What is the legality of Trump's National Guard actions?

[OKTexas]

And?

What constitutes “ the test of reasonableness in this sort of situation is whether the police officer can point to specific and articulable facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts would lead a neutral magistrate on review to conclude that a man of reasonable caution would be warranted in believing that possible criminal behavior was at hand and that both an investigative stop and a frisk was required???????

Skin color? Standing in public?

ICE didn’t go there to stop any riots.

They were sent to terrorize the population and incite them.

Trump is looking for an excuse to become the dictator he always dreamed of being.

ICE didn’t go there to stop any riots.

You're right, they went there to arrest criminals.

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[OKTexas]

What other considerations could there be?
The raids, arrests, and deportation are harmful, therefore require judicial due process to ensure they are necessary and justified.
Like incorrectly sending innocents to mega prisons in El Salvador.

What other considerations could there be?

Try protecting federal facilities, personnel and other law enforcement.

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[OKTexas]

There is no law that requires anyone to be deported.
This country is almost all descendants of illegal immigrants.

8 USC 1227: Who Can Be Deported Under U.S. Law?

Explore how U.S. law defines deportability, detailing the legal grounds and implications for noncitizens facing removal.

legalclarity.org

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[Rigby5]

So you simply don’t know a thing about the law on immigration.

Just as we all thought.

You are flatly wrong.

https://immigrantjustice.org/sites/default/files/content-type/page/documents/2025-01/Castanon-Nava_training_slides_2025-01-16-english.pdf

More importantly, try reading the LAW:

8 U.S. Code § 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees

www.law.cornell.edu

Beyond that, stfu, sit down and allow your appalling ignorance to be corrected with facts, law and honesty.

Immigration has nothing to do with it.
The principles of law are that only judges can authorized harm, like confinement, lack of bail, guilt, punishment, deportation, etc.
That has to be obvious since you can't have low level ICE officers ruining people's lives.
They don't have the authority, training, impartiality, or legal knowledge.
Laws themselves often are wrong.
What counts more is the basic principles under which law can ever exist.

 

[Rigby5]

Bullshit. Legal immigration yes. Open border, nope. GTFO.

To compete with China we need much greater economy of scale.

 

[Rigby5]

Try protecting federal facilities, personnel and other law enforcement.

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Federal facilities, personnel, and other law enforcement are secondary to the well being of the general population.
You can't harm the general public in order to make things easier for law enforcement.
It would be better to just then have no law enforcement, if that meant things would be better for the general public.
You have your priorities backwards.

 

[Rigby5]

Why are leftists still questioning the legality of this troops deployment? All you need to know that it's perfectly legal for Trump to do this.

But it clearly is not "perfectly legal".
ICE is in violation of the law by ignoring the required due process before raids, arrests, and deportations.
ICE is violating DACA, Dream, anchor babies, and all sorts of laws preventing abuses for decades.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Federal facilities, personnel, and other law enforcement are secondary to the well being of the general population.
You can't harm the general public in order to make things easier for law enforcement.
It would be better to just then have no law enforcement, if that meant things would be better for the general public.
You have your priorities backwards.

I support no law enforcement. Vigilante groups would put an end to the invasion in short order. The police just protect the criminals anyway.

 

[Rigby5]

You're right, they went there to arrest criminals.

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But by violating the due process required by law, ICE caused the riots and the riots are justified.

 

[Rigby5]

I support no law enforcement. Vigilante groups would put an end to the invasion in short order. The police just protect the criminals anyway.

Vigilante groups have no problem with hard working immigrants and would not bother them.
What is good about vigilante groups is they are totally defensive, and would never be guilty of this sort of bureaucratic power trip.

 

[OKTexas]

Federal facilities, personnel, and other law enforcement are secondary to the well being of the general population.
You can't harm the general public in order to make things easier for law enforcement.
It would be better to just then have no law enforcement, if that meant things would be better for the general public.
You have your priorities backwards.

Once again you prove your ignorance, 80% of Americans agree with vigorous immigration enforcement against illegal aliens.

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[OKTexas]

But by violating the due process required by law, ICE caused the riots and the riots are justified.

Due process comes after the arrest, retard. They had warrants.

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[EvilCat Breath]

Viwegilante groups have no pleund 8n the desertm with hard working immigrants and would nothe bother them.
What is good about vigilante groups is they are totally defensive, and woud never be guilty of this sort of bureaucratic power trip.

That is a complete pipe dream. While groups don't shoot them, at least often, they will use horses and ATVs to scatter the groups in the desert. Run those invaders until they are good and lost. Shoot holes in the water barrels open and scatter whatever supplies are found.. another body is the desert oh well so sod.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The closest to being "vested with powers" is the ability to raise tax revenue.

They raise taxes, coin money, create treaties, and.....wait for it......provide for the common defense.

Once again, your ignorance is on display.

But that is civil responsibility and not really an empowerment of government.

That sentence makes no sense and you don't know history. The Constitution came about because of the articles of confederation and the no-teeth power they had (or didn't have as the case may be.

But John Jay is not one to believe verbatim since it seems he was fine with slavery.

How are the two connected? Please tell me.

You self righteous idiots who have no clue as to what people like James Monroe, Thomas Jefferson, and others gave you through their efforts. Your constant response.....they had slaves.

So what ?

Several races still enslave each other and themselves even in this country and you say nothing about it (being the cluess idiots that you are.

That quote from Jay was from federalist #2 and is an absolute cornerstone of government. If they have no power (as the articles showed) they are no government. You are sounding more and more like an anarchist all he time.

Not to mention being a lousy debater and a true moron.

{... John Jay himself purchased, owned, rented out .........................least 17 slaves during his lifetime. ...}

So what ?

He's still a better man than you, a smarter man than you, and made a bigger contribution than you.

and manumitted at least 17

Do you know what manumitted means? No. You don't. Look it up jerk-wad.

I do not mind the Founders being a little off since they were used to total royal dictatorships.

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Rigby5 is a high school dropout. Only someone that uneducated and stupid would say something as stupid as this.

But they were not experts on law, republics, or government in general.

He was a founder. They studies all kinds of history as they put together the Constitution and debated it. He was then the FIRST CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SCOTUS. He was then governor of New York.

What he knew about government compared to you is like putting a model rocket next to the Space Shuttle.

Stop wasting our time. You are just making stuff up and lying to prove some asinine point that still hasn't been articulated.

It pains me to see someone write the stupidity you have that demonstrates the lack of thought, the lack of knowledge and the lack of humility you display.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Using troops on civilians in order to enforce illegal searches, arrests, and deportations, most certainly is the start of an attempt to usurp the Government.

The riots in LA are more than justified.
Way more than the Boston Tea Party.

Stop wasting our time with your illogical statements.

You are a first-class moron (i.e. a great example of what a moron is and you practice the craft of being stupid to perfection).

 

[struth]

By violating the 4th and 5th amendments to the Bill of Rights, it is ICE who is guilty of insurrection.

How’s ICE doing that?

 

[struth]

How is it evil or immoral to provide jobs and tax their income?
Nothing remotely like slavery because that is unpaid and forced, while this is paid and voluntary.

It’s evil and immoral to exploit them

 

[struth]

Wrong.
Low paid but self employed work is vastly preferable to the awful jobs many people are forced to take.

That might be your opinion…and I certainly encourage people to go out and start their own small business doing something they enjoy…but illegals can’t do that

So you exploit them to hire them illegally, leaving them begging for crumbs while you pay them subpar wages under the table to clean your toilet

That immoral and evil

 

[struth]

What other considerations could there be?
The raids, arrests, and deportation are harmful, therefore require judicial due process to ensure they are necessary and justified.
Like incorrectly sending innocents to mega prisons in El Salvador.

There actually is not a requirement under the law for judicial review in every deportation case. The constitution gave exclusive power to Congress to regulate it and they have, if you lion to Clinton’s immigration law and many before it, they have allowed art 2 courts to review and in many cases simply an official at State to make the review

Not all due process requires art 3 courts

The reality and what’s been exposed the past few months is many dembots have no clue what the laws are, or what due process even means

 

[TimFitz]

Of course we are not going to agree

All I can tell you is we are going to do it our way for as long as we can

Because facists will be facists. Particularly if they can persecute minorities and enflame the already flagrant racism of the supporters of facism.