Zone1 What is Wrong with Inequality?

[hadit]

I long for a government that does more for the well being of the people over pandering to the wealthy.

The wealthy are the people too, and in case you are terminally uninformed, the wealthy have always had an inordinate influence over government of all types. Just ask Bernie who suddenly became wealthy after bowing to the wishes of the democrat party elite. IOW, stop thinking democrats are going to do what you want, they won't.

A government that cares as much for the welfare of workers as they do for business

Workers that wouldn't exist without businesses to hire them.

A government that cares more about long term environmental than short term profits

And where do you tell that government to stop, before or after it identifies a puddle in your driveway as a protected wetland and won't let you park there anymore?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Major Tax Breaks for the Wealthy & Well-Off

Permanent Extension of 2017 Trump Tax Cuts

• The OBBBA makes the 2017 top rates permanent: 37% maximum individual tax rate, benefiting high earners

Expanded SALT Deduction

• Raises the SALT cap to $40,000 for incomes under $500K (from $10K), heavily benefiting homeowners in high-tax states .

Estate Tax Exemption Increased

• Exemption raised to $15M per individual ($30M per couple), shielding massive inheritances from taxation .

Enhanced Pass‑Through Deduction

• Deduction for income from businesses like partnerships/S-corps increased to 23%, favoring wealthy small-business owners and investors .

Corporate Tax & Business Incentives

• Maintains the 21% corporate tax rate, extends full expensing for business investment, and eases deductions for R&D and interest—directly benefiting corporations and their wealthy shareholders .

Opportunity Zone Loopholes Remain

• Laws allowing wealthy investors to shelter capital gains via Opportunity Zones are preserved, benefiting high-net-worth individuals

Disproportionately Heavy Gains at the Top

• Top 1%: Average benefit of $66K–$70K in the first year .
• Top 20%: Receive 60–72% of total tax benefits .
• Bottom 20%: Facing net income losses averaging $700–$800 annually due to safety net cuts .
• The CBPP projects millionaires could receive over $100K annually in tax savings

None of those are tax cuts for the wealthy. Extending the previous tax rates is not a tax cut. Even the SALT exemption was praised by blue state reps in Congress. That applies to the middle class also. STFU until you find a fact, as you apparently know-nothing but lies!

I happily reside in that bottom 20% and I am losing nothing but tears of joy watching people like you squirm ever time Trump wins.

 

[rightwinger]

None of those are tax cuts for the wealthy. Extending the previous tax rates is not a tax cut. Even the SALT exemption was praised by blue state reps in Congress. That applies to the middle class also. STFU until you find a fact, as you apparently know-nothing but lies!

I happily reside in that bottom 20% and I am losing nothing but tears of joy watching people like you squirm ever time Trump wins.

When in my entire life will I see a Republican bill that benefits the poor and working class more than the wealthy?

• Bottom 20%: Facing net income losses averaging $700–$800 annually due to safety net cuts .
• The CBPP projects millionaires could receive over $100K annually in tax savings

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When in my entire life will I see a Republican bill that benefits the poor and working class more than the wealthy?

• Bottom 20%: Facing net income losses averaging $700–$800 annually due to safety net cuts .
• The CBPP projects millionaires could receive over $100K annually in tax savings

Those stats are bogus, and you know it. The only people losing Medicaid are people who don't work and illegals. That's all, and that really cranks your ass, doesn't it!

 

[rightwinger]

Those stats are bogus, and you know it. The only people losing Medicaid are people who don't work and illegals. That's all, and that really cranks your ass, doesn't it!

Why don’t Republicans ever expand the Social Safety Net?

They are always taking away.

Answer my question
In your life have you ever seen a Republican Bill that helps the poor and working class more than the wealthy?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why don’t Republicans ever expand the Social Safety Net?

They are always taking away.

Answer my question
In your life have you ever seen a Republican Bill that helps the poor and working class more than the wealthy?

Social safety nets are a liberal thing. They usually fail, so Republicans avoid them like the plague. It's called common sense.

 

[hadit]

Why don’t Republicans ever expand the Social Safety Net?

Any expansion, to be non-trivial, has to be funded through borrowed money, and we're already 37 trillion in debt. We simply can't afford to endlessly expand the thing, despite your Pollyanna-ish insistence that we can, and keep the infrastructure safe, and provide for an effective military defense, and keep paying bureaucrats to perform identical functions, and etc. etc.

They are always taking away.

Name one program that is getting less money year over year.

Answer my question
In your life have you ever seen a Republican Bill that helps the poor and working class more than the wealthy?

Well, the major tax cuts have always resulted in the wealthy paying a greater portion of the nation's tax bill, so we'll go with those.

 

[rightwinger]

Any expansion, to be non-trivial, has to be funded through borrowed money, and we're already 37 trillion in debt

We just expanded our military by $150 billion
Trumps bill adds $3 trillion to that debt

Why don’t you complain about that

 

[hadit]

Social safety nets are a liberal thing. They usually fail, so Republicans avoid them like the plague. It's called common sense.

They are also a camel's nose under the tent, because, as we are seeing with that guy, they are NEVER big enough. Everybody gets basic healthcare? Not good enough, everyone deserves the latest technology, cost need not apply. Everyone has access to basic nutrition? Not good enough, everyone deserves access to the finest quality dining. Everyone has at least a small apartment they can live in? Not good enough, everyone needs the American dream of a 4,000 sq ft house. And on it goes.

 

[hadit]

We just expanded our military by $150 billion
Trumps bill adds $3 trillion to that debt

Why don’t you complain about that

Ah, the classic waddaboudism. Okay, this is me complaining about government overspending. Complain, complain, whine, complain.

Now address the reality that we can't afford your utopian dream on top of 37 trillion in debt. Also address the reality that no expansion, no matter how big, would ever satisfy you. You would be back in a few years, complaining that it's not big enough, there's still something people want that they can't have.

 

[rightwinger]

Ah, the classic waddaboudism. Okay, this is me complaining about government overspending. Complain, complain, whine, complain.

Now address the reality that we can't afford your utopian dream on top of 37 trillion in debt. Also address the reality that no expansion, no matter how big, would ever satisfy you. You would be back in a few years, complaining that it's not big enough, there's still something people want that they can't have.

Actually it comes down to priorities

Republicans choose to prioritize expanding a bloated military, birthday parades and tax cuts for billionaires over people’s healthcare and supporting children.

You don’t care about debt

 

[AZrailwhale]

Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose

Absolutely wrong. Freedom is another word for having EVERYTHING to lose. Freedom is what all sane individuals aspire to. What you propose is slavery to the government.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Nothin', don't mean nothin', honey, if it ain't free, no no

Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee

Nothing like letting a stoner and drunk set your life philosophy.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I long for a government that does more for the well being of the people over pandering to the wealthy.
A government that cares as much for the welfare of workers as they do for business
A government that cares more about long term environmental than short term profits

I long for a government that stays out of my life and only performs the functions allow to it by the Tenth Amendment. I long for a small, poor government that lacks the power to compel me to do anything that I don't find to be in my best interests.

 

[rightwinger]

Nothing like letting a stoner and drunk set your life philosophy.

I take it you have never been busted down in Baton Rouge

 

[rightwinger]

I long for a government that stays out of my life and only performs the functions allow to it by the Tenth Amendment. I long for a small, poor government that lacks the power to compel me to do anything that I don't find to be in my best interests.

You want shithole government and anarchy

 

[AZrailwhale]

Any expansion, to be non-trivial, has to be funded through borrowed money, and we're already 37 trillion in debt. We simply can't afford to endlessly expand the thing, despite your Pollyanna-ish insistence that we can, and keep the infrastructure safe, and provide for an effective military defense, and keep paying bureaucrats to perform identical functions, and etc. etc.

Name one program that is getting less money year over year.

Well, the major tax cuts have always resulted in the wealthy paying a greater portion of the nation's tax bill, so we'll go with those.

The best the Republicans have ever managed to do before this was to limit the growth of spending. Cuts are never cuts to existing budgets, but cuts in anticipated expanded spending. I would like to see a zero-based federal budget where every year every federal employee and department has to justify every cent he or it was paid the last year or nor be paid at all this year.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually it comes down to priorities

Republicans choose to prioritize expanding a bloated military, birthday parades and tax cuts for billionaires over people’s healthcare and supporting children.

You don’t care about debt

The military is one of the very few things that the federal government does that is allowed by the constitution. We deserve the best military money can buy. I don't want to go back to the thirties when we were the weakest major nation on earth. As much as I resent and detest FDR, without the Two Ocean Navy Bill and increases in defense spending he rammed through, we would have been in a world of hurt after Japan attacked us. The war would either have ended with a negotiated loss to Japan in 1942 or would have lasted until the nineteen fifties with millions more casualties.

 

[rightwinger]

The military is one of the very few things that the federal government does that is allowed by the constitution. We deserve the best military money can buy.

Doesn’t justify a military that is bigger than the next nine combined. Where is the threat?

Where does the Constitution allow military deployment around the world?

We deserve the best public services money can buy. Schools, medical care, transportation, parks

 

[AZrailwhale]

You want shithole government and anarchy

Wrong, I want FREEDOM. Freedom to achieve or fail by my own actions, not by standards set by some faceless appointed bureaucrat who isn't responsible to anyone.