-Republican. He's voting against the Republicans voting against the Democrat because he thinks he is the House's version of Rand Paul. They both looney sometimes about extreme conservative fiscal policy. That is their problem. They won't cooperate with Republicans to guarantee the win, so they torpedo themselves in the process.

 

[Rambunctious]

He is one of the two Republicans that voted with Democrats against the Big Beautiful Bill......and I think he is an embarrassment.

He claimed that fixing some of the horrific damage that Biden had set up before leaving office, to him, was like throwing coal in the boiler to increase speed on the Titanic.

This is what Democrats always say when you try to let people keep some of their money instead of taxing them into oblivion.

Thomas Massie wants to be another Susan Collins.

What this guy doesn't stop to understand is that if the republicans lose the midterms he won't ever get what he is after...
And if you want to give the democrats a chance of winning give them the argument that the GOP cut SS Medicare and Medicaid... giving them that sledgehammer to pound us with will not be good for anyone...
If you want change you first have to win...

 

[mudwhistle]

We should be clear, MAGA are not Republicans.

Thank you.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Foxfyre]

I just pointed out an example.

I must have missed that. Point to the corruption in the current Republican Party again please.

 

[mudwhistle]

I must have missed that. Point to the corruption in the current Republican Party again please.

I think you really need to pay closer attention to what's going on in congress.
Or do you think that 30 Republicans always voting with Democrats isn't a sign of corruption?

 

[Foxfyre]

We should be clear, MAGA are not Republicans.

MAGA is not a political party or a group or an ideology. It is a vision, a concept, a set of principles. It is an ideal to shoot for.

Currently the Republicans are the ONLY political party endorsing the MAGA vision of a strong, free, secure America in which the people can have liberty, choices, options, opportunity to pursue their idea of happiness with a government that is efficient, effective, constitutionally grounded and that utilizes the people's resources ethically and wisely for their benefit.

Do they do that imperfectly? Of course because they are imperfect people as we all are. Do they all agree on how to do that? No they don't which is why we always have one or more who disappoint us. And wise debate, negotiation, compromise, reconciliation is how honorable people finally reach a required majority decision.

Disagreement is not unethical. Opposing a choice believed is wrong is not unethical. But demanding one's way as the only acceptable way will most often be destructive to achieving almost any worthy goal.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Thomas Massie and his political ilk are like the starving man crawling up to you in the desert. He asks for something to eat and you give him a huge loaf of sliced bread. He looks it over and says no thanks, and hands it back, saying he'd rather starve. One of the heels has a spot of mold.