What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[martybegan]

Wrong.
The law of the land says that the third of the country purchased by the US from Mexico, shall continue to honor the Spanish land grants, not interfere with any business or commerce, shall not discriminate against any of the residents who choose not to become US citizens, etc.
So actually "open borders" are required by law.
There is no legal way to block access by anyone.
It is also obviously illegal to use troops trained in deadly warfare only, on civilians.
And the right to protest ICE is also protected because ICE clearly is in violation of the law and subject to arrest by anyone and everyone, for not following due process, which requires judicial hearings before any raid, arrest, deportation, etc. And even forced ID checks are totally illegal.

 

[Rawley]

The US military (not law enforcement) is being used to aggravate and incite violence in response to ICE’s brown shirt tactics.

ponder how you would feel of an unidentified armed soldier with no identification and no probable cause accosted you at Home Depot and demanded your papers?

Because that’s what you’re justifying.

And Trump has already claimed that he intends to use these tactics on US citizens.

Timmy's peeps

 

[Rigby5]

No federal government building has burned or been ransacked and graffitied... so I'd say it was a smart move by Trump.... it's totally legal for Trump to protect his people and our buildings with national guard and the Marines if necessary...

Wrong.
ICE is in violation of the law by not obtaining judicial warrants first, before doing anything.

 

[Rawley]

But those ICE raids were totally illegal because they did not obtain the required judicial warrants.

And you would support ICE and the FBI 100% if they had warrants?

 

[Rambunctious]

Wrong.
ICE is in violation of the law by not obtaining judicial warrants first, before doing anything.

No they are not... if you don't want ICE to exist call your congressman but they are doing their sworn duty to arrest illegal aliens and deport them....

 

[Rigby5]

I don't like Trump but he has the authority to call up the National Guard for shit like this.

I don't believe he has the authority to deploy Marines for riot control. . Active duty military can not be used to enforce domestic policy.

Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia

The state can use National Guard because as militia, they evade the Posse Comitatus Act.
But as soon as the feds call up the National Guard, they become soldiers, and no longer can be used on civilians, legally.

 

[IM2]

Trump admitted he can't call the NG unless a governor asks during the 2020 campaign.

 

[martybegan]

The state can use National Guard because as militia, they evade the Posse Comitatus Act.
But as soon as the feds call up the National Guard, they become soldiers, and no longer can be used on civilians, legally.

Nope, they assist in enforcing federal law.

 

[Rambunctious]

ICE is in violation of the law by not obtaining judicial warrants first, before doing anything.

Show us that law... it doesn't exist...

 

[Rigby5]

I agree with him.




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Its clear and simple, that ICE is illegal because they are not following due process to get judicial approval for any of the raid, arrests, deportations, etc. Even their ID checks are illegal.

 

[BackAgain]

Here are the thoughts of a former Federal prosecutor on the legal issues with Trump's actions in Los Angeles. Will Trump next turn his ICE thugs loose on the protests on June 14? And then claim he has to invoke Martial Law because of the reaction in most major cities in the US? Are you Trumpanzees going to support this move from Trump to become the first dictator to rule the US?

They aren’t ICE thugs you flaming dildo.

And the President has lawful authority to yell insurrection where state and local law enforcement can’t or won’t.

 

[BackAgain]

It’s clear and simple, that ICE is illegal because they are not following due process to get judicial approval for any of the raid, arrests, deportations, etc. Even their ID checks are illegal.

No part of your post is even close to accurate.

 

[Rambunctious]

Its clear and simple, that ICE is illegal because they are not following due process to get judicial approval for any of the raid, arrests, deportations, etc. Even their ID checks are illegal.

Show us the law they are in violation of dude....

 

[Rambunctious]

No part of your post is even close to accurate.

Rigby5 is making shit up...

 

[IM2]

This is what happens when you have a ***** president who is given power.

 

[IM2]

Rigby5 is making shit up...

 

[1srelluc]

Wrong.
The law of the land says that the third of the country purchased by the US from Mexico, shall continue to honor the Spanish land grants, not interfere with any business or commerce, shall not discriminate against any of the residents who choose not to become US citizens, etc.
So actually "open borders" are required by law.
There is no legal way to block access by anyone.
It is also obviously illegal to use troops trained in deadly warfare only, on civilians.
And the right to protest ICE is also protected because ICE clearly is in violation of the law and subject to arrest by anyone and everyone, for not following due process, which requires judicial hearings before any raid, arrest, deportation, etc. And even forced ID checks are totally illegal.

LOL....Says the guy from NM....Easily the most FUBAR of the border states. It's hardly possible but NM is even more retarded than CA.

In fact that's some real "sovereign citizen" BS right there.

 

[Rambunctious]

This is what happens when you have a ***** president who is given power.

Do you want a powerless president?....

 

[Rigby5]

Not when the State/local clowns refuse to enforce law and order.....That's part of the deal.

It is the state and local people who are sovereign and decide things like that.
If you read the treaties under which that third of the country was obtained, the US is not allowed to interfere at all with the Spanish Land Grants, their commerce, travel, etc., and no one in those states can be required to become US citizens or prevented from travel or occupation of their homes.

ICE is totally and completely illegal.

 

[BackAgain]

Rigby5 is making shit up...

It has to be a day ending in a “y.”