What is the liberal view of America?

[Aletheia4u]

 

[Timmy]

I find it comical that one of your Qs is "Do you want Shira Law ". Then the other is "Do you want to ban all religion ".

Those contradict each other .

the contradiction is in the liberal mind and liberal rhetoric. they want muslims to be able to practice sharia, but want to ban all other religious practices.

We want people to practice free religion so long as they don't harm others .

Dems are not for "Shira law" . If anything , cons are the ones trying to codify religion into our laws .

But you don't count children in the womb as others.

Right?

So, they can be slaughtered at will.

Righties are pro death penalty . So spare me the moral outrage .

You freedom loving righties seem to have no prob with the gov controling people's own bodies .

 

[Moonglow]

Troll thread. Leading questions with far right wing talking points. Not a serious inquiry.

And he doesn't know the difference between a liberal and a leftist...

 

[Chuz Life]

I find it comical that one of your Qs is "Do you want Shira Law ". Then the other is "Do you want to ban all religion ".

Those contradict each other .

the contradiction is in the liberal mind and liberal rhetoric. they want muslims to be able to practice sharia, but want to ban all other religious practices.

We want people to practice free religion so long as they don't harm others .

Dems are not for "Shira law" . If anything , cons are the ones trying to codify religion into our laws .

But you don't count children in the womb as others.

Right?

So, they can be slaughtered at will.

Righties are pro death penalty . So spare me the moral outrage .

You freedom loving righties seem to have no prob with the gov controling people's own bodies .

LoL, did you just equate innocent children in the womb with convicted felons?

That's hilarious.

As far as the government "controlling" bodies. . . Why hasn't our government already eliminated rapes, molestation, murders and criminal drug use by now..... seeing as it has so much fucking "control" as you say?

You obviously can not discern the difference between the protection of one humans rights from a violation by another and the governments want to "control" anybody.

This is one of the many things that make you worthy of the label "leftard"

 

[Timmy]

I find it comical that one of your Qs is "Do you want Shira Law ". Then the other is "Do you want to ban all religion ".

Those contradict each other .

the contradiction is in the liberal mind and liberal rhetoric. they want muslims to be able to practice sharia, but want to ban all other religious practices.

We want people to practice free religion so long as they don't harm others .

Dems are not for "Shira law" . If anything , cons are the ones trying to codify religion into our laws .

But you don't count children in the womb as others.

Right?

So, they can be slaughtered at will.

Righties are pro death penalty . So spare me the moral outrage .

You freedom loving righties seem to have no prob with the gov controling people's own bodies .

LoL, did you just equate innocent children in the womb with convicted felons?

That's hilarious.

As far as the government "controlling" bodies. . . Why hasn't our government already eliminated rapes, molestation, murders and criminal drug use by now..... seeing as it has so much fucking "control" as you say?

You obviously can not discern the difference between the protection of one humans rights from a violation by another and the governments want to "control" anybody.

This is one of the many things that make you worthy of the label "leftard"

You re talking about crimes that other people do . I'm talking about control of ones own self .

Who wants to force women to be wand raped before they can have an abortion ? Who wants to stop people from smoking pot , drinking alcohol ? That would be the right .

You talk about freedom, but you have no real examples of the right being pro freedom.

Oh . I don't consider a zygote a human being .

 

[Chuz Life]

Oh . I don't consider a zygote a human being .

Of course you don't.

But they are.

So don't act surprised when you leftardz get dehumanized in much the same way that you dehumanize children in the womb.

 

[BluesLegend]

Liberals are weird, volatile dingbats I doubt they have a view that does not change week to week.

 

[Timmy]

Oh . I don't consider a zygote a human being .

Of course you don't.

But they are.

So don't act surprised when you leftardz get dehumanized in much the same way that you dehumanize children in the womb.

You would kill a man begging for his life . But a zygote is murder ?

 

[Tax Man]

Do you want a socialist state? Depends on what kind...I do want a social democracy like South Korea, Japan, Norway, Britain or Germany. Yep, nearly every successful country on earth follows this model and I don't believe we should be any different.
Do you want guaranteed income for every citizen? We'll have to figure it out but when automation takes over I think maybe we should lean that way.
Do you want government run medicine? Run, no! Regulate yes.
Do you want a media that only puts out what the government allows? No, that is something you wish for. I want a free media that can attack the president and inform the people on the wrong doings of government.
Do you want 65-70% income taxes like Europe? For the super rich. Sure, just like the 1950's and 60's.
Do you want to do away with police and the military? Fuck no. I want strong both.
Do you want Sharia law? No, I want no religion at all to be within government.
Do you want abortion on demand as birth control? It should be a choice.
Do you want the government in every aspect of your life? No, on social issues I want less government and drug policy should be be up to the person.
Do you want all history erased and replaced with government propaganda? No, I want history taught for what occurred.
Do you want all religion banned? No, but I do want government to stay out of it.
Do you want free speech limited to government approved speech? No, that is something you want.
Do you want the constitution rewritten or cancelled? We would be better off with some fine toning, certainly.
Do you want California and New York to decide our national elections? No,


What exactly do you want this country to become? After 200 years I'd say I'd want us to follow a model that works and aims for the highest quality of life for all. Norway, Germany, etc seem to have good systems that do exactly that.

This is me exactly.

 

[jillian]

I have asked this before and never got a reasonable answer. Its a serious question, do not respond with talking points.

Tell us what you on the left see as your end game for our country.

Do you want a socialist state?
Do you want guaranteed income for every citizen?
Do you want government run medicine?
Do you want a media that only puts out what the government allows?
Do you want 65-70% income taxes like Europe?
Do you want to do away with police and the military?
Do you want Sharia law?
Do you want abortion on demand as birth control?
Do you want the government in every aspect of your life?
Do you want all history erased and replaced with government propaganda?
Do you want all religion banned?
Do you want free speech limited to government approved speech?
Do you want the constitution rewritten or cancelled?
Do you want California and New York to decide our national elections?


What exactly do you want this country to become?

and again, no talking points like "I want everyone to love each other" or "I want Trump impeached".

Try to actually think about it and tell us what you want for our country.

seems trumptard ignorance is the problem. *shrug*

and you probably shouldn't pretend to articulate what others' believe. especially when you're clueless.

 

[Chuz Life]

Oh . I don't consider a zygote a human being .

Of course you don't.

But they are.

So don't act surprised when you leftardz get dehumanized in much the same way that you dehumanize children in the womb.

You would kill a man begging for his life . But a zygote is murder ?

Wait. . .

So the difference to you is that you are bothered by the fact that you can hear or see one beg for their life and not the other. What about those of us who beg for their lives FOR them?

Tell you what sunshine... you can slaughter all the children in the womb that you want to... begging for their lives or not. Just afford to them the same fucking g presumption of innocence and the same fucking right to the due process of our laws that convicted felons are entitled to.

Deal?

 

[Redfish]

I find it comical that one of your Qs is "Do you want Shira Law ". Then the other is "Do you want to ban all religion ".

Those contradict each other .

the contradiction is in the liberal mind and liberal rhetoric. they want muslims to be able to practice sharia, but want to ban all other religious practices.

"Do you want Shira Law?" is an accusation in the form of a question derived from a talking point.

Loaded questions, all.

maybe, if so it should be easy for you to tell us your vision for our country. so tell us

 

[Redfish]

I have asked this before and never got a reasonable answer. Its a serious question, do not respond with talking points.

Tell us what you on the left see as your end game for our country.

Do you want a socialist state?
Do you want guaranteed income for every citizen?
Do you want government run medicine?
Do you want a media that only puts out what the government allows?
Do you want 65-70% income taxes like Europe?
Do you want to do away with police and the military?
Do you want Sharia law?
Do you want abortion on demand as birth control?
Do you want the government in every aspect of your life?
Do you want all history erased and replaced with government propaganda?
Do you want all religion banned?
Do you want free speech limited to government approved speech?
Do you want the constitution rewritten or cancelled?
Do you want California and New York to decide our national elections?


What exactly do you want this country to become?

and again, no talking points like "I want everyone to love each other" or "I want Trump impeached".

Try to actually think about it and tell us what you want for our country.

seems trumptard ignorance is the problem. *shrug*

and you probably shouldn't pretend to articulate what others' believe. especially when you're clueless.

then tell me where I'm wrong What do you want this country to become?

 

[BlindBoo]

I have asked this before and never got a reasonable answer. Its a serious question, do not respond with talking points.

Tell us what you on the left see as your end game for our country.

Do you want a socialist state?
Do you want guaranteed income for every citizen?
Do you want government run medicine?
Do you want a media that only puts out what the government allows?
Do you want 65-70% income taxes like Europe?
Do you want to do away with police and the military?
Do you want Sharia law?
Do you want abortion on demand as birth control?
Do you want the government in every aspect of your life?
Do you want all history erased and replaced with government propaganda?
Do you want all religion banned?
Do you want free speech limited to government approved speech?
Do you want the constitution rewritten or cancelled?
Do you want California and New York to decide our national elections?


What exactly do you want this country to become?

and again, no talking points like "I want everyone to love each other" or "I want Trump impeached".

Try to actually think about it and tell us what you want for our country.

seems trumptard ignorance is the problem. *shrug*

and you probably shouldn't pretend to articulate what others' believe. especially when you're clueless.

then tell me where I'm wrong What do you want this country to become?

What is the liberal view of America?

 

[Redfish]

I think Cato explains it best.

Cato's Mission

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

I have seen the Cato piece before. There are a couple of problems with it.

1. the so-called liberals of today do not believe any of what Cato describes as liberal
2.it assumes that somehow government can provide "economic opportunity to those who are "denied" it" without taking that same opportunity from someone who has "earned" it.

Equal opportunity is the number one tenet of conservatism. Equal Opportunity, not mandatory equal results.

 

[BlindBoo]

I think Cato explains it best.

Cato's Mission

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

I have seen the Cato piece before. There are a couple of problems with it.

1. the so-called liberals of today do not believe any of what Cato describes as liberal
2.it assumes that somehow government can provide "economic opportunity to those who are "denied" it" without taking that same opportunity from someone who has "earned" it.

Equal opportunity is the number one tenet of conservatism. Equal Opportunity, not mandatory equal results.

Hardly surprising I completely disagree. I think there are millions more "Cato" liberals than whoever the assholes are you describe with your "so-called" questions.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Q. What is the liberal view of America

A. We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America,

And,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Trump needs to understand this section, ^^^ which he seems to be ignoring!

 

[Kosh]

Q. What is the liberal view of America

A. We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America,

And,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Trump needs to understand this section, ^^^ which he seems to be ignoring!

As you far left drones keep proving that there are no real liberals anymore, you drones just hijacked that term.

No true liberal would support the tearing down of any statues just because you disagree with it!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Q. What is the liberal view of America

A. We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America,

And,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Trump needs to understand this section, ^^^ which he seems to be ignoring!

As you far left drones keep proving that there are no real liberals anymore, you drones just hijacked that term.

No true liberal would support the tearing down of any statues just because you disagree with it!

I don't support "tearing down" statutes, but they need to be relevant to their time. The history of slavery and the massive amount of death on both sides of the conflict by combat and disease.

Why don't we put statues of Benedict Arnold, Robert Hanssen or Edward Snowden on display?

 

[BlindBoo]

No true liberal would support the tearing down of any statues

That's true. Those crazies who destroyed those statues have been charged and rightfully so. Nor should liberals support death threats to the City Workers tasked with lawfully removing these statues and monuments for safe keeping until a more suitable place for them to be displayed can be found. Liberals should support democracy in action. Even if they vote to not remove any statue.