Zone1 What is Wrong with Inequality?

[braalian]

Not.

So how is the average person supposed to pay for healthcare in the absence of either employer-funded insurance or some government-funded system?

If you have a better alternative, please share

 

[dblack]

So how is the average person supposed to pay for healthcare in the absence of either employer-funded insurance or government-funded single payer system?

If you have a better alternative, please share

The alternative is to accept the fact that we have to pay for health care. Most of the problems with the health care market can be traced back to our fixation with the idea that we can get someone else to pay our bills.

If most of us were paying for most of our health care most of the time, prices would come down. As it is, hardly anyone IS paying for their own health care so no one cares what it costs.

 

[alang1216]

Western Massachusetts. My family has been there since the early 1600's. According to you though...that family farm should be sold to pay an inheritance tax? Thanks, Alang.

Is it worth more than $10 M? Are you the only family member that would inherit the place?

 

[alang1216]

No, it's not. THe left has been playing in bad faith, and being violent assholes.

 

[Foxfyre]

High IQs Create All the Plutocracy's Wealth. That's Why It Treats Brains Like Free Tickets.

You Eweniversity lovers are jealous of talent, believing it must be punished first before it can be rewarded. You also believe that an intelligent person only benefits himself, as if he majored in something like Casino Gambling.

Sacrifice has no merit; it is nothing but brown-nosing and job-stealing. Unpaid education contradicts the incentive-values preached by those who impose such an unnatural and unmotivating system on everybody but their own sons.

I do not think as you do. Have a lovely afternoon and evening anyway.

 

[Man With A Plan]

That riot lasted six hours, Alang...they've been attacking Federal buildings in Portland every day and night for over a MONTH! The left is FAR more violent than the right will ever be! You burn down cities and do billions of dollars in damage. The Capitol building was back in business the next day! But over and over...you on the left claim that Jan 6th was the most dangerous thing to happen to the country since the Civil War! It borders on farce!

 

[Unkotare]

Basket Case of Deplorables

HeirHeads, Constitution-bangers, Christofascists, laissez-fairies, union busters, Ivy elitists, Diploma Dumbos, outsourcers, H-1B insourcers, Chickenhawks, Cold War nostalgics, et al.

Someone ^^^ took an extra crazy pill today.

 

[citygator]

Wages are the price for labor. Reducing the supply though better immigration control and though better trade policy is a clear path to higher wages.

Why are you prtending that this is not the primary focus of MAGA?

Primary focus of maga is xenophobia. More immigration CREATES jobs. The only reason the US isn’t Japan (mired in stagflation) is because of immigration. Immigrants are customers not competitors. Come on man. Every study shows immigrants are a net benefit for the economy.

Secondly there is no unemployment. 3-4% is full employment. No one is taking anyone’s job. There are more open jobs than unemployed. If you want to raise wages. Raise wages. Pass minimum wage raises.

The abuse of government budgets exposed by DOGE is not something I am making up.

Doge numbers were made up. They released multiple bad batches of data. Fixed some and made more. Then they hid their data. If you think DOGE was anything but random cuts and lies about how many you are 100% fooled.

The working class, the middle class, MAGA, we don't want "Services" we want jobs and rising wages. Give us that and we can take care of ourselves.

I assume you want safe milk and meat? Airplanes that land? That’s what maga cut. Not military. Not entitlements. They didn’t touch government pensions. Only healthcare for the poor, food for children, services like I listed above, and small amounts of the budget that go to abject poverty in the world. Then they added $3T in deficit.

The middle class was hollowed out by bad trade policy that exported our industrial base and various policies that vastly flooded the labor market.

If your goal is to raise wages.. THEN RAISE WAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Novel idea. Raise minimum wages. Pass labor bargaining laws that protect jobs.

If you want to buy American. Then buy American. There isn’t a product in the world you can’t buy made in the USA. Jeans? Shoes? We have it all. You can even buy a phone made in the US. You won’t though.

Americas middle class future isnt in line jobs in a toy factory. It’s programming jobs being done in India. It’s healthcare professionals woefully understaffed. Its service managers woefully underpaid. And it’s by raising wages for people already working.

You won’t support raising wages though. You’re not actually for it.

LABOR PROTECTIONS translate to power and money for unions, who are more concerned with getting dems elected then they are protecting their members.

Exactly my point. You’re not for higher wages. It’s lip service. You’re inconsistent. You’re for Trump. That’s it.

I did NOT say there were NO uninsured. I said that "nearly everyone I know" has fine insurance.

You twisted what I said and then addressed the strawman you created.

Nearly everything libs do today is to deny the reality of what maga is and does and then talk shit.

You dodged the point. There are 30 million uninsured. Who cares what your friend group is?

What is the point of that? It seems that you are afraid that MAGA will work and prove us right and you wrong.

MAGA lack conviction. It’s a religion not a movement. I mean in this post you are for higher wages and against higher wages only based on how Trump supports stuff. Republicans have always been pro trade, no longer, and anti-worker, still are.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I have always tried to use the term anyone not "everyone" when discussing this.

Doesn't really matter. Statistically speaking most people will not be able to do this. So saying "I did it, so anyone can"... mostly it's down to luck.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Come on man. Every study shows immigrants are a net benefit for the economy.

Not illegal ones.

 

[Leo123]

In America there is equality of opportunity not equality of outcome which is Communism, which never works.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Wanting to keep everything you earn — regardless of how it affects others — is the definition of selfishness. Just like a lion killing its own cub to protect a scrap of food is "natural" — but not moral.


The entire point of human civilization is to rise above that kind of brutal instinct. We don’t organize modern economies around hyena fights — we build systems that acknowledge interdependence, shared responsibility, and fairness.


And no, deciding what’s “too much” isn’t arbitrary. It’s debated in parliaments, voted on in elections, argued over in courts — it’s society collectively deciding how to balance individual freedom with collective well-being. That’s not tyranny. That’s democracy.

No that's tyranny. It's an absence of freedom and autonomy.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Most of the poor effectively pay no taxes.

Many are convinced they do.

 

[Stann]

Speaking of personal wealth as measured in economic Net Worth, there is absolutely no question that "inequality" is increasing beyond any precedent in a free country. The people at the bottom, so to speak, have less than nothing; their Net Worth is below zero, while the wealthiest of us - mainly entrepreneurs and investors - accumulate more and more wealth.

It is axiomatic on the Left that "inequality" is bad. They obviously feel that increasing "inequality" is self-evidently evil, and must be fought. They base whole political campaigns on promises to fight inequality.

What's wrong with inequality? Imagine an entrepreneur who invents a new gadget that millions of people quickly decide that they are willing to pay substantial amounts of money to have, and that entrepreneur is able to accumulate a King's Ransom on the profits from those gadgets.

So what? Why is that a bad thing? Is anyone else made poorer or more wretched by the entrepreneur's accumulation of wealth? Assume he pays millions and millions in all manner of taxes, complying with every relevant tax law.

The real question is how can anyone believe inequality is anything good and / or something we should continue to maintain. For GOD 's sake how could anyone be that stupid.

 

[Unkotare]

Nearly everyone I know ...

...

That's exactly how democrats "reason."

 

[Picaro]

Primary focus of maga is xenophobia. More immigration CREATES jobs. The only reason the US isn’t Japan (mired in stagflation) is because of immigration. Immigrants are customers not competitors. Come on man. Every study shows immigrants are a net benefit for the economy.

Secondly there is no unemployment. 3-4% is full employment. No one is taking anyone’s job. There are more open jobs than unemployed. If you want to raise wages. Raise wages. Pass minimum wage raises.




Doge numbers were made up. They released multiple bad batches of data. Fixed some and made more. Then they hid their data. If you think DOGE was anything but random cuts and lies about how many you are 100% fooled.



I assume you want safe milk and meat? Airplanes that land? That’s what maga cut. Not military. Not entitlements. They didn’t touch government pensions. Only healthcare for the poor, food for children, services like I listed above, and small amounts of the budget that go to abject poverty in the world. Then they added $3T in deficit.


If your goal is to raise wages.. THEN RAISE WAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Novel idea. Raise minimum wages. Pass labor bargaining laws that protect jobs.

If you want to buy American. Then buy American. There isn’t a product in the world you can’t buy made in the USA. Jeans? Shoes? We have it all. You can even buy a phone made in the US. You won’t though.

Americas middle class future isnt in line jobs in a toy factory. It’s programming jobs being done in India. It’s healthcare professionals woefully understaffed. Its service managers woefully underpaid. And it’s by raising wages for people already working.

You won’t support raising wages though. You’re not actually for it.

Exactly my point. You’re not for higher wages. It’s lip service. You’re inconsistent. You’re for Trump. That’s it.


You dodged the point. There are 30 million uninsured. Who cares what your friend group is?

MAGA lack conviction. It’s a religion not a movement. I mean in this post you are for higher wages and against higher wages only based on how Trump supports stuff. Republicans have always been pro trade, no longer, and anti-worker, still are.

So much utter rubbish, so little time.

 

[Picaro]

Ever heard of the L Curve?

The U.S. income distribution looks pretty much like what it would under a communist regime, which in turn looks pretty much like it did under the Roman Empire. lol

The L-Curve 2.0: An Updated Graph of the US Income Distribution

The US Income distribution does not look like a "Bell Curve". It is an "L-Curve": a gradual ramp for 99% of the population forming "horizontal branch" and a steep spike at top reacing beyond stratosphere. The disparity is so great it is difficult to represent on single graph. To comprehend it...

www.lcurve.org

Commies don't like it when theirs looks exactly like the one we have now, the only difference is in which gang of sociopaths is getting it.

 

[Correll]

Who gives those jobs away?

The same Capitalists that Republicans gave a 40 percent tax cut

Let's bring those jobs back. Why are you against that?

 

[Correll]

5 years and counting. That isolated incident is getting pretty old.

Meanwhile you people have hundreds of riots in teh same time period. Not to mention cancel culture and lawfare.


How dumb do you think voters are to not be able to tell who is who?

 

[citygator]

So much utter rubbish, so little time.