Zone1 What is Wrong with Inequality?

[citygator]

He hates the U.S., and won't be happy until all the white people are dead. The waves of illegal aliens have been very disappointing for the leftists; they aren't doing a good job of the genocide they're supposed to be doing now, they're just eating and sitting around.

Link?

 

[citygator]

Even the robber barons knew they had to provide for their employees, and built entire towns for them, complete with theaters, water, etc. Now the morons don't care if they sleep in their cars or in the parks in tents. One company I had a contract with actually ran employees out of its parking lots after a local news story aired about these 'high tech companies' paying shit wages and employees were living in the parking lots. One room 'efficiency' apts. where going for $900+; if you didn't want to live in East Palo Alto among the junkies, barrio thugs, and hood rats, it was $1,300 a month and up, way up.

The best thing for employees is apparently to give the wealthy and corporations a tax break and relax employment laws that protect workers while taking 20M off of medicaid.

 

[citygator]

The strength of health insurance is in group policies who can negotiate the best rates.

Take away Government and Employers and you are left with each person trying to negotiate with insurance companies on their own.

Insurance Companies are just middle men who add nothing to the quality of healthcare

Problem with healthcare is that it is not a rational market. You cant supply and demand your way into life saving care. It is set up to absolutely drain desperate people. It is the one industry that needs a ton of regulation and controls by society over. Most industries a free market works fine. Not the life and death industry though.

 

[Woodznutz]

Doesn't really matter. Statistically speaking most people will not be able to do this. So saying "I did it, so anyone can"... mostly it's down to luck.

It's down to effort. That said many are content being poor and on the dole.

 

[rightwinger]

Except it doesn't.

America First means we are actively protecting our interests, instead of just being the worlds *****.

Everyone else does this. We are just not being fools anymore.

Protecting our interests means putting the US in the best position to compete in a global marketplace.
Economic isolation does not do that.

 

[Picaro]

Problem with healthcare is that it is not a rational market. You cant supply and demand your way into life saving care. It is set up to absolutely drain desperate people. It is the one industry that needs a ton of regulation and controls by society over. Most industries a free market works fine. Not the life and death industry though.

'Demand' means pretty much nothing if the means to pay doesn't exist.

 

[Picaro]

Protecting our interests means putting the US in the best position to compete in a global marketplace.
Economic isolation does not do that.

Ah, then you should explain that to all those countries that had tariffs and quasi-tariffs on our goods then. They obviously disagree with you. Your policy of rewarding the financial sector by frittering away high productivity jobs to slave labor colonies overseas hasn't gone well.

We're now the global equivalent of the South in the mid-19th Century, when laissez faire sucked money away from investments in steel, rails, shipping, and manufacturing into a mono-economy of cotton and slaves being the vast bulk of capital investment, making it a push over for the industrialized northern interests to invade and loot. Almost all of the industrial capital is off-shored to assorted world shitholes now. Our main industry is Wall Street, and all it produces and sells is debt, and most of it has no real collateral backing it up.

 

[Picaro]

Link?

Yes. lots of them. You should look them up so you have some clue instead of just whining and parroting left wing narratives you got from blogs and DU.

 

[rightwinger]

Ah, then you should explain that to all those countries that had tariffs and quasi-tariffs on our goods then. They obviously disagree with you. Your policy of rewarding the financial sector by frittering away high productivity jobs to slave labor colonies overseas hasn't gone well.

We're now the global equivalent of the South in the mid-19th Century, when laissez faire sucked money away from investments in steel, rails, shipping, and manufacturing into a mono-economy of cotton and slaves being the vast bulk of capital investment, making it a push over for the industrialized northern interests to invade and loot. Almost all of the industrial capital is off-shored to assorted world shitholes now. Our main industry is Wall Street, and all it produces and sells is debt, and most of it has no real collateral backing it up.

Trump claimed to be matching Tariffs

The reality was that he was going after countries with a trade imbalance

Reality is that the US is the wealthiest country on earth. That makes us consumers

You can’t expect poorer countries to match us

 

[Picaro]

Trump claimed to be matching Tariffs

The reality was that he was going after countries with a trade imbalance

Reality is that the US is the wealthiest country on earth. That makes us consumers

You can’t expect poorer countries to match us

And again you prove you don't know squat.

 

[rightwinger]

And again you prove you don't know squat.

Prove me wrong

 

[alang1216]

5 years and counting. That isolated incident is getting pretty old.

Meanwhile you people have hundreds of riots in teh same time period. Not to mention cancel culture and lawfare.


How dumb do you think voters are to not be able to tell who is who?

I know what you mean. The Civil War was 150+ years ago and people still talk about it.

 

[IM2]

The numbers don't lie. Asians outearn everyone.

The numbers do actually lie. Natives of India raise the overall income level for Asians as a population. Take them out, and you face the truth. Median income is deceptive, and it doesn't tell the number of people who are far below the median. There are Asian ethnic groups in America living in dire poverty. Whites like you don't research, you auto cite Asians when the argument turns to racism and its impact, thinking that dispels the fact that we live in a racist nation.

 

[IM2]

Maybe if you’re using the broadest possible definition of “Asian” to include people from the Middle East, Afghanistan, former Soviet republics, etc.

It’s generally understood that “Asian” in this context is referring to East Asians. Immigrants of Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese descent.

This specific demographic within the USA are quite prosperous

The broadest definition of Asian includes all Asians. I won't be cherry-picking Asians in order to enable lies.

 

[Correll]

So all the broke ass immigrants took your money? Not the rich who got even richer? Here is all your money... Notice the poor that includes the immigrants have no more money and it is all with the rich and superrich? How do you explain that? Why are you focusing on the people without money as the source of the problems with the working class?

Becasue it is the competing poor that is the factor that drives down wages.

If the labor market was tight, then the employers are forced to pay more and treat employees better. When the labor market is flooded, they can be complete assholes.

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You have full employment. People are already working. Pay them MORE money. A factory job is not a better job than most service jobs. You can go get an AMAZON job in a warehouse TODAY. That is factory work for factory pay. No one is lining up to do that shit except the desperate. And guess what? It pays decent for an hourly job ($22) but will not put you in the middle class. That is factory work. Americans do not want to do factory work.

Sorry, I live in the real world where people with degrees and certificates can't find decent jobs, while employers are outsourcing and hiring h1-B workers.

So, not buying your shit talk

Excellent you found a human right you dont like. How you can ignore all the important work dont by USAID based on a few things you dont like is bonkers. The hardest-hit sectors by percentage of funding cuts include agriculture, maternal and child health, infrastructure, good governance, and viral outbreak research. They dazzle you with a few things you dont like so you can ignore the 14M lives that will be lost from the cuts. Dont skip over that. 14M deaths. I am glad some gay person being beat in Somalia makes you smile, but children deaths do too?

If you wanted those services to not be a political battle front, then you should not have politicized them.

YOU weaponized the government, now we are pruning it of lefties like yourself. And depriving you of the money you have been stealing from US taxpayers.

Its funny how the rich people in the GOP can put a giant flag out front of the white house and the working class will ignore the budget bill that just raped the middle and working class and gave a shit ton of money to the wealthy and corporations at the cost of $3T. I dont blame the rich people for wanting and conning you into more money. Thats what people do.. try to get more money. I blame the working class for being dazzled with language and then voting for rich people laws. Its a beautiful con that I respect and totally blame the conned.

The services are never for me or people like me, so I don't really give a ****.

That is not very specific. You like the idea of organized labor just not organized labor. Makes no sense.

Made complete sense. I made a general statement on my position and you choose to not address it.

WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. NO ONE IS CLOSE. We have $140T of wealth. We are not being taken advantage of by anyone but the wealthy. As for trade, your life is infinitely better with cheap giant TVs than if a TV was $10,000 made in the USA. The US has plenty of wealth. Its not with the working class. Thats the problem. Its not the kind of work, nor is it being stolen by gays, immigrants or other countries. Its right her in the USA - and in the hands of the wealthy. Why cant you see that?

So, you talk shit about us being rich, then you admit that the macro-economic numbers hide that the middle class and working class are suffering.

Say, doesn't that mean that all your talk of immigrants making jobs and full employment, does it mean that was all shit talk?

Airplanes. Made here. Weapons. Made here. Toys, made over there. Clothes, made over there. You need to learn the supply chain my friend. Cars are already 50% assembled here and about 50% of those parts made here. Cars are expensive as shit. A pair of socks is what we are importing. You want to work in a sock factory? Cool. The vast majority of people would not take a factory job over their current job.

Over all, we have the largest trade deficits in history and they are growing all the time. Your pretense that we are making enough here is clearly false.

Again.. plant a giant flag in front of the white house and demonize gays and immigrants and your vote is solid. You dont care if the working class gets a fair shake as long as you can shit on people you dont like. This is pointless. You are so cultured maga that your hate boils over to voting against the working class because someone told you gays and immigrants are the problem when... scroll up.... ALL THE MONEY IS WITH RICH PEOPLE and CORPORATIONS not with gays and immigrants. They dont have your prosperity. Its called a slight of hand trick. Distract you with something while they take your wallet.

Discussing the impact of flooding the labor market with third world labor is not "demonizing" anyone.

When you claim it is, that is you shit talking to avoid discussing the issue seriously or honestly.


I ask you directly. Does tens of millions of third world workers in the labor market, depress wages in the US?

I linked almost every claim I made above. Its blind conviction to look at the policies of the GOP and see anything that works for the working class. They have you believing your problem is other poor people and not the people with all the money. Hilarious.

Links to experts that have been wrong for generations are irrelevant noise.

 

[Correll]

Protecting our interests means putting the US in the best position to compete in a global marketplace.
Economic isolation does not do that.

Well, then it is good that economic isoloation is just some shit talk from leftards, instead of anything real.

 

[Correll]

I know what you mean. The Civil War was 150+ years ago and people still talk about it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sure they do. HIstory buffs and race baiters, and no one else.

 

[OODA_Loop]

There are Asian ethnic groups in America living in dire poverty.

There are more Asians who highly profit off the poverty in the food deserts.

 

[braalian]

The broadest definition of Asian includes all Asians. I won't be cherry-picking Asians in order to enable lies.

Yeah, people should probably specify “East Asian”, but when the topic of Asian-Americans as a “model minority” comes up, it is generally understood that one is talking about people from that specific part of Asia.

There is no similarity in economic development between the peoples of East Asia and the people of the Middle East (“west Asia” I guess)

Similarly, it makes no sense to lump North Africans (Arabs) with sub Saharan Africans (black Africans). The gulf between the is too vast to simply say “they’re all Africans”

 

[Scoutster]

Equality is about opportunity. Opportunities should be equal---what you do with your opportunity is what determines your position in life. If you choose to squander opportunities, that's on you.