Zone1 What is Wrong with Inequality?

[Correll]

Primary focus of maga is xenophobia. More immigration CREATES jobs. The only reason the US isn’t Japan (mired in stagflation) is because of immigration. Immigrants are customers not competitors. Come on man. Every study shows immigrants are a net benefit for the economy.

Bullshit. MAGA has lived though this economy and we can feel the reality that is that immigration has hurt US.

Secondly there is no unemployment. 3-4% is full employment. No one is taking anyone’s job. There are more open jobs than unemployed. If you want to raise wages. Raise wages. Pass minimum wage raises.

I want better jobs. And the money staying here.

Doge numbers were made up. They released multiple bad batches of data. Fixed some and made more. Then they hid their data. If you think DOGE was anything but random cuts and lies about how many you are 100% fooled.

I read of homosexual advocacy groups having layoffs in the uk because of dode cuts.

That is not made up. That is news reports of real world results.

You are lying.

I assume you want safe milk and meat? Airplanes that land? That’s what maga cut. Not military. Not entitlements. They didn’t touch government pensions. Only healthcare for the poor, food for children, services like I listed above, and small amounts of the budget that go to abject poverty in the world. Then they added $3T in deficit.

Services is setting up a system where the winner is who games the system or who the government drones like more.

That isn't MAGA. Those services don't come to us. They skip our houses because we are "deplorable".

If your goal is to raise wages.. THEN RAISE WAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Novel idea. Raise minimum wages. Pass labor bargaining laws that protect jobs.

Better is to create a market place that just gives the power to the worker, not though giving power to dem allies.

I've been in unions. I've had leverage over my boss. It is better when the power is in YOUR hands, not the unions.

If you want to buy American. Then buy American. There isn’t a product in the world you can’t buy made in the USA. Jeans? Shoes? We have it all. You can even buy a phone made in the US. You won’t though.

Trade policy has always been a government function. When you talk about making it a personal decision, you are shit talking.

Our trade "partners" have been ******* US. Time to stop it.

Trade is supposed to be mutually benifical. We are been the world's ***** and I am done with it.

MAGA.

Americas middle class future isnt in line jobs in a toy factory. It’s programming jobs being done in India. It’s healthcare professionals woefully understaffed. Its service managers woefully underpaid. And it’s by raising wages for people already working.

I like that you feel you have to ignore shit like CAR MANUFACTURING.

That shows that you know your position is false.

You won’t support raising wages though. You’re not actually for it.

Exactly my point. You’re not for higher wages. It’s lip service. You’re inconsistent. You’re for Trump. That’s it.

Show me a union that supports it's workers against lefty policies like PRONOUNS, or IMMIGRATION and we can talk more about unions.

You dodged the point. There are 30 million uninsured. Who cares what your friend group is?

I did not dodge teh point. I addressed it, and then you lied about what I said.

That is you once again revealing that you know your position is weak.

MAGA lack conviction. It’s a religion not a movement. I mean in this post you are for higher wages and against higher wages only based on how Trump supports stuff. Republicans have always been pro trade, no longer, and anti-worker, still are.

"Religion" implies blind conviction, not lack of conviction. You are shit talking.

 

[Correll]

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That's exactly how democrats "reason."

It is worth checking stats by looking at what you see in the real world.

 

[Picaro]

Let's bring those jobs back. Why are you against that?

He hates the U.S., and won't be happy until all the white people are dead. The waves of illegal aliens have been very disappointing for the leftists; they aren't doing a good job of the genocide they're supposed to be doing now, they're just eating and sitting around.

 

[Seth]

Speaking of personal wealth as measured in economic Net Worth, there is absolutely no question that "inequality" is increasing beyond any precedent in a free country. The people at the bottom, so to speak, have less than nothing; their Net Worth is below zero, while the wealthiest of us - mainly entrepreneurs and investors - accumulate more and more wealth.

It is axiomatic on the Left that "inequality" is bad. They obviously feel that increasing "inequality" is self-evidently evil, and must be fought. They base whole political campaigns on promises to fight inequality.

What's wrong with inequality? Imagine an entrepreneur who invents a new gadget that millions of people quickly decide that they are willing to pay substantial amounts of money to have, and that entrepreneur is able to accumulate a King's Ransom on the profits from those gadgets.

So what? Why is that a bad thing? Is anyone else made poorer or more wretched by the entrepreneur's accumulation of wealth? Assume he pays millions and millions in all manner of taxes, complying with every relevant tax law.

True equality may be an impossible standard, but it's still a worthy goal to aim for—at least idealistically. Reality imposes a kind of economic ecosystem that stretches from the Musks of the world to the homeless vagabond. The point of striving for greater equality isn’t to punish success, but to reduce the extremes of poverty that make basic dignity feel out of reach for millions.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's bring those jobs back. Why are you against that?

Only a small number of those jobs can be done competitively by American workers

 

[rightwinger]

So how is the average person supposed to pay for healthcare in the absence of either employer-funded insurance or some government-funded system?

If you have a better alternative, please share

The strength of health insurance is in group policies who can negotiate the best rates.

Take away Government and Employers and you are left with each person trying to negotiate with insurance companies on their own.

Insurance Companies are just middle men who add nothing to the quality of healthcare

 

[Man With A Plan]

Only a small number of those jobs can be done competitively by American workers

Sure, Winger...sure...
LOL It's gonna be a LONG 4 years for you, Little Buddy! Trump is on a roll and the Dem's response is to veer further to the left! You haven't learned a thing...

 

[rightwinger]

Sure, Winger...sure...
LOL It's gonna be a LONG 4 years for you, Little Buddy! Trump is on a roll and the Dem's response is to veer further to the left! You haven't learned a thing...

Trump is an economic moron
His trade wars are pitting the US against the world.
He is destroying economic alliances and picking fights with our strongest economic partners.

China is looking to fill the void

 

[Correll]

He hates the U.S., and won't be happy until all the white people are dead. The waves of illegal aliens have been very disappointing for the leftists; they aren't doing a good job of the genocide they're supposed to be doing now, they're just eating and sitting around.

I've lost track of the number of times that I had lefties like him gloat about white people dying out.

 

[Correll]

Only a small number of those jobs can be done competitively by American workers

Car manufacturing alone, proves you wrong.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Trump is an economic moron
His trade wars are pitting the US against the world.
He is destroying economic alliances and picking fights with our strongest economic partners.

China is looking to fill the void

Trump is so much better at the economy than any Democrat it's laughable for you to even make that claim! The stock market is at record highs. Gas prices at their lowest level in 4 years. Egg prices back to normal. Inflation is down. Jobs are up. His tariffs are bringing money in and getting us better trade deals. Now he's got the bill he wanted and the economy will take off.
China is trying to figure out what to do. Trump's cut the legs out from under their economy. If they can't sell to the US then they are well and truly screwed.

 

[rightwinger]

Car manufacturing alone, proves you wrong.

Not a good example
No cars are built exclusively by Americans. Parts and components are sourced from around the world.

 

[Correll]

Not a good example
No cars are built exclusively by Americans. Parts and components are sourced from around the world.

Plenty of car manufacturing plants and jobs in this country. They are good jobs. And increasing them will benfit thousands, tens of thousands(?) of Americans directly and whole communties though ripple effects.

you would let them all go. For no good reason.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump is so much better at the economy than any Democrat it's laughable for you to even make that claim! The stock market is at record highs. Gas prices at their lowest level in 4 years. Egg prices back to normal. Inflation is down. Jobs are up. His tariffs are bringing money in and getting us better trade deals. Now he's got the bill he wanted and the economy will take off.
China is trying to figure out what to do. Trump's cut the legs out from under their economy. If they can't sell to the US then they are well and truly screwed.

Our biggest economic competitor is China.

The way to compete with China is to form economic partnerships with free trade among yourself and harsh competition with China.

That economic moron Trump created a trade war with the rest of the world encouraging them to create alliances that don’t include us.

Face it, the US is no longer a dependable trade partner. We no longer keep our agreements.
China is becoming a more predictable trade partner.

 

[Mac-7]

Not a good example
No cars are built exclusively by Americans. Parts and components are sourced from around the world.

Which is dumb US policy

Foreigners are allowed to replace American workers

 

[rightwinger]

Plenty of car manufacturing plants and jobs in this country. They are good jobs. And increasing them will benfit thousands, tens of thousands(?) of Americans directly and whole communties though ripple effects.

you would let them all go. For no good reason.

I don’t let them go but recognize we exist in a global economy. Pretending we don’t while pushing an America First trade policy makes it America Alone

 

[Correll]

I don’t let them go but recognize we exist in a global economy. Pretending we don’t while pushing an America First trade policy makes it America Alone

Except it doesn't.

America First means we are actively protecting our interests, instead of just being the worlds *****.

Everyone else does this. We are just not being fools anymore.

 

[Picaro]

Which is dumb US policy

Foreigners are allowed to replace American workers

Corps are reducing their white collar staffs by over 5% a year now, and less than15% of STEM grads actually get hired tech and science jobs . Employers lie about 'skill shortages' in order to get green cards, is all. always have and always will. Companies need to move to where their employees can afford to live, not park in Silly Con Valley just because the execs and founders think it's a cool place to live for themselves.

Where is this 'superwood' being made? Not in Silly Con Valley or the middle of Manhattan, and not in Viet Nam, either.

https://www.wsj.com/tech/inventwood-superwood-material-engineered-wood-f7f558e9?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=ASWzDAiVsPyWx52wF8ZHGRWrxzxpRl8pgzdFUmBNv3USENt7668C2C-Hu75g&gaa_ts=6867ccd7&gaa_sig=WVAkMC4JseMedrMmjKl_KrxLotqug0p08jkK-zcmd8nU1RXJFpaeAwY_-OX4seO2ApSNiBcTO0Gssr6VaZgdKw%3D%3D

 

[Picaro]

Even the robber barons knew they had to provide for their employees, and built entire towns for them, complete with theaters, water, etc. Now the morons don't care if they sleep in their cars or in the parks in tents. One company I had a contract with actually ran employees out of its parking lots after a local news story aired about these 'high tech companies' paying shit wages and employees were living in the parking lots. One room 'efficiency' apts. where going for $900+; if you didn't want to live in East Palo Alto among the junkies, barrio thugs, and hood rats, it was $1,300 a month and up, way up.

 

[citygator]

Bullshit. MAGA has lived though this economy and we can feel the reality that is that immigration has hurt US.

So all the broke ass immigrants took your money? Not the rich who got even richer? Here is all your money... Notice the poor that includes the immigrants have no more money and it is all with the rich and superrich? How do you explain that? Why are you focusing on the people without money as the source of the problems with the working class?

I want better jobs. And the money staying here.

You have full employment. People are already working. Pay them MORE money. A factory job is not a better job than most service jobs. You can go get an AMAZON job in a warehouse TODAY. That is factory work for factory pay. No one is lining up to do that shit except the desperate. And guess what? It pays decent for an hourly job ($22) but will not put you in the middle class. That is factory work. Americans do not want to do factory work.

I read of homosexual advocacy groups having layoffs in the uk because of dode cuts.

That is not made up. That is news reports of real world results.

You are lying.

Excellent you found a human right you dont like. How you can ignore all the important work dont by USAID based on a few things you dont like is bonkers. The hardest-hit sectors by percentage of funding cuts include agriculture, maternal and child health, infrastructure, good governance, and viral outbreak research. They dazzle you with a few things you dont like so you can ignore the 14M lives that will be lost from the cuts. Dont skip over that. 14M deaths. I am glad some gay person being beat in Somalia makes you smile, but children deaths do too?

Services is setting up a system where the winner is who games the system or who the government drones like more.

That isn't MAGA. Those services don't come to us. They skip our houses because we are "deplorable".

Its funny how the rich people in the GOP can put a giant flag out front of the white house and the working class will ignore the budget bill that just raped the middle and working class and gave a shit ton of money to the wealthy and corporations at the cost of $3T. I dont blame the rich people for wanting and conning you into more money. Thats what people do.. try to get more money. I blame the working class for being dazzled with language and then voting for rich people laws. Its a beautiful con that I respect and totally blame the conned.

Better is to create a market place that just gives the power to the worker, not though giving power to dem allies.

I've been in unions. I've had leverage over my boss. It is better when the power is in YOUR hands, not the unions.

That is not very specific. You like the idea of organized labor just not organized labor. Makes no sense.

Trade policy has always been a government function. When you talk about making it a personal decision, you are shit talking.

Our trade "partners" have been ******* US. Time to stop it.

Trade is supposed to be mutually benifical. We are been the world's ***** and I am done with it.

MAGA.

WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. NO ONE IS CLOSE. We have $140T of wealth. We are not being taken advantage of by anyone but the wealthy. As for trade, your life is infinitely better with cheap giant TVs than if a TV was $10,000 made in the USA. The US has plenty of wealth. Its not with the working class. Thats the problem. Its not the kind of work, nor is it being stolen by gays, immigrants or other countries. Its right her in the USA - and in the hands of the wealthy. Why cant you see that?

I like that you feel you have to ignore shit like CAR MANUFACTURING.

That shows that you know your position is false.

Airplanes. Made here. Weapons. Made here. Toys, made over there. Clothes, made over there. You need to learn the supply chain my friend. Cars are already 50% assembled here and about 50% of those parts made here. Cars are expensive as shit. A pair of socks is what we are importing. You want to work in a sock factory? Cool. The vast majority of people would not take a factory job over their current job.

Show me a union that supports it's workers against lefty policies like PRONOUNS, or IMMIGRATION and we can talk more about unions.

Again.. plant a giant flag in front of the white house and demonize gays and immigrants and your vote is solid. You dont care if the working class gets a fair shake as long as you can shit on people you dont like. This is pointless. You are so cultured maga that your hate boils over to voting against the working class because someone told you gays and immigrants are the problem when... scroll up.... ALL THE MONEY IS WITH RICH PEOPLE and CORPORATIONS not with gays and immigrants. They dont have your prosperity. Its called a slight of hand trick. Distract you with something while they take your wallet.

I did not dodge teh point. I addressed it, and then you lied about what I said.

That is you once again revealing that you know your position is weak.



"Religion" implies blind conviction, not lack of conviction. You are shit talking.

I linked almost every claim I made above. Its blind conviction to look at the policies of the GOP and see anything that works for the working class. They have you believing your problem is other poor people and not the people with all the money. Hilarious.